Ohio high school rules

As a high school coach this is just dumb.  As for the non-school team working out, trying out and not playing I mostly agree with (mainly the playing) but there shouldn't be a rule for it.  As for the rest I just truly wonder if they have anybody in the association who knows baseball and probably other sports.

Hard to believe a HS coach would be ok with it.  So you'd be ok with teaching your player the way you want him to do things on Friday afternoon at practice then having him go to travel workouts on Saturday and have some other coach try to tell him differently.  Seems like when he comes back to you on Monday and is doing things differently than you want that there could be issues.

The ID camp/showcase part of the rule isn't an issue....colleges are in season now too, nobody is runnings camps/showcases this time of year anyway.

Glad we don't live in Ohio.  The schools doesn't own you...you aren't being paid. Some coaches aren't good or don't run good programs.  Some hs coaches put kids in positions they don't play for summer, they should be able to get work at their summer spots on their own time if they want to.   If you want to do a showcase or try out for a team I cannot understand why that is an issue either.  I think its one thing to say, I prefer you don't do outside lessons as it is a confusing message to players but I rule that makes you ineligible.  I think that is crazy.

Keep in mind, these rules are only "in-season" meaning beginning Feb 19th (first practice) until your team loses it's last tourney game, which for a lot of teams is somewhere around May 10th, so you're only talking 3 months.  You can do whatever you want with whoever you want thru Feb 18th.  Also, rule doesn't apply to going to an outside instructor, as long as it's not a "team" practice/tryout/workout.  Again, there aren't showcases during the season because colleges are also in-season...I don't think giving your HS coach 3 months is too much to ask.  My son played 4 years of HS baseball...he did winter workouts & showcases/camps, did the school thing for 3 months then went on to summer ball.  Didn't affect his chances of getting to college at all...actually HS season was kind of "a break" compared to the rest of the year...so it was probably a good thing

So a kid shows high level skills and is asked by an MLB scout to attend a workout during the HS season and can’t until 3 weeks before the draft?

FFXfireman posted:

So a kid shows high level skills and is asked by an MLB scout to attend a workout during the HS season and can’t until 3 weeks before the draft?

In most cases the scout is watching him at the HS games if it is in season. There are few players if they have the skills to be a professional that are on a MLB scouts radar as late as his senior spring season. A scout has plenty of opportunity the summer before his senior year or up until Feb 18th of his senior year to have him work out. 

Scouts work within the various local HS rules. Son's pre-draft workouts were pretty close to the draft (within three weeks of draft day). 

That’s very interesting and must work if it’s the law of the land in Ohio. Thanks for the info!

Buckeye 2015 posted:

Hard to believe a HS coach would be ok with it.  So you'd be ok with teaching your player the way you want him to do things on Friday afternoon at practice then having him go to travel workouts on Saturday and have some other coach try to tell him differently.  Seems like when he comes back to you on Monday and is doing things differently than you want that there could be issues.

The ID camp/showcase part of the rule isn't an issue....colleges are in season now too, nobody is runnings camps/showcases this time of year anyway.

If I'm teaching something during the week and the player is getting something very different on the weekend I'm going out on a limb and guess that one of us is VERY VERY VERY wrong in what we are teaching.  That is a much bigger problem than them getting extra work.  What I've discovered is there's not a lot of difference in what I teach versus what outside organizations teach.  There may be some different vocabulary or slight differences in how a drill is ran.  They will adjust easily if they have talent and can think baseball.

When I was in Kentucky my guys started going to this place about 45 minutes away in another town to get work.  They tried to keep it a secret from me because they thought I was going to be mad.  I finally told them I didn't care as long as whoever they go to is reputable and knows what they are doing.  They all said what they did at that place was almost exactly what we did in our practices and work outs.

I was working with my catcher last week and pulled out the white paint to work on the T drill that catchers do.  He said he loved that drill and after a few minutes we were on the same page on describing teaching points (there's not a lot of pages in that book BTW).  But then I showed him an aspect of the drill that I came up with that was for inside and outside the frame pitches.  This took a little longer since he had never done it but once he got it down he said he was going to take it back to the guys he gets help from.

I would hate to be the coach that is so insecure they don't want their guys to get more work.  I wouldn't want the responsibility of being THE guy to develop a kid to get to the next level because I don't have all the answers.  But if me and other people can pseudo work together and help a kid that's exciting and I want to be part of that.  

Rules are often made for specific reasons. Many states adhere to the  same.

You all should be happy that someone is watching over your players, this especially for pitchers.

coach2709 posted:

Buckeye 2015 posted:

Hard to believe a HS coach would be ok with it.  So you'd be ok with teaching your player the way you want him to do things on Friday afternoon at practice then having him go to travel workouts on Saturday and have some other coach try to tell him differently.  Seems like when he comes back to you on Monday and is doing things differently than you want that there could be issues.

The ID camp/showcase part of the rule isn't an issue....colleges are in season now too, nobody is runnings camps/showcases this time of year anyway.

If I'm teaching something during the week and the player is getting something very different on the weekend I'm going out on a limb and guess that one of us is VERY VERY VERY wrong in what we are teaching.  That is a much bigger problem than them getting extra work.  What I've discovered is there's not a lot of difference in what I teach versus what outside organizations teach.  There may be some different vocabulary or slight differences in how a drill is ran.  They will adjust easily if they have talent and can think baseball.

When I was in Kentucky my guys started going to this place about 45 minutes away in another town to get work.  They tried to keep it a secret from me because they thought I was going to be mad.  I finally told them I didn't care as long as whoever they go to is reputable and knows what they are doing.  They all said what they did at that place was almost exactly what we did in our practices and work outs.

I was working with my catcher last week and pulled out the white paint to work on the T drill that catchers do.  He said he loved that drill and after a few minutes we were on the same page on describing teaching points (there's not a lot of pages in that book BTW).  But then I showed him an aspect of the drill that I came up with that was for inside and outside the frame pitches.  This took a little longer since he had never done it but once he got it down he said he was going to take it back to the guys he gets help from.

I would hate to be the coach that is so insecure they don't want their guys to get more work.  I wouldn't want the responsibility of being THE guy to develop a kid to get to the next level because I don't have all the answers.  But if me and other people can pseudo work together and help a kid that's exciting and I want to be part of that.  

I have never seen a HS program do as much work as the truly baseball dedicated and driven players need. For example, my son would come home and take a hundred more swings off a tee most days after practice (and he wasn't good enough to hit in college). Personally, I'd rather have a hitting coach watching than no one. With pitchers, it's a workload issue. No offense to dedicated educators who also take on the extra burden of coaching, but for the players making it to the next level(s) EXPERT coaching is needed which can only be found outside the team - so long as it doesn't interfere with the practices and season. 

Expanding upon the point above, it's pretty presumptuous that a coach would feel that he is a master of all skills and should welcome any help he gets in support of the team goal and help in developing the potential of each of his players. 

Ultimately, the PLAYER is responsible for developing his game and his goals. Some programs simply don't have the resources to take kids to college or prolevels. 

Buckeye 2015 posted:

Keep in mind, these rules are only "in-season" meaning beginning Feb 19th (first practice) until your team loses it's last tourney game, which for a lot of teams is somewhere around May 10th, so you're only talking 3 months.  You can do whatever you want with whoever you want thru Feb 18th.  Also, rule doesn't apply to going to an outside instructor, as long as it's not a "team" practice/tryout/workout.  Again, there aren't showcases during the season because colleges are also in-season...I don't think giving your HS coach 3 months is too much to ask.  My son played 4 years of HS baseball...he did winter workouts & showcases/camps, did the school thing for 3 months then went on to summer ball.  Didn't affect his chances of getting to college at all...actually HS season was kind of "a break" compared to the rest of the year...so it was probably a good thing

Maybe I am missing something but this is exactly my understanding.  Nothing says you can't take instruction or workout in a gym, hit the cages. 

And as Buckeye says, camps, showcases, tryouts usually occur after HS season ends.

Someone please explain what the issue is?