Great post infielddad. I know what you say about the D-III is spot on but at the same time it could make some readers assume that things are completely different at the D-1 level. Not so in my opinion. D-1 players have to miss practices because of labs. Many have to run from classes to make practice --- and run afterwards because they were late. Many players at the D-1 level are scholars first and baseball falls somewhere below that. They love the game as much as a D-III or a JUCO player. Many carry high GPA's in difficult and demanding courses of study. Because of the D-1's size they are able to recruit from a larger pool of players because they offer more academic options to the student/athlete. They CAN recruit some student athletes that have less that excellent academics because of their vast academic options and ability to provide support that student ------ but rest assured they recruit, sign, play AND educate many intellectual student/athletes too.
Fungo
I noticed one poster said that Ivy League schools give no scholarships while Stanford does (making Stanford a better choice).
While it is true that the Ivy schools don't give scholarships (athletics or academic), they meet 100% of the financial need shown by the family (determined by a lot of paperwork and numbercrunching).
So getting 80% of your financial needs met (paying 10K at a 50K school) could end up being alot better than a small partial baseball scholarship at a different school.
Of course, every situation is different.
While it is true that the Ivy schools don't give scholarships (athletics or academic), they meet 100% of the financial need shown by the family (determined by a lot of paperwork and numbercrunching).
So getting 80% of your financial needs met (paying 10K at a 50K school) could end up being alot better than a small partial baseball scholarship at a different school.
Of course, every situation is different.
What I said was "The Ivy League does not offer any athletic scholarships to anyone." For the record, they offer no academic scholarships either.
I can only share my experience w/ Dartmouth, who were generous in their commitment to meet 100% of student need calculated by FAFSA. Already, my experience is out of date as major changes to FA programs have been announced.
I can only share my experience w/ Dartmouth, who were generous in their commitment to meet 100% of student need calculated by FAFSA. Already, my experience is out of date as major changes to FA programs have been announced.
dbg - you have a PM. Thank you.
Harvard and Dartmouth recently announced new financial aid plans where the cost to attend is 10% of the family's gross annual income when the income is between 100-250K. Anything under 100K would probably qualify for more.
I am father of a D1 and D3 athletes. Infielddad is right--its all about finding the right fit, based on your level of committment.
The best value for the money re exposure to good academic schools is Stanford camp. Next best is Headfirst showcases.
Try and go sophomore summer. If you get a school's interest, go their camp your junior summer--it allows you to meet coaches, see campus, and substitutes for a campus visit later on down the line when you are checking out schools.
My D3 son got into an extraordinarily good academic school because of the boost his athletics gave him. The coach put him high on his list of desired athletes.
The best value for the money re exposure to good academic schools is Stanford camp. Next best is Headfirst showcases.
Try and go sophomore summer. If you get a school's interest, go their camp your junior summer--it allows you to meet coaches, see campus, and substitutes for a campus visit later on down the line when you are checking out schools.
My D3 son got into an extraordinarily good academic school because of the boost his athletics gave him. The coach put him high on his list of desired athletes.
My .02 cents: I am the parent of a DI Ivy athlete and a soon to be DIII athlete (next month). The Ivy League schools give no academic or athletic scholarships. They do meet 100% of the family's need, but that need is based on what the family is expected to pay according to FAFSA, a federal standard to calculate what is called the "EFC" or Expected Family Contribution". My Ivy, from where I have had one child graduate and at which another is currently a junior on a varsity team, did away with student loans and generously boosted grants, which are gifts from the school which do not have to be re-paid. Basically, what this means is that if you are middle class, I mean $250,000 per year in income, which is by no means wealthy at all by today's standards, you pay most, if not all, of the $51,000 annual cost of tuition, room and board, if you have one child. The EFC is calculated on a per child bases, so if you have three, like I have, your total EFC is divided by three to determine what it is for each child, no matter where they attend. Even at $500,000 annual income, if you have many children, each child's share might be less than a family making less money, but with only 1 child. Some schools are unable secure 100% of the family's expected contribution in which case, the difference is made up in student (subsidized and unsubsidized) and parent (unsubsidized) loans. At a 100% need met school, the student can expect to graduate with less in loans than at a school which may be able to meet only 80%. If the family income is less than $100,000 annually, the EFC is probably going to be either zero or less than $5000, total no matter how many children.
What does this mean to the great athlete from a wealthy or middle class family, no incentive to attend an Ivy. But for the great athlete who's also intelligent, from a lower middle class to impoverished family, there is no difference and he's better off attending the Ivy because of the education. For the great athlete who's not extremely intelligent, the Ivy League is not even an option. Realize, if you will, how many kids that eliminates from the baseball talent pool for the Ivies.
All the other private baseball powerhouses award combinations of athletic, academic and need based aid. So that's why Standford wins and Ivy League champion, Columbia University, was two and done in the regionals this year. Its unfair competition, but its the Ivy way...pride over prowess...Roar Lions. The trade off is easy...for those interested in the best education in the world, they choose Columbia, but to choose doesn't mean you're in...less than 9% (most recent stats) of the applicants are accepted out of approximately 30,000 applications. Mean ACT is 28 - 33, mean SAT is 1980 - 2300. They could admit a whole freshman class of perfect scores if they wanted. All of our three children were very intelligent and driven. My youngest child, the son "drove" in his own direction, but still managed to get into a very good school and play baseball, god willing. One never knows with DIII schools who's going to be on the roster come spring time. I would trade good grades over playing baseball, though.
What does this mean to the great athlete from a wealthy or middle class family, no incentive to attend an Ivy. But for the great athlete who's also intelligent, from a lower middle class to impoverished family, there is no difference and he's better off attending the Ivy because of the education. For the great athlete who's not extremely intelligent, the Ivy League is not even an option. Realize, if you will, how many kids that eliminates from the baseball talent pool for the Ivies.
All the other private baseball powerhouses award combinations of athletic, academic and need based aid. So that's why Standford wins and Ivy League champion, Columbia University, was two and done in the regionals this year. Its unfair competition, but its the Ivy way...pride over prowess...Roar Lions. The trade off is easy...for those interested in the best education in the world, they choose Columbia, but to choose doesn't mean you're in...less than 9% (most recent stats) of the applicants are accepted out of approximately 30,000 applications. Mean ACT is 28 - 33, mean SAT is 1980 - 2300. They could admit a whole freshman class of perfect scores if they wanted. All of our three children were very intelligent and driven. My youngest child, the son "drove" in his own direction, but still managed to get into a very good school and play baseball, god willing. One never knows with DIII schools who's going to be on the roster come spring time. I would trade good grades over playing baseball, though.
$250,000 is now middle class?!! Wow, I'm getting screwed!!
[quote]$250,000 is now middle class?/quote]
If it makes you feel any better thats only 160K (in euros). <s>
If it makes you feel any better thats only 160K (in euros). <s>
By the time they took taxes out of 250,000 you would probably be hard pressed to write a check for $51,000 a year for school.
Others:
Hendrix (DIII, Arkansas)
Rhodes (DIII Memphis)
Ouachita (DII Arkansas)
Birmingham Southern (Great School, DIII - used to be DI so great facilities)
Drury University (Springfield Missouri DII)
Most of these schools give good merit based scholarships.
Others:
Hendrix (DIII, Arkansas)
Rhodes (DIII Memphis)
Ouachita (DII Arkansas)
Birmingham Southern (Great School, DIII - used to be DI so great facilities)
Drury University (Springfield Missouri DII)
Most of these schools give good merit based scholarships.
