You are correct.
If we were only in the lowly NL!
Right now without a doubt it is a Sox Town. When was the last time you heard a casual fan talking about the Cubs?
quote:Originally posted by FastballDad:
Right now without a doubt it is a Sox Town. When was the last time you heard a casual fan talking about the Cubs?
The last time I spoke with a Cub fan. IMO, when spring rolls around the buzz will be about the Cubs with a new manager, new coaching staff and new players. This is first and foremost a Bears town and then the line is drawn.
Very sad that this is a Bears town.
Bidwell and Daly $crewed that one up in the late 50's.
It created a lot of Packer fans and a lot of bear haters....which the McCaskey family deserves.
It looks like they may have something going if the 5'10 qb keeps seeing 8 man fronts and playing against lousy teams.
We'll find out this week.
Interesting after all the denial's from cubdom last year, that with 1 Championship season it's a Sox town again....which is as it should be.
Bidwell and Daly $crewed that one up in the late 50's.
It created a lot of Packer fans and a lot of bear haters....which the McCaskey family deserves.
It looks like they may have something going if the 5'10 qb keeps seeing 8 man fronts and playing against lousy teams.
We'll find out this week.
Interesting after all the denial's from cubdom last year, that with 1 Championship season it's a Sox town again....which is as it should be.
Pardon me Soxnole, but this is a "Sox town again" is a myth in your mind and it looks like FBD has caught the same illness. They're the big story now as they should be. They're the defending World Champions about to be booted out of the playoff hunt the following year. They have accumulated some "street cred" based on last year, but it is disappearing as we speak. You've no doubt picked up some fair weather fans or bandwagon jumpers, but they'll "be gone" by next season. Cub fans are forever, like it or not.
Hey, I think you guys should all just bury that hatchet and jump upon that bandwagon called the St. Louis Cardinals! 
After all, they are still in first place in the worst division in baseball.
After all, they are still in first place in the worst division in baseball.
My comments were regarding baseball. It was the combination of the sox winning and the Cubs having one of their worst seasons ever that has left the sox as the preferred team here in the Chicago area. The Cubs have looked so inept no one cares about them unless you are a baseball fan. My belief is that most people are casual fans and will go with the winning team. If the sox stumble again next year and the Cubs improve, it will change fast and the Cubs will rule Chicago again. Better ballpark + better or clsoe team = Cubs town again.
rosy...
I know that you and I represent the real fan in town.
Having said that, you have made my point which I have been trying to get across for a looooong time.
Most fans are fair weather....cub, Sox, bears, Dolphins (especially Dolphins)...doesn't matter which team were talking about.
The cubbies gained constant momentum for about 20 years because of the fair weather fan and BS about wrigley.
As Beenthere has pointed out, wrigley is regularly filled with, imo, about 50% real fans, 20% tourists, 15% casual and 15% because it has been "the place to be seen.
Comiskey is a little different. My take is 65% real, 5% tourist and 30% casual.
Your comment about a "better ballpark" is laughable.
Whether it is the player's or fans talking, that myth is ending.
From parking to comfort to food to the actual playing field, wrigley loses. There have been a plethora of articles written and TV news reports in this vein and the momentum is building.
The simple fact that you don't want to believe is that the Sox are a perrenial contender now and the cubs can't even see the light at the end of lower wacker!
Funny as it is to Sox fans and sad to say for y'all....the Bartman issue....and Alou's reaction, echoed by cubdom, was the beginning of the end for the cubs as a contender and wrigley's false reputation.
I know that you and I represent the real fan in town.
Having said that, you have made my point which I have been trying to get across for a looooong time.
Most fans are fair weather....cub, Sox, bears, Dolphins (especially Dolphins)...doesn't matter which team were talking about.
The cubbies gained constant momentum for about 20 years because of the fair weather fan and BS about wrigley.
As Beenthere has pointed out, wrigley is regularly filled with, imo, about 50% real fans, 20% tourists, 15% casual and 15% because it has been "the place to be seen.
Comiskey is a little different. My take is 65% real, 5% tourist and 30% casual.
Your comment about a "better ballpark" is laughable.
Whether it is the player's or fans talking, that myth is ending.
From parking to comfort to food to the actual playing field, wrigley loses. There have been a plethora of articles written and TV news reports in this vein and the momentum is building.
The simple fact that you don't want to believe is that the Sox are a perrenial contender now and the cubs can't even see the light at the end of lower wacker!
Funny as it is to Sox fans and sad to say for y'all....the Bartman issue....and Alou's reaction, echoed by cubdom, was the beginning of the end for the cubs as a contender and wrigley's false reputation.
I'll take Comiskey every time. Love the park, team, food, usually the team intensity(maybe not this year), parking,the drive, playing field. Don't know if I agree with the 65% real fan part especially after last year, but don't know for sure. The one thing I don't like is the drunk fan that every other word is the f bomb with 5 year old kids next to them, no matter where I sit I have at least one. Other than that I love the place.
2bagger...
I attend a fair amount of cub games (in order to root for my 2nd favorite team) and I can assure you that f bombs are as available at wrigley as they are at Comiskey.
It is indeed a "sweeter" crowd at the ancient confines. Maybe that inherent neighborhood lisp
muffled the f bomb.
I attend a fair amount of cub games (in order to root for my 2nd favorite team) and I can assure you that f bombs are as available at wrigley as they are at Comiskey.
It is indeed a "sweeter" crowd at the ancient confines. Maybe that inherent neighborhood lisp
muffled the f bomb.
Soxnole,
If you would read a little more carefully you'd see that it was FBD and not me who made a reference to Wrigley being a better ballpark than The Cell.
I'll have to agree with most of what you wrote because it would be futile to disagree with you. Where I see the biggest advantage going to the Sox is just how much stronger their farm system currently is vs the Cubs. The Cubs just haven't developed anywhere near both the number and quality of up and comers. That being said means that the cubs will have to go out and hopefully spend some big $$ on the right players.
Right now all I see at the end of Wacker Dr. is a flickering candle.
If you would read a little more carefully you'd see that it was FBD and not me who made a reference to Wrigley being a better ballpark than The Cell.
I'll have to agree with most of what you wrote because it would be futile to disagree with you. Where I see the biggest advantage going to the Sox is just how much stronger their farm system currently is vs the Cubs. The Cubs just haven't developed anywhere near both the number and quality of up and comers. That being said means that the cubs will have to go out and hopefully spend some big $$ on the right players.
Right now all I see at the end of Wacker Dr. is a flickering candle.
rosy....
Glad to hear that you agree about the ballpark's.
The cubs already spent big dough...now they need the right mix.
I'm not sure I think it's the lack of playing talent on the cub roster.
I think it's charachter, attitude, teamwork and a severe lack of pitching talent (and health).
In a nut shell...the cubs are getting 50 million worth of performance out of thier 100 million payroll.
Glad to hear that you agree about the ballpark's.
The cubs already spent big dough...now they need the right mix.
I'm not sure I think it's the lack of playing talent on the cub roster.
I think it's charachter, attitude, teamwork and a severe lack of pitching talent (and health).
In a nut shell...the cubs are getting 50 million worth of performance out of thier 100 million payroll.
Soxnole, yes been to wrigley also and the same thing as far as f-bombs. At both parks I will have to say that the person throwing out those words are the same fan that doesn't sound like he knows a thing about the game of baseball. Since it is done at both parks doesn't make it any easier to listen to with your 8 year old daughter. I just explain to her that the drunk yelling it out at the player would never have a chance of playing on that field, and the player they are yelling at makes about 10 mil.
Soxnole,
What I said is that I made no mention of Wrigley being the better park. Don't put words in my mouth as my foot is usually there, anyway.
For the record, I would never say that I like any park more than Wrigley. I don't care what they build and where they build it. When you've grown up going to one park when you were a youngster with your dad and grandpa, and where you took your own son to his first game with his grandpa, there is no substitute. For me it isn't the food or ease of parking. It is what I feel each and every time I walk up a ramp and catch that first glimpse of the grass. For me it never gets better than that.
What I said is that I made no mention of Wrigley being the better park. Don't put words in my mouth as my foot is usually there, anyway.
For the record, I would never say that I like any park more than Wrigley. I don't care what they build and where they build it. When you've grown up going to one park when you were a youngster with your dad and grandpa, and where you took your own son to his first game with his grandpa, there is no substitute. For me it isn't the food or ease of parking. It is what I feel each and every time I walk up a ramp and catch that first glimpse of the grass. For me it never gets better than that.
I couldn't have put it any better than that.
...until the concrete falls from the upperdeck and hits you in the head....
....I go back to the days when Hank Sauer played and they had 4-6,000 in the stands on a weekday game. Weekends maybe to 15 to 18,000.
After the game...Picked up all of the rented seat cushions for tickets to a future game. Oh the memories.
....I go back to the days when Hank Sauer played and they had 4-6,000 in the stands on a weekday game. Weekends maybe to 15 to 18,000.
After the game...Picked up all of the rented seat cushions for tickets to a future game. Oh the memories.
Been,
I also picked up the seat cushions for a free grandstand seat. Thanks for bringing that up.
I also picked up the seat cushions for a free grandstand seat. Thanks for bringing that up.