Out-Of-State Resident Scholarship $s

Play Dog:

In the situations with which I am familiar, scholarships are handed out in dollars rather than in percentages. You can then figure out the percentage yourself and include whatever you like.

In the example you present, the school would offer your, say $3,000. You are paying $10,000, but probably more if you include books and other expenses. You can call it 30 percent if you wish (or some smaller amount to take into account the other expenses) or you can call it 60 percent since that is what it would be if you were in-state (which, of course, you are not). I doubt the coaches much care how you describe it to others.

And, by the way, the schools themselves usually work in pools of dollars (that divided up equal 11.7 scholarships based on the average cost of a scholarship) rather than in pools of scholarships. So, as I said, they are dividing up the dollars rather than portions of scholarships. Again, in your example, that pool would total somewhere between approximately $60,000 and $120,000 (again, more when yoou include books and other fees), which would be divided up by the coaches among the players on scholarship at any given time.

So the dollar pool associated with 11.7 scholarships, is it in-state tuition dollars or out-state tuition dollars that coaches are working with?

As I said in my post, it is the average cost of a scholarship, which would be a combination of the two. At least that has been my understanding. I would imagine it is based on an NCAA-approved formula.

I would think that it would be the greater of the two or how could a state school compete for out-of-state athletes with a private school that has only one fixed tuition cost irregardless of the student/athletes residency. I guess I would like to know for certain how the pool of money associated with the 11.7 scholarships is calculated by the NCAA.

Play Dog

Expanding on your example. In-state tuition and fees cost -- $5000. Out-of-state tuition and fees cost -- $10000. Books cost -- $1000. Room and Board cost -- $5000. Lets say the school offers an in-state pitcher a full ride. It will cost the program $11000. They offer an out-of-state pitcher a full ride. It will cost the program $16000. Both pitchers sign. 2 scholarships have been taken. 9.7 left for everyone else.

Like jemaz said, usually you're probably going to get a dollar offer. An out-of stater may get more dollars, but of course the total cost of going there is higher. If a program has budget constraints, this may be a reason they go for mostly in state players. There are DI programs that don't give the full 11.7 scholarships out because they don't have the baseball budget to support 11.7.

Kevin

If you are offered 30 per cent and you are out of state, it is 30 percent out of state. If yu are an in state resident, then it is towards in state tuition. Very simple.
NCAA scholarhsip percentages have nothing to do with amount of scholarship dollars in the coaches budget (which he is awarded based on a formula). If the coach wants to, sometimes out of state fees are waived, to help in his budgeting only. Private schools are private schools, there is a set amount whether you are in state or out of state.
When getting a percentage, always ask what the bottom line will be. Many schools do not count books into the formula, give students their books for free as long as they are returned there is no charge.
Every school works differently, always ask when given an offer, what am I going to owe you come billing time.

Guys and Gals

In talking bottom line with colleges, in state or out of state, always talk bottom line not percentages.

In doing this you will avoid all the confusion of percentages being applied here there and everywhere

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by PD: I guess I would like to know for certain how the pool of money associated with the 11.7 scholarships is calculated by the NCAA

why??

the only meaningful info in comparing offers is the schools "cost of attendance" (COA),
AND - the amount of the check YOU will be writing

understanding the ncaa compliance/accounting proceedures at a particular school would serve no useful purpose


jmo

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The dollar amounts are irrelevant to the NCAA, as tuition, housing, fees, etc vary radically by school. How many out-of-state scholarships are offered is a matter between the baseball program and the school's administration; I've heard more than one coach say that if they offer out-of-state, it had better be an impact player or the administration will be on their case.

Ask enough questions so that you know what the annual cost to you will be. It's not just tuition, housing, and books --- there are hundreds of dollars in fees every year, meals plans, and maybe required materials (such as a laptop). Then there's pocket money, dorm room or apartment furnishings, transport to and from school.......

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transport to and from school.

AMEN to that.

Also (if applicable) for Christmas break, spring break, Thanksgiving...

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Then there's pocket money

Really? I think there's a hole in my kids pocket.

.....and be careful of designating a credit card or cash as For Emergency Purposes Only. Chances are excellent that your son regards pizza as an emergency....

A few points that are right on and right off. As CentralIL has stated, it does not matter in state or out of state, a 50% offer is half of one scholarship. It may have a different $$$ value but it counts against the 11.7 the same.

As far as percentage offers go, I was lead to believe as TR stated that the $$ was the way to go. What we found out later is that a % of total college cost is better and here's why... In the fall of senior year after the player accepts the offer and the NLI is issued, if it is in a % it will list all the items covered by the %. Or it will strictly have a dollar value.

Example: When the player visited the school and was offered the 50% the total cost was $20,000. During the winter the school increases total cost to $25,000. The $10,000 offer that was agreed upon is no longer 50% but actually only 40%. Coaches like this because they now have another 10% to recruit with. If this happens to the 5 or 6 kids that committed early they have another 50-60% scholarship to distribute.

If your offer that you accepted was a % and your NLI was in a % then your original $10,000 is now $12,500. Many schools will not do this for the obvious reason and I had even checked with one D1 coach who was unaware that he could do this. He called his compliance office and found that this was an option.

This will also take some of the year end scholarship increase negotiations out of play because they will be automatic. Last year Univ of Richmond increased (total college cost for incoming freshamn) from $31,000 to $40,000

Coach Merc-
excellent info.

Now a follow up question, for those parents that have a son in college now OR their son signed an LOI and will be a college freshman this coming fall, how many of you ulitmately ended up with a hard $$ amount and how many got a % figure? And if it was the % figure, what did it cover (just tuition, fees, books, etc.?)

My son is a HS soph.

Just trying to learn......

Coach Merc

The reason I like to stay awy from persentages is because they can be easily be misinterpreted--using a bottom line you can always back into a percentage but with misinterpetation of percentages (what is included, what isnt and is the % based on) may not allow you to back into a bottom line.

Just my thoughts

jbbaseball
The written offers my son got and the NLI were all in $ amounts. Scholarship amounts range from next to nothing up to everything, depending on the kid and the school.

We had both types of offers and with each one we were handed a printout with the costs. The items included were Tuition, Fees, books, meals and room and board. Next to each of these items was a $$ figure with the cost for the present school year. (The 06'-07')figures were not out yet during August, September and October. It was during these months that the visits and commitment took place.

From these we arrived at the "Total Colege Cost"
and the offers compared as such. A good friend who is a D1 coach had told us a long time ago, don't sign during the early signing period for less then 30% of "Total college Cost" in baseball money. (Don't include academic and financial aid). This may or may not be sound advice for everyone but it was kind of a guiding light. That is unless the offer comes from your dream school. Also from the offer there is a sequence that the athletic deptartment pays the school. Tuition is always first and with most, room and board is last...This was our experience..

My son's offer was listed by item covered (which was beneficial as discussed by Coach Merc: the increase in each item as of the Fall semester was included) and percentage on things not covered. Given that there weren't going to be any surprises on covered items, we were comfortable with a percentage quote.

Now, had the offer been given in a percentage only, we would have been operating in a vacuum as we (and probably Coach) would not have known what coasts would be come Fall.

NLIs do have a blank for percentage which the Coach will fill in --- that will represent the offer's percentage of all facilities available to be included in a scholarship: tuition, out-of-state, fees, books, meal plan, housing, stipend, and whatever I'm forgetting.

You might also find things changing during the first year---the first semester my guy was in a dorm on campus--when he got back from Xmas Holiday he was given h keys to a house that he and three other players were moved into--and the house cost was cheaper than the dorm

We've had this discussion on many occasions, the bottom line being the ultimate cost in the end. After son was offered (in percentage only) all the costs included were forwarded to us. Dollar amount can hit you hard if tuition rises. If given a dollar amount, insist on knowing the percentage. And be aware, costs rise significantly after the player moves off campus to live.

Play dog, your comments are uncalled for. I was merely stating we have had this discussion BEFORE, chill OUT.

Edit: Play Dog removed his own post prior to mine.
Play Dog,
I received your pm. Sorry if you misunderstood what I said to mean your post was not important. Not my style.