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D Dtiger1,000+ posts
I'll tell you, that kid is I (grammar experts... that is the correct usage). Jesuit has tried to enforce a 6 1/2 min mile. Although I've improved my mile consistently since being at Jesuit, my closest time was 6min 59seconds... they've let me play. It frustrates me that I can't do it, but it's just exactly that... I don't have the lung capacity. I do my best and I refuse to not do every exercise the entire team does even if I finish towards the back. I'm not meant to be a long distance runner, and despite what people say, a mile for me is long distance.
Old PitcherOld Pitcher1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Dtiger:
I'll tell you, that kid is I (grammar experts... that is the correct usage). Jesuit has tried to enforce a 6 1/2 min mile. Although I've improved my mile consistently since being at Jesuit, my closest time was 6min 59seconds... they've let me play. It frustrates me that I can't do it, but it's just exactly that... I don't have the lung capacity. I do my best and I refuse to not do every exercise the entire team does even if I finish towards the back. I'm not meant to be a long distance runner, and despite what people say, a mile for me is long distance.


Kyle,

Please be careful.....no 6 1/2 minute mile is ever as important as you are. Pace yourself and don't try to be a hero out there. It's just not worth it. You have a wonderful future!
F funneldrill1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by reggie-3-77:
FD

Do you encourage your pitchers to take 30 to 60 days off each fall to let their arms recover? Dr. Conway strongly encouraged 2 pitchers from our Select team to stop throwing completely for 60 days, and then start up in the October timeframe to get ready for next season. Your thoughts!!


Dr. Conway worked on my shoulder a few years ago and told me the same thing. I usually stop the bullpens around the 1st of November and we start up after we get back from Christmas break.

We also cut back on long toss about that time of year to for everybody. Instead of 3 times a week, we will do it 1-2 times a week.

Our fall bullpens are low stress. No more than 30 pitches and command/mechanics, not velocity, are stressed.

As for the 6.5 minute mile, there is no "baseball value" to it. I used to work for Skip Bertman during the summers at his camps. His running test was 2 miles under 14 minutes or 1 mile under 6. When I asked him why he did that and what baseball value it had, he replied "well...no baseball value to it! Just want to see if the kids are going push themselves to accomplish it." I asked, so you are using it as a motivational tool? He said, "yep, one of many!"
JG John G.100+ posts
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Originally posted by Old Pitcher:
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Originally posted by John G.:
OP.. Why would you take advice (second hand at least)??? Not knowing the circumstances of the individual players, and thier arm conditions/ injuries,ect...
I think you need to ask yourself a few things before you promote what effectively is heresay. IMO...


What on earth are you talking about? I just said that if a surgeon the likes of Dr. Conway told me something, I would take it to the bank.


OP didn't mean to offend you, or start the thread that followed... I was a little short on my explaination. If I told you Dr. Conway said a 12 Y.O. should throw 200 pitches per day. would you take that as gospel? (or believe me)what about a 13 or 14 Y.O.????? My point being. It is merely hearsay and should be treated that way. Not to pick on you but I see a lot of "jumping to conclusions" around baseball and this forum.(have caught myself doing too)
I ijustwannaplayMember
John G. First of all Dr. Conway would not tell any kid to throw 200 pitches a day and I know whatever he says might not be always right but taking from what I have heard from other individuals and major league players and also from my personal experiences with Dr. Conway I along with most people would listen to a man of that profession on the advice that he gives because he has seen a lot and I’m willing to bet he knows what he is talking about.
Old PitcherOld Pitcher1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by John G.:
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Originally posted by Old Pitcher:
quote:
Originally posted by John G.:
OP.. Why would you take advice (second hand at least)??? Not knowing the circumstances of the individual players, and thier arm conditions/ injuries,ect...
I think you need to ask yourself a few things before you promote what effectively is heresay. IMO...


What on earth are you talking about? I just said that if a surgeon the likes of Dr. Conway told me something, I would take it to the bank.


OP didn't mean to offend you, or start the thread that followed... I was a little short on my explaination. If I told you Dr. Conway said a 12 Y.O. should throw 200 pitches per day. would you take that as gospel? (or believe me)what about a 13 or 14 Y.O.????? My point being. It is merely hearsay and should be treated that way. Not to pick on you but I see a lot of "jumping to conclusions" around baseball and this forum.(have caught myself doing too)


John,

I see your point now. You are saying that a person telling you something Dr. Conway said as gospel as opposed to Dr. Conway telling you first hand. Thanks for the clarification. That's what you mean, right?!
JG John G.100+ posts
OP... correct!

Iwannaplay...I understand that any advice from someone of Dr.Conways reputation should be considered good solid advice. However, when someone from this forum is giving advice useing someone elses reputation it may or may not be correct. Thats my point...IMO...There tends to be an above average amount of jumping to conclusions, rumors, and hearsay associated with youth baseball and "advice".
R reggie-3-77100+ posts
Originally posted by reggie-3-77:
FD

Do you encourage your pitchers to take 30 to 60 days off each fall to let their arms recover? Dr. Conway strongly encouraged 2 pitchers from our Select team to stop throwing completely for 60 days, and then start up in the October timeframe to get ready for next season. Your thoughts!!


Dr. Conway worked on my shoulder a few years ago and told me the same thing. I usually stop the bullpens around the 1st of November and we start up after we get back from Christmas break.

We also cut back on long toss about that time of year to for everybody. Instead of 3 times a week, we will do it 1-2 times a week.

Our fall bullpens are low stress. No more than 30 pitches and command/mechanics, not velocity, are stressed.

As for the 6.5 minute mile, there is no "baseball value" to it. I used to work for Skip Bertman during the summers at his camps. His running test was 2 miles under 14 minutes or 1 mile under 6. When I asked him why he did that and what baseball value it had, he replied "well...no baseball value to it! Just want to see if the kids are going push themselves to accomplish it." I asked, so you are using it as a motivational tool? He said, "yep, one of many!"

First of all, whether Dr Conway or Dr Evil said it is not really the point, the comment was made to see if coaches or parents advocate their pitchers taking 30 to 60 days off in the fall with out throwing or if they continue to throw / pitch year round. In the opinion of the person who advised it, players should take time off. What is the consensus of the individuals who participate in these discussions like funneldrill.
F funneldrill1,000+ posts
I think 30 days is a good idea. With me, it usually means the month of December, weather is pretty ****** anyway.

When we come back from Christmas break, I work under the assumption that NO ONE has done any throwing so we work them back in easy that first week. With the THSBCA convention at the end of the 2nd week back, we'll start throwing pens (indoor if necessary) beginning the 3rd week.
swingdoctor14swingdoctor14500+ posts
Funnell,
I agree with Skip concerning the 6 minute mile. The sole purpose of it, is to develop a team sense of accomplishment and teach guys they can do something they feel is impossible. When they run a 8:45 the first day of off-season, you can see it in their eyes that they feel this task will never happen. Week 10, when players who have made it opt out of On the Field BP, to go to the track instead and pace a team mate so he can make it and join them on the field the next friday ~ Well I don't know how much more Baseball Related you can get than that. Ex players have returned for years and their first question is always "Are they still running that mile?" I felt it always gave us an edge over our opponents on just guts alone. We also had a little saying when times got tough "So What!"
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Old PitcherOld Pitcher1,000+ posts
The very first day of spring training practice when I played way back when, we had to run a 6 minute mile. If we didn't, we ran one the next day...and so on, and so on, until we did it.

That's all you would think about all winter while you were running to get in shape. I dreaded it, but it made me do more than I probably would have had we not had to do it.
swingdoctor14swingdoctor14500+ posts
Here's some names but I do not know who's name goes with what face:

Meg Johnson ~ Earnest Lowe ~ Henry Stephenson ~ Pete Goodman ~ Frank Fusenwater ~ Buck Weaver ~ Frost Poe ~ Woody Lowe ~ Joe White ~ Henson Lowe ~ Frank Blackburn

Thats off the back of a 1910-1912 team picture and all the faces match the photo above. I'm getting some clues now as to who this "Fan Club" poster might be now that I know he or she even has a picture such as this in their possesion.

Back in those days they weren't HS teams they were community teams. These guys look 25-30+
Old PitcherOld Pitcher1,000+ posts
That coach looks kinda like Changeup! Is that him?

Check out that catcher's equipment by the guy on the bottom row, 2nd from the right. Can you imagine having to catch someone throwing in the 90's with that catcher's mitt?

I wonder if the guy to the right of the catcher guy got ragged on for all that hair and for wearing his hat like that!! He would fit in most high school teams today, 97 years later!!

WOW! Thanks for the pic CTFC, it's awesome!
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