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meachrm,
Some good stuff here, others not so much?
This means they are in training regression and should not compete, Long tossing at this time does nothing for you if you stop this activity for some amount of time before actual competition. Better to long toss to gain your ballistic portion of your interval training program 6 weeks before actual competition and maintain your lifts at half the reps and weight and better to perform your ballistic portion off the mound instead of long tossing.
This is absolutely inadequate when dealing with motor skill acquisition! Learn to throw 6 pitches!, 3 that move to the ball arm side of the plate and 3 that move to the glove arm side of the plate and learn them all at the same time and put as much work into each one, very important motor tenet. Learn to pronate all of them and each one takes the same amount of time!
This is great advice but it should be performed year round and in competition if you have the 6 moving pitches.
This is bad advise, batters miss by deception high and low the same way as in and out, fastballs are much harder to hit up than down, breaking pitches are much tougher to hit down. Mixing in elevation is very important.
Really, you have got to be kidding me here! Out of control learning is what it is, all these discoveries should be learned under control! When you discover the ball moves in certain ways because of axis presentation the guy playing catch with you should not be subject to taking one on the chin because of you playing around. These things are best learned under logistical control not playing around.
Year round running is good if done “sport specifically” as in sprints on turf and sprints on dirt if you also bat well. The best way to prevent Ham string pulls is vary from walk to jog to trot to run to sprint and then back the other way while running poles.
If you teach injurious mechanics this swelling will still persist and there is no Lactic acid produced from pitching where the maximal effort is 1 tenth of a second with a 20 second rest between pitches. This is a myth that has already been debunked scientifically. Run to get fit, that’s it.
Some good stuff here, others not so much?
quote:“Build velocity slowly. Many high school (and above) pitchers have been spending time lifting and possibly long-tossing since games ended in the Summer or Fall”
This means they are in training regression and should not compete, Long tossing at this time does nothing for you if you stop this activity for some amount of time before actual competition. Better to long toss to gain your ballistic portion of your interval training program 6 weeks before actual competition and maintain your lifts at half the reps and weight and better to perform your ballistic portion off the mound instead of long tossing.
quote:“One pitch at a time. Master command with the fastball before practicing another pitch.”
This is absolutely inadequate when dealing with motor skill acquisition! Learn to throw 6 pitches!, 3 that move to the ball arm side of the plate and 3 that move to the glove arm side of the plate and learn them all at the same time and put as much work into each one, very important motor tenet. Learn to pronate all of them and each one takes the same amount of time!
quote:Throw to the center. Early on, aim for the center of the plate.
This is great advice but it should be performed year round and in competition if you have the 6 moving pitches.
quote:“Shoot for the knees. focus on only throwing at the knees. When practicing, any pitch that ends up above the knees should be viewed as a bad pitch. Be a perfectionist when pitching down in the zone”
This is bad advise, batters miss by deception high and low the same way as in and out, fastballs are much harder to hit up than down, breaking pitches are much tougher to hit down. Mixing in elevation is very important.
quote:“Schedule time to play around. Playing around and goofing off are not the same thing. "Goofing off" means wasting time. "Playing around" means scheduling time to tinker with different pitch grips on all your pitches. This is what many major league pitchers do while playing catch. Who knows, you might just stumble across a good sinker or a nasty new out-pitch.”
Really, you have got to be kidding me here! Out of control learning is what it is, all these discoveries should be learned under control! When you discover the ball moves in certain ways because of axis presentation the guy playing catch with you should not be subject to taking one on the chin because of you playing around. These things are best learned under logistical control not playing around.
quote:“Get out your running shoes. An off-season running program certainly does not end when you start throwing again.”
Year round running is good if done “sport specifically” as in sprints on turf and sprints on dirt if you also bat well. The best way to prevent Ham string pulls is vary from walk to jog to trot to run to sprint and then back the other way while running poles.
quote:“ It actually becomes more important to get into the habit of running after you throw in order to clean out the swelling and lactic acid that builds up after throwing.”
If you teach injurious mechanics this swelling will still persist and there is no Lactic acid produced from pitching where the maximal effort is 1 tenth of a second with a 20 second rest between pitches. This is a myth that has already been debunked scientifically. Run to get fit, that’s it.
quote:" “Shoot for the knees. focus on only throwing at the knees. When practicing, any pitch that ends up above the knees should be viewed as a bad pitch. Be a perfectionist when pitching down in the zone”
This is bad advise, batters miss by deception high and low the same way as in and out, fastballs are much harder to hit up than down, breaking pitches are much tougher to hit down. Mixing in elevation is very important.
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I have to disagree with you on this one. It's nearly always better to miss down than up, (with the exception of a fastball at the shoulders) and you should always aim for around the knees when pitching. Keeping the ball down results in more roll-overs or ground balls, and is more efficient when trying to get outs.
quote:“Schedule time to play around. Playing around and goofing off are not the same thing. "Goofing off" means wasting time. "Playing around" means scheduling time to tinker with different pitch grips on all your pitches. This is what many major league pitchers do while playing catch. Who knows, you might just stumble across a good sinker or a nasty new out-pitch.”
Really, you have got to be kidding me here! Out of control learning is what it is, all these discoveries should be learned under control! When you discover the ball moves in certain ways because of axis presentation the guy playing catch with you should not be subject to taking one on the chin because of you playing around. These things are best learned under logistical control not playing around. "
If all pitchers took your advice and never played around with different grips, many of them would never have made their way into the bigs. And as for it being "dangerous" for the person your throwing with, i cant think of a single guy who would throw max effort playing catch. Any capable baseball player would be able to handle whats being thrown at them.
yard, I hope you return from the dark side one day. 
Actually some of what Yard preaches has some truth.
As far as following his throwing advice you will not hurt yourself, but you won't pitch at a very high level. You certainly can make a good HS pitcher and maybe a low level college program, certainly a mens league, but not beyond this.
As far as following his throwing advice you will not hurt yourself, but you won't pitch at a very high level. You certainly can make a good HS pitcher and maybe a low level college program, certainly a mens league, but not beyond this.
Nw Knights07,
I must agree that what you have been taught is by most everywhere, that you must stay at the knees but in light of what most batting coaches are now teaching that an all rotational swing should be used with its bow loop initial start leading to bow loop contact and that swinging up through the ball (Upstein) is preferable this at knee strategy is more likely to make this rotational mechanic more successful.
It is preferable not to miss, coaching preferable misses leads to more misses.
I believe rolling over is the result of batters not timing hip rotation correctly and not elevation of the ball and ground ball are a result of upwardly directing the bat path.
You would have to had weighed each equally to get fair results and conclusions, if your pitches are always at the knees and you have been taught traditional dogma you have not done this, giving you your final conclusions. I have found that mixing in high to low and in and out with equal amount of movement to both sides gives the optimum deception.
Not in the least! They would learn how the ball actually moves by learning axis presentation in bull pens while their receiver knows what to expect. We test grips continually and prefer known grips but tell the pitchers if they like a particular grip that they feel works better to use theirs.
Only 1.5 percent of all minor leaguers make it to the bigs!!!! Now calculate the chances of making it to the bigs with players below the MILB?
Mariano has one pitch with one grip.
I prefer all below the bigs to be successful while they are playing and the way I explained that pitchers should experiment with grips and pitches is the correct way IMO.
The slower the ball the more it moves! I want to know when my catch partner is throwing a screwball when the previous throw was a cutter, that’s all I’m saying.
Do not forget you are at HSBW not Big LeagueBW like many do.
Sultanofswat,
I appreciate your concern but I’m an old dog that taught along with the traditional teach for 30 years but has now seen the light and learned new tricks that work better and safer.
Why would I go back to the darkness I have left behind, it would be unethical to return to the injurious methods when I know the truth?
BOF
I don’t believe anything that I preach has any lies, you don’t ever claim in any particular specific instance that I do, you only tearjerk about Marshall personally, why would you then make false assertions about Dr.Marshall and his clients playing levels when he was not mentioned and with regularity.
I have been using Dr.Marshall’s tenets for 12 years now and have had many recruited in D1 and below and drafted (2 first rounders last year) also producing many records for strikeouts and other categories making your claim look pretty foolish as usual.
quote:“I have to disagree with you on this one.”
I must agree that what you have been taught is by most everywhere, that you must stay at the knees but in light of what most batting coaches are now teaching that an all rotational swing should be used with its bow loop initial start leading to bow loop contact and that swinging up through the ball (Upstein) is preferable this at knee strategy is more likely to make this rotational mechanic more successful.
quote:“It's nearly always better to miss down than up”
It is preferable not to miss, coaching preferable misses leads to more misses.
quote:“Keeping the ball down results in more roll-overs or ground balls”
I believe rolling over is the result of batters not timing hip rotation correctly and not elevation of the ball and ground ball are a result of upwardly directing the bat path.
quote:“more efficient when trying to get outs”
You would have to had weighed each equally to get fair results and conclusions, if your pitches are always at the knees and you have been taught traditional dogma you have not done this, giving you your final conclusions. I have found that mixing in high to low and in and out with equal amount of movement to both sides gives the optimum deception.
quote:“If all pitchers took your advice and never played around with different grips”
Not in the least! They would learn how the ball actually moves by learning axis presentation in bull pens while their receiver knows what to expect. We test grips continually and prefer known grips but tell the pitchers if they like a particular grip that they feel works better to use theirs.
quote:“many of them would never have made their way into the bigs”
Only 1.5 percent of all minor leaguers make it to the bigs!!!! Now calculate the chances of making it to the bigs with players below the MILB?
Mariano has one pitch with one grip.
I prefer all below the bigs to be successful while they are playing and the way I explained that pitchers should experiment with grips and pitches is the correct way IMO.
quote:“And as for it being "dangerous" for the person your throwing with, I cant think of a single guy who would throw max effort playing catch.
The slower the ball the more it moves! I want to know when my catch partner is throwing a screwball when the previous throw was a cutter, that’s all I’m saying.
quote:“Any capable baseball player would be able to handle whats being thrown at them.”
Do not forget you are at HSBW not Big LeagueBW like many do.
Sultanofswat,
quote:“yard, I hope you return from the dark side one day”
I appreciate your concern but I’m an old dog that taught along with the traditional teach for 30 years but has now seen the light and learned new tricks that work better and safer.
Why would I go back to the darkness I have left behind, it would be unethical to return to the injurious methods when I know the truth?
BOF
quote:“Actually some of what Yard preaches has some truth”
I don’t believe anything that I preach has any lies, you don’t ever claim in any particular specific instance that I do, you only tearjerk about Marshall personally, why would you then make false assertions about Dr.Marshall and his clients playing levels when he was not mentioned and with regularity.
I have been using Dr.Marshall’s tenets for 12 years now and have had many recruited in D1 and below and drafted (2 first rounders last year) also producing many records for strikeouts and other categories making your claim look pretty foolish as usual.
Low is good for most pitchers. There are certainly times when elevating off low pitches can be very effective. That doesn't mean there aren't low ball hitters but low pitches especially with a bit of sink will tend to produce more ground balls. Ask Roy Halladay.
