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Last night on Twitter I posted something to the effect of "Come on NCAA! Baseball is not a winter sport!  High of 40 in NC is not ideal.  These kids are tough.  But they deserve better!"

 

That lead to some back & forth dialogue with some of my followers.  One comment mentioned how great it is for southern schools to host the northern schools for 4 or 5 days.  

 

My response was about concern about these players missing so much class for early trips.  Spring break is still a month away.

 

He responded that "Most programs have stable situations where in class is not required.  In 10 years, 50% of college programs will be online."

 

I frankly don't believe that any substantial percentage of college baseball players are taking online classes.  We can debate what it will be like in 10 years.

 

I'm curious to hear from parents of current players how many online vs in class course your kid is currently enrolled in.

 

Thanks

 

Rich

www.PlayInSchool.com

www.twitter.com/PlayInSchool

 

 

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Son is a redshirt junior. Through one summer and a school year at his first school and three years at his current school, he has had zero classes that didn't meet in person in the traditional setting until this semester when he has an internship for 3 hours of credit that he reports to an off-campus site for.

 

He is able to arrange things such that he has no Thursday afternoon or Friday classes, so road trips do not interfere with class.

This is D3 mind you so the experience is not exactly the same. Most of the D3 up north just tough out the weather except for the spring trip.

When my son was going through recruiting several of the schools told him he would not have classes Friday 12:00 pm. to save time for practice in the Fall and travel and practice in the spring. 

 

Take a look at Augustana's schedule. It looks like they take a flight to Florida Come back for a weekend game in Illinois and then fly back down to Florida for a weekend. 

 

http://www.athletics.augustana...x?path=baseball&

 

 

My son has 2 of his 5 classes this spring as online classes. Both are writing classes. He is doing them in his mandatory study tables for most part is what he is telling me.

My older son when he went to college took probably one online class a semester his last 2 years there. I think it takes discipline. I was not one to barely get to traditional classes way back when, I SO would not have done well with online

My son missed three days of school last week to attend the opening tournament.  His college offers zero on-line courses.  He spent most of his off-time during the weekend doing homework that was sent on-line from his professors.  He also will have to take courses in the summer to be able to stay on track with prerequisites needed for his pre-med classes. 

Rich,

 

You know my kids so I'll share our experience with the group.

 

Both oldest sons are engineering majors.  Oldest son (private high academic) had zero online courses while playing baseball for 4 years.  Middle son (public ACC school) knows many baseball players and regular students at his school take online classes during the regular semester.  Middle son is not a varsity baseball player but online courses are offered and he took a class over winter break (4 weeks accelerated).  He has taken a couple others during the regular semester.  His winter session class was streamed, recorded, and the professors are very accessible for conversations and questions.  Winter session exams were proctored at either community colleges or Pearson testing centers.  He had to be at the school for the final winter session exam.  

 

I agree with your friend.  In 10 years, 50% of college programs will be online.  No doubt in my mind.  If the content and teaching methods are sound then who cares what the delivery method is?  Most corporate training and education is done online.  There are significant pressures on higher education and state budgets.  The success of the University of Phoenix and Liberty University are prime examples of distance learning and online courses.  About 10 years ago, I was in a meeting at UNC Chapel Hill with their CIO.  He was addressing his staff and business partners at the time.  He told us that their biggest competition was not 9 miles down the road (referring to Duke) but the University of Phoenix and their non-brick and mortar business model.  He went on demonstrate his findings and financial projections about how they have to change the way they deliver education.  IMHO he was spot on. 

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Originally Posted by Overthehill:

My son missed three days of school last week to attend the opening tournament.  His college offers zero on-line courses.  He spent most of his off-time during the weekend doing homework that was sent on-line from his professors.  He also will have to take courses in the summer to be able to stay on track with prerequisites needed for his pre-med classes. 

That's just the way it is, its not easy trying to juggle both at the same time. it takes a very special person to figure it all out.

 

 

Originally Posted by fenwaysouth:

 

I agree with your friend.  In 10 years, 50% of college programs will be online.  No doubt in my mind.  If the content and teaching methods are sound then who cares what the delivery method is?  Most corporate training and education is done online.  There are significant pressures on higher education and state budgets.  The success of the University of Phoenix and Liberty University are prime examples of distance learning and online courses.  About 10 years ago, I was in a meeting at UNC Chapel Hill with their CIO.  He was addressing his staff and business partners at the time.  He told us that their biggest competition was not 9 miles down the road (referring to Duke) but the University of Phoenix and their non-brick and mortar business model.  He went on demonstrate his findings and financial projections about how they have to change the way they deliver education.  IMHO he was spot on. 

 

fenway,

I have nothing but high regard for your opinions and almost always agree with them, but I'm having a hard time with this one.  I won't challenge the 50% number, but I think there's a huge difference between corporate training and college, and an equally huge difference between University of Phoenix and Duke, etc.  The way education is delivered makes a huge difference in learning - instructor/student interaction, peer discussions, etc all play into a quality learning experience.  While programs like Phoenix may be huge commercial successes, I would challenge that the students fare as well relative to traditional ranked universities.  I guess if a student wants to "check the box" on the degree it does the job, but as a key stepping stone/building block in a career I don't think it's in the same league.

There is a difference between a student getting his degree at a school like Phoenix and a student or student-athlete taking online courses at the university they attend.

 

My son is a sophomore at a JUCO.  He took one online course his second semester.  Last summer he played summer ball about 3 hours from campus.  He took 2 online classes, and had to make arrangements with a local university to take mid terms and finals, since they had to be watched, or whatever.  He took another online class over Christmas break.  Of his 5 classes this semester, 4 are online.  He has to take 1 or 2 classes this semester to get his associates degree and both will be online.  All these online classes are "taught" by teachers who also teach in the normal class room setting.  A lot of his teammates do this. My son's degree will be the same as students who took all classes in a class room.   I remember hearing about Johnny Manziel having to take classes online because of the distraction he causes.  

 

I would think it would be easier for teachers.  Set up the template once, and use it over and over until you have to make changes here and there.

 

It reminds me of when I used to pay all bills by writing a check, placing in an envelope, adding a stamp, and mailing it.  It seemed so stupid to pay bills online.  Now that I have certain bills set up to pay online every month, it's tons easier to do it that way.

In his final quarter before graduation, ours has 1 of 3 classes online.  Its a writing class.  He is an Econ major with good grades.  Over his 4 years, he has taken 1-3 of his classes online each year. He attends a highly regarded academic school in the Northwest (D1).

 

I don't quite know how it works (better or worse than 'my day'), but I know even prestigious engineering programs are now offering some courses online.

 

As one example, we employ a young lady who just completed her MS in Systems Engineering, all online, from USC this past December.  She is as good of an engineer as we have...recently having been awarded our federal agency's 'Aeronautics High Potentials Engineer.'  She was the only winner last year.

 

10 years ago, heck 3 or 4 years ago I woulda sneered at online courses.  Not anymore.  It seems to work for this generation and I believe it will become more prevalent.

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Originally Posted by Smitty28:
 

fenway,

I have nothing but high regard for your opinions and almost always agree with them, but I'm having a hard time with this one.  I won't challenge the 50% number, but I think there's a huge difference between corporate training and college, and an equally huge difference between University of Phoenix and Duke, etc.  The way education is delivered makes a huge difference in learning - instructor/student interaction, peer discussions, etc all play into a quality learning experience.  While programs like Phoenix may be huge commercial successes, I would challenge that the students fare as well relative to traditional ranked universities.  I guess if a student wants to "check the box" on the degree it does the job, but as a key stepping stone/building block in a career I don't think it's in the same league.

Smitty - Thanks.  I think the UNC Chapel Hill CIO was pointing out the business model (10 years ago)  of online learning/distance education not necessarily the Univ of Phoenix specifically.  Obviously Univ of Phoenix pioneered this segment, and the CIO wanted to use them as an example.  He was making a point that delivering education is going to change, and I agree with him.   Will there always be brick and mortar education, absolutely.  Is it a good idea for brick and mortar education to consider new ways to deliver their education more conveniently, efficiently and cost effectively, absolutely IMHO.  I'm seeing this already with my middle son who attends a large public University.  He's taken a couple non-core classes and one core class (winter session) online.  He's knows all the baseball players at his school, and knows some of them take the online courses for various reasons.  We've all seen the numbers about the growing cost on education over the last 30+ years.   Education is one of two industries most ripe for new business models.  Again, JMO.

My sister in law took her masters online with Rutgers.  Many graduate degrees can be done online because most people are working, and that is why online classes are popular these days, we live in a different world than we did even 5 years ago. People do work and this offers an alternative in place of community college education as well.

 

U of Phoenix set the table for many online schools to follow, however many have been exposed as over priced and the instructors not well qualified. I applied for one of these so called online schools for a job,  my position would be in sales, to call back inquiries and then qualify them if they were able to pay the fees or needed "financing" even before they were accepted to the program. Be careful and research these smaller programs.

I turned down the position.

 

The schools that I was most impressed with were the ones where the athletic advisors told us they worked tirelessly to get the players into classes so that they did not miss that much in spring, and fit around practice  schedules in the fall. I dont think son missed many classes and if so it had to be pre approved.I dont think he had any of friday, but then again many programs make the players take heavy fall schedules and lighter in spring and some in summer. Make sure that this is understood before he commits  to a particular program and ask about online courses offered (they usually are more so I have been told). Son was told in advance that the engineering program wasnt going to work (for him) with the bb schedule. They were right.

Son is planning to re enroll and take online classes this summer, when many online courses are offered.

What floors me is the basketball schedules, these kids play in a different place every night, how do they attend the required classes? Anyone know how that works?

 

 

My daughter has an online course as a senior and it is tough.  She has had a paper every other day due and they are not insignificant.  She has also taken two other online courses.  For her, she hates online courses and finds that the workload doubles.  Naturally, the gain is that during softball season, she doesn't have to be in class and can get her homework done on the road.  Last week they were in Tucson, Az and this week, at Bentonville, Arkansas.  From there, the team is headed to Chicago to play indoor.  They will be on the road for the majority of their games this year.  If the impression is that online courses are patty cake courses, then that is far from the truth.

While many Universities are developing proprietary online courses, there is at least one independent organization that is developing online courses, offered free or a little charge, that are accepted for course credit by participating schools.  I looked at Coursera some time ago and they have developed largely first year level courses which quite a few Universities have agreed to accept for credit.  These may be an option for basaball players during the summer before heading off to college for the first time in order to bank a few hours. 

 

In the long term, it looks like a lot of basic courses will migrate to online where a student can effectively finish year #1 without stepping foot on campus and without having to pay any tuition.  These may not have a lot of interaction with the instructor, but sitting in English 101 at 8:00am listening to some graduate assistant doesn't seem to hold much fascination either.

This may take this thread sideways a bit...

 

If I've learned 1 thing in life it is you get what you pay for.  

 

I wouldn't touch a free web based class.  I never once had a course taught by a TA at William & Mary.  Not 1.  Every class was taught by professionals.

 

If a kid just wants to play baseball and is uninterested in all that college is... the full experience, why don't they just play in an adult league?

 

Rich

www.PlayInSchool.com

I'll add to the thread drift.

 

The current college model - in which middle class families face ever increasing costs (whether public school or private) which are bordering on crushing - needs to change. One potential disruptor of the current model is the on-line course.  

 

While much of the critics of on-line offerings are coming from those who feel that their jobs are threatened (just like all other technological disruptions throughout history), I think there are two central obstacles which much be overcome before the current four year college model can be changed: quality of the courses and jobs.

 

The on-line offerings of companies such as Coursera are not the on-line offerings available five years ago. So much better, deeper, and better organized now. (I have taken literally dozens of these courses - not at the depth of a true college class; for me, I treat the offerings as an on-demand Discovery Channel. But, others can take the same classes to the same depth as any college class - and do. The message boards can get very spirited and detailed; even local study groups can be found; TAs respond to questions (professors too occasionally); the large class size and diversity of the class (both in geography and background) can really add depth to many classes (for example, in a class in World History a "classmate" from Iran went out and photographed the ruins of an ancient "Silk Road" way station and posted it for everyone.)

 

i have found some some fabulous lecturers on Coursera (and some really poor ones also). In general, I find the quality of the lecturer is generational - the older the professor, the more stilted and boring (not universally, just generally). Conversely, the younger the professor, the more adept at using this new medium. (A great on-line class is not as easy as setting up the camera and filming the lecturer; it requires use of all sorts of new technology to keep the viewer engaged.) i have taken classes from professors from Cal Tech, Duke, Columbia, Princeton, Hebrew University, Tel Aviv University, Tokyo, Maryland, Stanford, and more. The material offered from great lecturers equaled or even exceeded what I received in my college classes (a century ago). So, my point is that the quality of the material offered in many Coursera classes is equal to that offered in person. (For those that criticize on-line classes based upon the professors inability to actually read and react to his audience, I say that a lecturer speaking in person in a 300 person class doesn't read or react to his audience either - it doesn't matter whether the lecturer is a TA or a full prof. Indeed, one of the worst lecturers, imo, was Peter Schiller of Yale.)

 

Fimding employers willing to enthusiastically accept on-line learning as a total substitute for in class learning is evolving. Some major employers (e.g., I believe Google and AT&T are two examples) have announced support for this type of learning, so the trend is just beginning on the job acceptance front. 

 

As as one poster noted, if a kid can get his General classes done on-line while living at home, this would save a middle class family tens of thousands of dollars. Moreover, a university where freshmen don't set foot on campus, could actually expand their student population size in the remaining three classes and expand their revenue base without a proportional increase in overhead - a win-win for the school and the families. (For athletes, this would need to be modified because they need to be on campus as freshmen. So, for athletes, on-line learning would evolve differently from the regular student body.)

 

There are several emerging models in the marketplace; college is evolving and we'll see which model will gain traction. At least there are ideas out there which could reduce the economic burden of college for many families.

 

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