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Since we are off season, thought I would start a topic other than baseball related.

When my husband and I were first married (decades ago Eek) we were teachers making a combined income of 14K. My husband at that time was basically a young frustrated artist trying to break into the artistic world as all young artist strive to do. Roll Eyes He worked with metal, welded steel and pottery. On a whim, one summer, we set up our garage as a working artists studio on a busy main street (zoned for business) and opened it to the public. Since we had so many people drop in, the next thing you know he had orders for work and to keep myself busy I added plants and antiques to our little garage store. What started as a summer artists working gallery became a full time business.

The nursery where we bought our plants gave us an opportunity to sell trees at Christmas. On a good night, we made about 200 dollars and I think the first year we brought in 1600 dollars in just a week. Did we feel RICH! We had so much fun during that time (we did it for a few years)and when it snowed, people seemed to spend more money on a tree than when it didn't snow so we brought our prices up during snow nights. Smile We felt so crafty with that idea!

This time of year, living in Florida I find myself remembering how much fun it was to be up north during the holidays. It is not the same here and never will be. It's hard to think about the holiday season when it's 80 degrees outside! Cool

Eventually we became parents and life got a bit more complicated and so did the holidays.

We talk so much about our kids here, our kids help to define who we are and how we view life so I learn alot about people here. I like to think that I was a person before they came along. I know many of you only through your children and bb experiences.

I got this idea from iitg when he recently posted about himself. I really enjoyed that story.

So maybe we can take a break and in this thread, not talk about our kids or baseball, maybe something about yourselves that brings fond memories during this season without baseball or kids! Wink

Have fun!
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TPM, I like your memories. I got some too but like most people some are good and some are not so good. I think back as a child and remember mostly the bad things. I remember the nine kids in a four room tarpaper house with no plumbing, no closets, coon dogs and fleas, cornbread and white beans, a part time father ---- nothing to look forward to but those four rooms with a coal burning stove in one corner of the living room. We were cold in the winter and hot in the summer. The front porch was our gathering place on summer nights and the stove was the center of our life in the winters. We were VERY poor and in an odd way that made Christmas time extra special. That was the only time of year we would get a toy. Our tree was one we would go to the woods and cut. The tinsel and icicles were removed each year and used over and over. On birthdays we got no presents so the toys at Christmas were very special to us kids.
Baseball/softball was just a game that we played at school although a brother and I did play little league for 2 years. I remember working in the hay fields and hoeing corn for .25 cents an hour --- $2 a day! That was a lot of money to me. I graduated from HS in 1963 and my goal in life was to leave the poverty I had been raised in behind ----- I wanted to leave West Virginia for good as fast as I could. I hitchhiked to Phoenix and worked as a bricklayer’s laborer for a year. I joined the Navy and became an electronic technicians flying as an air crewman and operating Electronic Countermeasures equipment. I was stationed in San Diego CA, Whidbey Island, WA, Corpus Christi TX, Memphis, TN, Sangley Point Philippines and Tan Son Nhut, Viet Nam. I played baseball for the naval air station in Memphis. I married a girl from Memphis while in the Navy and after my four year obligation was over we settled in Memphis and I worked for her father who owned a truck line. He also owned a service station and I managed his service station for a year too. I knew I didn’t want to work on the truck line dock all my life or pump gas and change oil in trucks so I put on a suit and tie and convinced IBM I would make a good customer engineer (technician). I worked a total of 15 years for IBM in Tennessee, Washington State, Arkansas and Mississippi but was forced to quit IBM after a big gun fight at a party in Mississippi where one of my co-workers shot and wounded another man. Unemployed I rejoined my father-in-law’s trucking firm in Memphis and managed the truck maintenance dept. With my marriage on shaky grounds and a divorce imminent, I was forced to again change jobs and ended up driving a tractor trailer from Memphis to Los Angeles. I met and married my current wife, IBM realized I had done no wrong at the shoot out and gave me my job back. I stayed with IBM for a few years and decided to control my own destiny and started my own business competing with IBM in Memphis. I expanded my operation to three offices in three cities and within a few years I moved to Jackson TN. --- I sold my business this past year to a large corporation and today I do whatever -------Baseball??? Let me say that I always liked baseball but along the way I had my youngest son that loved baseball ---- out of necessity I learned to long toss, soft toss, hit fungos and become a fan of the game.
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After reading Fungo's post does anyone have trouble understanding why baseball is just a game?

I lived in southern California for twenty-two years after growing up in New England. I grew up with Christmas being a season. In California it was a day. I always hoped for blustery weather on Christmas. I didn't like it being hot and sunny on Christmas.

As a kid Christmas was about grandma's house. I stayed for the week and got spoiled. The best "all you can eat" involved Grandma's chocolate chip cookies. Grandmothers are cool. They don't worry about proper diet for a week. We once had ice cream sundaes for lunch. She chauffered me around all day on the 26th to spend every last dime I got for Christmas. I remember one year spending all day on the 26th finding all the special race track parts for the new Aurora race car set I received one Christmas (uncle is a NASCAR official). Grandma called it "fancy track." It was the crossovers and loops.

My grandmother would sleep at the top of the stairs on a cot Christmas Eve. There was not going to be any sneaking downstairs. Every year I was turned in by the darn creaking stairs in the old house. I never made it more than halfway down the stairs. But I tried every year. Stupid me, doing the same thing every year and expecting a different result.

One year I was sure I was getting a ten speed. I had to know. There was no waiting until morning. I bolted down the stairs, flipped on the light, got excited and then surrendered to a glaring grandmother standing with her hands on her hips in the living room entry way.

Spring vacation was like Christmas too. I could count on my grandmother buying box seats to every Red Sox game all week. The Sox are always home during Patriot's Day week. It's the week of the Boston Marathon.

Classic grandma line/story: My grandparents rented at a resort on the lake for decades. My kids became the fourth generation. After my grandfather passed she decided to return one more time so four generations could be there at the same time. My generation and my grandmother's generation are not alike. They were more alcohol related in their entertainment. We do more athletic things. At Sunday brunch on the beach my 93yo grandmother ambles up with her bottle to place with the others. She asked why there weren't any other bottles. In her mind it was time for Sunday brunch style drinks. We didn't drink during the day. We wanted to waterski as soon as brunch settled. My 93yo grandmother gave us a good stare of disgust and said, "Your generation doesn't know how to party."

I can still hear my grandmother saying hello as I enter the house like it was the best surprise in the world, no matter how often I was there.
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Fungo, the beginning of my story could very much resemble yours with the exception that my dad was around. We didn't have much but each other. I've told the story before here about chilli and how that is a family tradition at Chrismas since it is what my Mom and Dad could afford for a Christmas meal. At Thanksgiving, my Dad reminised about everything that had happened and he feels bad about what I had to do as a child. I try to convince him that everything I have and am is because of him and those times. My Wife has heard all of those stories but never from him and my child really got to know her Grandpa and Dad this Thanksgiving from those stories. I look at my life now and can't believe I've been so blessed. No one would have guess back then that I'd be where I am now. I have a great kid, loving Wife and get to be a part of the best profession in the world. I'm a teacher! I got after a young lady the other day in basketball practice and so when basketball practice was over, I apologized to her for yelling. She replied, "That's ok Coach Butler, I still love you." I was choked up for some time.

I'll finish with this. I felt chest pains the other day sitting in class and was scared enough to call for the school nurse. When she got down there, she joked about if it were the "big one" she'd have to let me go. I remarked to her that if so, I'd die the happiest man on this earth.

(PS, don't worry it was stress related and everything is fine. I take my job too serious sometimes.)
I’ve found these stories tremendously interesting to read and although mine will be boring I think, I’ll take a stab at it in hopes that others will also contribute.

I recently researched my family tree. Very fun and I would suggest anyone do the same if they have the time.

I learned that my father’s family comes from a long line of farmers in Virginia (I knew the Virginia part already). My grandmother used to say we were related to Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, but I haven’t found the proof of that (yet). One grandfather was an apple orchard farmer and later a mailman, the other a weaver. My parents were both the first generation in their families to attend college. My mother’s family immigrated from Germany and I haven’t been able to get too far back on that side. But on my father’s side, it was kind of interesting that these families resided in the back country for hundreds of years with no real education (my great-grandfather couldn’t sign his draft card…just made an “X” mark…I’ve seen a copy of it). It appears they were cash poor and land rich. It also appears they were eventually driven out of the farmland and into the towns/cities by the Great Depression…they needed to find work.

Both my parents attended college…my father to Va. Tech (although he was told by a HS teacher that he'd never amount to anything and that he was wasting his time) and eventually to Stanford for his PhD in engineering. Big Grin My mother attended a small Catholic college in Maryland that is now closed. They got married during my father's senior year in college and had me (their 1st child) while at Stanford. I have some great photos they took from that era. They were dirt poor at that time. Yep, we had the "Charlie Brown" Christmas tree. Smile

After grad. school at Stanford, they returned to Blacksburg where my father taught engineering at Va. Tech. He once won the most prestigious teaching award at the university. These were the best years of my childhood…small town, snowy winters, hot but comfortable summers in the mountains. Walked to school nearly every day. Summers were spent camping…I used to think everyone’s father had the summer off to do fun things.

We eventually moved to Cincinnati (age 10 for me) where my father taught at the Univ. of Cincinnati. Neil Armstrong came onboard there shortly after and became friends with my dad. He used to come to our house for dinner or cookouts and he was a really nice guy…his autobiography briefly mentions my father. My mother eventually taught there as well. She used to tutor football and basketball players there who were struggling and once had a nice article written about her and a basketball player in the Chicago Tribune.

Cincinnati is where I fell in love with baseball with the Big Red Machine of the 70s (I was in HS and then college). During college I used the co-op program to work 1/2 year and attend school the other half, putting me on the 5-year plan. I had my father for classes three separate times in college...he was the best teacher I ever had but I was sure scared the first time! I co-oped in California where I met my beautiful wife who was doing the same from Univ. of New Mexico. We got married 6 days after I graduated from college and together moved back to California where we worked and attended graduate school.

We had our first son 11 months later. I never, ever saw my father so happy as when he got to hold his first grandson (our 1st son). He was a great dad, but I saw a side of him then that I had never seen before. Unfortunately, my father died suddenly about a year and a half later and never saw another grandchild born. My mother lived another 20+ years and got to see all of her grandchildren born and one (ours) graduate from college…but she too passed earlier this year (today would have been her birthday). Very devastating for all of us. Both of my parents have endowed scholarships named after them at the college they last taught (Univ. of Cincinnati and Thomas More College in KY). My own proudest moment professionally was when I got to deliver the annual 'memorial technical seminar' at UC that is given each year in my father's honor. My mother, wife and kids were all there and I felt all goose-pimply doing it.

We had 5 other kids (4 boys and 2 girls total) and they are the center of our life. One is out of college now (and living and working on his own! YEAH!), #2 (baseball player) is almost out, #3 just started this Fall. #4 is a freshman in HS. Daughters are in Jr. HS and Elementary school.

To my knowledge, we have never been poor, but never wealthy either. My parents had enough money to do fun things (ballgames, camping, etc…), but we never had anything poured down on us. My wife and I started with about $500 to our name (our parents would’ve helped, but we wanted to go it on our own). We got a credit card and used it to buy groceries until we got our first paycheck. But shortly after that we were in decent shape financially and have been ever since. Certainly not wealthy, but able to do fun things and pay for college for our kids. We’re able to make roadtrips with our son’s college team when we really want too, but we’ve had to give up other family vacations to do so.

I’ve worked at the same place (NASA) for 27+ years and hope to retire in 7 or 8 years. I’d like to sell our house then and move either to the mountains or back to the Midwest. Photography is probably my most passionate hobby. I love taking photos of my kids playing sports or just goofing off.

I really like the way I was raised and have tried to pass that parenting on to my own kids. I’ve blown it a few times and so have they, but overall things are pretty good and it would be hard to ask for much more.

Lastly, I should say that my wife is probably the only woman who should have or could have ever married me. She loves the things I do and puts up with my grumpy moods...but tells me when I'm full of c.r.a.p when I deserve to be told. To me, she’s a saint! Our kids are tremendously lucky to have her as their mother. I am very lucky to have her as my wife as well.
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Amazingly, my story is not too different from many of yours, with only a few exceptions. I was born in Columbia, Mississippi in the late 40's. My parents were married. I was the second child in a family of 4 children. We owned our own home, right across the street from my Mother's mother,who was the matriarch of the family. My father's Mother was part Indian, my fathers father was part White. Being raised in the 50's and 60's in Mississippi, I wish I could tell you that I was not subjected to racism. But it would be a lie. I never went to school with White children. And, yes, as I have mentioned before I was called the N-word while growing up. Yet, I am not bitter. I have overcome all of that.

In order for my father to find a decent job during the 30's in Mississippi, he had to go to the Northeast. He ended up in Farrell, PA working for Sharon Steel Mill for about 40 years. The strange part about it was that my Mom and Dad chose to leave my Mom and the childen in Columbia during the winter and then Dad would come down and load us up in the family car (Dad always had nice cars)and take us to Farrell for the Summer. In August, he'd load us up again and bring us back to Columbia for school. While we knew that Dad was taking good care of us financially, my brother and I suffered in other areas. Our Dad was a man of many skills. He was a master carpenter. He could do plumbing. He could fix cars. My brother and I know very little about those skills. Even today, if there is something more complex than tightening something around the house, I have to hire someone to do it.

One memory that sticks out about my childhood is the death of our Mother. We had gone to school that morning, I was around 14, and Mom wasn't up yet. That was a little strange. But in my rush to be on time for school, I didn't think much of it. Around 9:00 that morning, someone came to get me out of class to tell me that Mom was dead. Of course, I didn't believe them because, after all, it was April 1st, April Fool's Day. Well, it was April Fool's Day AND Mom had died in her sleep. That was an awful day for me.

Dad rushed home from Farrell. We buried Mom and the plan was for my two sisters to move in with our Grandmother across the street and my brother and I would stay in our house under the supervision of our grandmother. Then in May Dad would come and pick us up and we would live with him until we all graduated from school. Evidently, someone forgot to check with my Grandmother. When August came, my Grandmother demanded that we be returned to Columbia. My Father gave in and we were returned to Columbia where we stayed until we graduated from high School. My wife and I married right out of high school. We went on to graduate from Jackson State University. Moved to the Atlanta Metro area and have made a pretty decent living while raising and educating three kids, two girls and a boy. All three children are college graduates. Life has been good. My wife and I celebrated our 42nd Wedding Anniversary on Thanksgiving Day.
Wow, good stuff. I only got into a nice short memory.

I come from an engineering family. My father was also an engineer. His father was the same (as is my brother). Dad grew up in Pittsfield Mass, began school at Yale then to Ohio State, but I recently found out he finished school at Tri State College in Angola, as he had joined the the Air Force and needed to finish his degree. There he met my mom. She is from outside of Detroit and grew up on a farm. My grandfather (who I never knew) killed himself during the depression (after WW1)so she was unable to go to college. She worked at USO functions as a hostess and that is where they met. They would dance until morning together and got married thinking my dad would go overseas.

They always told us those were some of the greatest times in their marriage. After my dad finished school and then the US into WW2 he was sent to Brownsville Texas to work on a secret engineering project. My mom always complained that someone was following her when she left the base. Later they found out he was on the team that built the B52 that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. That memory was one he lived everyday all of his life. After that he became employed by Westinghouse in New Jersey and then left to begin his own distributorship in heating and air conditioning.

My dad's business boomed in the early sixties when people began migrating to the suburbs outside of Newark,NJ. We lived a comfortable life, not spoiled. My parents traveled a lot for business but when they came back they took us everywhere and it always had to be educational, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg, Philadelphia. I now know why I had a facination for US history and it was my best subject. Big Grin One year my dad came home to announce he bought a boat, and although my mom just rolled her eyes, those years were the best memories I have. We traveled everywhere on boats from Maine to the Bahamas. My favorite place was Nantucket. We spent winter vacations in fort lauderdale on the boat and lived down on the jersey shore in summers on the boat. Next to our boat was a huge houseboat and the men who came there on the weekends told us they were astronaunts in training and we laughed. They took us fishing and taught us to catch crabs on the docks. My dad would talk about planes and the air force with them. Later we realized one of them was John Glenn. JBB's story of Neil Armstrong brought back that memory.

My dad retired very early and they came to Florida. We followed in 1976 after selling our little home with the garage. Frown When my dad reached mid 60's he began to act very strange, by 72 he had a full blown case of Alzhiemer's. It was probably the most difficult time in my life because in the beginning no one had a clue of what was going on. A very intelligent charming man changed before our eyes. He passed on 12 years ago, my mom has a companion she has been with for 10 years and at 82, she still dances! Actually, she has a busier social life than I do!

My greatest gift I gave to my folks were my kids, first my daughter then 9 years later DK. My son is the spitting image of my dad and has the same problems my dad had, monkey arms, no jacket or long sleeve shirt comes to his wrists, he just gives up and pulls up the sleeves. My dad first became ill when Dave was young, so the baseball games he attended didn't mean much at that point. I would take him out to lunch a few times a week to give my mom a break and he would tell everyone he met that his SON was a baseball player for the yankees (his team). He kept DK's Khorey league card of his first season (8) in his pocket and showed everyone with pride as if he was a MLB star. It was very touching. My daughter was the love of his life though, they spent hours together before he became ill.

I hope that he is watching, he would be so proud of both of them!
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My greatest gift I gave to my folks were my kids...


But I have to admit I'm not quite ready to be on the receiving end of it just yet. Big Grin


I am, daughter just turned 31! Her clock is ticking and so is ours!

However, we are living vicariously through our granddog. Big Grin
Wow, what stories!!

When my parents were growing up they were very poor.
They came from very hard working families where everyone had to pitch in to put food on the table. My dad had to quit school in 6th grade to go to work. He is the oldest of 11 siblings. His dad, my G'pa was a very interesting man. He was a Shawnee Indian. He was a boxer and for a while made a living traveling with carnivals as the strong man... Inviting anyone and everyone at the carnival to take him on in the ring...you beat him, you win money. He never lost. Someone in Al Capones gang saw him and offered him a job. He moved to Chicago to work for Mr. Capone, and needless to say, he found trouble and spent some time in the pen. When he got out, my grandma gave him an ultimatum, come home now, or never come home. He went home and worked for the railroad until retirement.
Although my dad had a limited education, he has become a very accomplished businesss man. He worked all the time, and I didn't know my dad very well as a youth, we are now very close.
My two older brothers and sister did not go to college, in fact, no one in my entire family tree had ever been to college. I wanted to go to college, my dad didn't want any part if it "college is for rich spoiled kids" he would say. My mother took up my cause and they fought and fought and fought. What ya know, the next year I was in college, the first in my whole family. When I graduated my Dad was so proud, he just gushed with pride. It made me feel good. Now, my younger brother didn't have a choice...According to my dad, HE WAS GOING TO COLLEGE! My dad now has 3 grandchildren that have graduated college, 2 in college now and several more to come. Not to be outdone; my mom, after not working for 30 yrs, at the age of 50 she enrolled in college to get an Assoc. degree. She ended up getting her masters. She has now been a psycholist for 15 years. Kind of cool!
I met my wife in college, we will celebrate our 20th this year. She holds the fort down for 3 boys and a husband that still acts like he is 15. She is the nucleous of my family, and the boys and I love her the most!
I thought about this a bit but what the heck---we are all baring our souls and at my age does it really matter?

As a youth we had spit to work with but with my Dad in the Army, he was a PE and College Professor who taught the young'ns how to build bridges--- because of his being staioned in Ohio in the 40's I got to see an Ohio State football game before I was 5 years old--great vivid memory

By the time I was LL age he was in the Construction Business with his brother and money was better--NO-we were never poverty stricken. We had no LL in our town when I was 11 so he formed a team and we played teams from the area---we had no uniforms, no name, minimal equipment but now a load of memories


he aslso took me to Giants/Dodgers games every year--one at the Polo Grounds and the other at Ebbets Field

The following year they brought LL to our town which already had a semi pro team and a stadium with lights--- now we had LL and I had ex pro players as coaches--one of whom had played for the Dodgers in their minor league system and played with Chuck Connors and Jackie Robinson at Montreal.


But I had a major Problem which I to this day thank my parents, God Rest their souls as I lost them within 6 months in 2006. I ended up having meningitis 7 times between the ages of 11 and 21, and surviving. I recall the trips thru red lights as we sped to the emergency rooms of various hospitals. BUT I STILL PLAYED BASEBALL !!!


At 21 we found a MD who knew a bit about what was going on with me medically--- perhaps Mom and Dad helped me grow up quickly because in 1963 brain surgery was mostly experimental---this Doc we found said he could cure me and after sitting with my parents the decision was mine to make as I was 21 and legal age---I guess this is when I truly became a man---I said "lets go"--- here we are in 2007 and I am still here and loving the game---they are both gone---as most of you know I lost both of them within 6 months in 2006

But the memories are to me very differnet than most-- my dad and I were business partners for some 30 years-- I truly think what I went thru as a child built a special bond--he allowed me to venture into the music business while working with him, even giving me a two year sabbatical to make it work.

My parents gave me life, gave me love and gave me the freedom to be myself and I had the gift from God to be with them as they passed at home. We spent the final days talking of our lives, me and them and then being able to hold them as they passed.

Interestingly one of the things that brought my Dad from his alzheinmers doldrums was talking baseball with me

And I would be remiss not to mention my wife who is assisting me thru my disability years , yes the menigitis sieges and surgery are now taking hold--I have seizures from time to time due to the damage from the youthful episodes

SPECIAL MEMORIES are important but don't get me wrong--I am not looking for sympathy---I have lived a great life, done things others have not, and am still here while I am able to be involved with my first love the game of baseball


THANK YOU GOD FOR EVERTHING and the bottom line my parents were the greatest
Like Fungo, I grew up in Appalacia (NW Pa) but my parents were not as poor but of lower middle class. One thing I have learned in life is that you can always find someone who is worse off than you were and thus there is usually something to be thankful for. My father grew up on a farm and had seven brothers and sisters. My mother had eight brothers and sisters and her family had less than what Fungo described. I have many cousins on both sides that have enriched my life.

My great grandparents emigrated from Russia just before the Bolshevik revolution. My great grandmother was Orthodox Catholic and her father was a highly educated bishop in the Orthodox church. I believe my great grandfather was Jewish and being of mixed faith, they found life untennable in Russia. They came through Ellis Island and were determined to make a new life here in America. They lived in NYC for a time before moving to Youngstown Ohio where my great grandfather found work in the steel mills. Tragically, he caught pneumonia in his early 20's and died leaving his widow with four infant children - one of them being my grandfather. My great grandmother could speak five languages and eventually remarried to a widower who also had four children. In those days, the ethnic community looked out for one another. Thus, if someone became a widow or an orphan, someone in the community would see to it that the family was cared for.

Shortly thereafter, four other children lost both their parents within 6 months of each other and this ethnic couple who already had eight children of their own took them in thus giving them a family of 12. Talk about sacrifice for the good of the community. My grandmother was from one of these four orphaned children brought into the family. Bascially, my grandparents grew up together as children because of rather tragic circumstances and eventually married. One interesting thing was that although all the kids could speak Russian and it was understood, it was forbidden to be spoken in the home. They felt they were in America and only English was now acceptible.

All my grandparents like many of yours have been dead for many years now. My grandmother was the most influential person in my life and the reason is simple - she believed in me.

My Dad is the hardest working guy I have ever known and my Mom is the most organized. She taught me how to solve any problem by creating lists for me as a kid. Everyday before she went to work, she would leave me a list of chores/tasks to be done before she got home. My Dad was often grumpy because he worked in a foundry but I learned if the lawn was mowed or the driveway was shoveled before he got home that would put him in a good mood.

My main goals in high school were like many young men today and that was to meet the young girls. School was a lower priority and that was a mistake because I had the ability to do well in school.

I went to a techinical school for electronics after high school for two years. Electronics it was felt would support my budding career as a rock musician. Funny thing happened and I got a job working with MRI before anyone knew what MRI was. I found I liked the complexities offered in the electronics field. After a year or two, I started back to night school and spent the next 10 years earning an Electrical Engineering degree at night while raising three young children and working full time. In 1994 at the age of 34, I went to Law School. I graduated law school at age of 38 and have been a patent attorney ever since. We represent the most famous companies in the world and it is indeed high reward yet with equally high stress.

I have learned that it is never too late to get an education and that you can make up for mistakes in your youth. I have tried to pass on to my kids however it is better not to make the mistakes in the first place.

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