Made you look!
Seriously....had enough of him and his act. Cooper should go, too.
20-14 today...that's a football score!
Mr. Williams...Please fire Ozzie and then please resign.
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What could Ozzie have done different today?
Just a couple years ago he led the Sox to the World Series. Now you want him gone. Have you looked at the Sox batters stats? I am pretty sure they don't have 1 batter batting over .300. So Ozzie isn't completely to blame for what has happened, although I understand that the manager is somewhat responsible, I just have a hard time blaming him when none of the White Sox players have lived up to their or anyone else's expectations.
Could it be they simply played over their heads the year of their title???
Exactly, TR.
He was lucky. We Sox fans were lucky.
I've seen enough of his act to know that it won't last long term with anyone.
Adios, Ozzie.
And Williams is even worse. He hasn't found a centerfielder, that can play centerfield, for 3 years! What is with the yoyo back and forth with Charlotte players? Owens isn't ready. Sweeney isn't ready. The pitchers aren't ready. Cooper is an idiot and he doesn't "coach" anyone. Every see the stats for the starters? That's Cooper's job.
You played around all year with Buehrle...played around with Dye....Screwed around with Crede.
I've seen enough.
I don't like Mariotti, but he's right this time.
He was lucky. We Sox fans were lucky.
I've seen enough of his act to know that it won't last long term with anyone.
Adios, Ozzie.
And Williams is even worse. He hasn't found a centerfielder, that can play centerfield, for 3 years! What is with the yoyo back and forth with Charlotte players? Owens isn't ready. Sweeney isn't ready. The pitchers aren't ready. Cooper is an idiot and he doesn't "coach" anyone. Every see the stats for the starters? That's Cooper's job.
You played around all year with Buehrle...played around with Dye....Screwed around with Crede.
I've seen enough.
I don't like Mariotti, but he's right this time.
This is what happens when people think they are smarter than everyone else. Yes the sox won it a few years ago, but lik emost teams it was a result of a lot of things coming together.
Reinsdorf, Williams and Ozzie decided it meant they were smarter than anyone else and thier way of doin ghtings was the reason they won.
Reinsdorf's refusal to sign even the best pitchers to any kind of competitive deal will keep their pitching staff in a constant state of turnover and keep it full of prospects. No matter how many sox fans bought tickets (about 9 million the last 3 years) he will pocket the money instead of paying the players. It wasn't long ago when they were saying if the fans came out, they would cough up the higher salaries for high quality players.
Williams thinks talk means a lot because that's all he does.
Ozzie was the right guy at the right time a few years ago, but like Ditka and The Bears he is no longer the right guy. They both lost their teams within a season or so fo their championships.
If Buehrle goes to free agency in this market he will make a lot more than the sox are offering.
Reinsdorf, Williams and Ozzie decided it meant they were smarter than anyone else and thier way of doin ghtings was the reason they won.
Reinsdorf's refusal to sign even the best pitchers to any kind of competitive deal will keep their pitching staff in a constant state of turnover and keep it full of prospects. No matter how many sox fans bought tickets (about 9 million the last 3 years) he will pocket the money instead of paying the players. It wasn't long ago when they were saying if the fans came out, they would cough up the higher salaries for high quality players.
Williams thinks talk means a lot because that's all he does.
Ozzie was the right guy at the right time a few years ago, but like Ditka and The Bears he is no longer the right guy. They both lost their teams within a season or so fo their championships.
If Buehrle goes to free agency in this market he will make a lot more than the sox are offering.
Fast,
I agree.
I created this thread after the first game and before the 2nd.
Disaster in the second game, too.
Adios, Ozzie.
Thanks for the memories.
I agree.
I created this thread after the first game and before the 2nd.
Disaster in the second game, too.
Adios, Ozzie.
Thanks for the memories.
Team Salaries for 2007 from USA Today:
1 Yankees $189,639,000
2 Red Sox $143,026,000
3 Mets $115,231,000
4 LA Angels$109,251,000
5 White Sox$108,671,000
8 Cubs $ 99,670,000
Reindorf is cheap? Come up with another one. That BS has been going around for years. Frankly, I think it smacks of Anti-Semitism because the facts don't bear it out. He hasn't signed pitchers to long term deals. It is almost always right. He was attacked for not signing Jack McDowell, and he was right then. It is easy for fans to say "pay all the players". Just paying doesn't work. The Yankees don't win every year. And the 5th highest payroll means the Sox are paying someone. You can attack player moves, but he was willing to pay when he thought it might help. He paid for Albert Bell, he kept Konerko. He picks spots, but that is his choice. He doesn't have to pay everyone whatever the fans want every time not to be called "cheap". If he is cheap, 25 other teams are cheaper.
1 Yankees $189,639,000
2 Red Sox $143,026,000
3 Mets $115,231,000
4 LA Angels$109,251,000
5 White Sox$108,671,000
8 Cubs $ 99,670,000
Reindorf is cheap? Come up with another one. That BS has been going around for years. Frankly, I think it smacks of Anti-Semitism because the facts don't bear it out. He hasn't signed pitchers to long term deals. It is almost always right. He was attacked for not signing Jack McDowell, and he was right then. It is easy for fans to say "pay all the players". Just paying doesn't work. The Yankees don't win every year. And the 5th highest payroll means the Sox are paying someone. You can attack player moves, but he was willing to pay when he thought it might help. He paid for Albert Bell, he kept Konerko. He picks spots, but that is his choice. He doesn't have to pay everyone whatever the fans want every time not to be called "cheap". If he is cheap, 25 other teams are cheaper.
bballdad, you are clearly entitled to your own opinion.
The only thing I'm going to take issue with is your comment about "smacking of Anit-semitism."
THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL THAT SHOULD LEAD YOU TO THAT CONCLUSION WHATSOEVER.
I made the comment that when it comes to pitching, the sox refuse to invest in it. It is a stated philosophy of the team's management.
As far as "pocketing the money" there have been plenty of owners Jewish or otherwise who have done the same over the years.
Don't make a few comments into something they aren't. If your remark was towards me, I take huge offense.
The only thing I'm going to take issue with is your comment about "smacking of Anit-semitism."
THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL THAT SHOULD LEAD YOU TO THAT CONCLUSION WHATSOEVER.
I made the comment that when it comes to pitching, the sox refuse to invest in it. It is a stated philosophy of the team's management.
As far as "pocketing the money" there have been plenty of owners Jewish or otherwise who have done the same over the years.
Don't make a few comments into something they aren't. If your remark was towards me, I take huge offense.
bballdad
I see that there are still small minds in our country
Very sad, yes Very Sad
I see that there are still small minds in our country
Very sad, yes Very Sad
and.....we don't have to look far to find one TR.
baseballdad1954 is absolutely correct. I'm sure he was not speaking of anyone in particular on this board...just a general sense that because Jerry is a Jew he's somehow cheaper than the next guy. This opinion is prevalent in Chicago, particularly with anti-semites. For goodness sake, the city has 7 World Championships because of Jerry. He has spent wisely and when he had to!
When it comes to "Cheap" and being a rotten person lets talk about "the old Roman". Comiskey single handedly caused the "Black Sox" scandle because he was a rotten human being with no regard for his chattle!...a very un-Irish and thoroughly despicable owner indeed.
That doesn't make him peculiar either...owners asked for what they got with Curt Flood and Andy Messerschmidt etc....for about 100 years!
baseballdad1954 is absolutely correct. I'm sure he was not speaking of anyone in particular on this board...just a general sense that because Jerry is a Jew he's somehow cheaper than the next guy. This opinion is prevalent in Chicago, particularly with anti-semites. For goodness sake, the city has 7 World Championships because of Jerry. He has spent wisely and when he had to!
When it comes to "Cheap" and being a rotten person lets talk about "the old Roman". Comiskey single handedly caused the "Black Sox" scandle because he was a rotten human being with no regard for his chattle!...a very un-Irish and thoroughly despicable owner indeed.
That doesn't make him peculiar either...owners asked for what they got with Curt Flood and Andy Messerschmidt etc....for about 100 years!
quote:Originally posted by bballdad1954:
Team Salaries for 2007 from USA Today:
1 Yankees $189,639,000
2 Red Sox $143,026,000
3 Mets $115,231,000
4 LA Angels$109,251,000
5 White Sox$108,671,000
8 Cubs $ 99,670,000
Reindorf is cheap? Come up with another one. That BS has been going around for years. Frankly, I think it smacks of Anti-Semitism because the facts don't bear it out. He hasn't signed pitchers to long term deals. It is almost always right. He was attacked for not signing Jack McDowell, and he was right then. It is easy for fans to say "pay all the players". Just paying doesn't work. The Yankees don't win every year. And the 5th highest payroll means the Sox are paying someone. You can attack player moves, but he was willing to pay when he thought it might help. He paid for Albert Bell, he kept Konerko. He picks spots, but that is his choice. He doesn't have to pay everyone whatever the fans want every time not to be called "cheap". If he is cheap, 25 other teams are cheaper.
I thought great points were made in this post except for the Anti-Semitisim comment which seems like a low blow to me.
Since I have already been called out as being a "right-winger" and perhaps inferentially a racist by bbdad1954 - I am going to speak my mind on this one. There often seems to be a bit of anger or rage in your posts. If coming here gets you that upset, please, please avoid reading or posting here any further. Otherwise, try being friendly as it just might help get your valid points across in a more effective manner.
soxnole
see what I mean---what does a man being Jewish have to do with this discussion---The man is successful and whether you want to admit it or like some of the best business man I have dealt with are Jewish and are great men
Talk about SMALL MINDS soxnole--- where I come from all are equal---your mind is absolutely MINUSCULE
Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder for people who might be a bit smarter and more open minded than you/
You must be extremely lonely in your very small world there in Chisox land
see what I mean---what does a man being Jewish have to do with this discussion---The man is successful and whether you want to admit it or like some of the best business man I have dealt with are Jewish and are great men
Talk about SMALL MINDS soxnole--- where I come from all are equal---your mind is absolutely MINUSCULE
Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder for people who might be a bit smarter and more open minded than you/
You must be extremely lonely in your very small world there in Chisox land
TR....
You have failed Reading Comprehension # 101...AGAIN!
You have failed Reading Comprehension # 101...AGAIN!
soxnole
Not at all all my friend--- too bad you have met me personally--you would really hate me !!!!
Why--because I have Jewsih relatives and I can be CHEAP !!!!
And by the way--there is REAL WORLD outside your small mind--you should visit it someday
Not at all all my friend--- too bad you have met me personally--you would really hate me !!!!
Why--because I have Jewsih relatives and I can be CHEAP !!!!
And by the way--there is REAL WORLD outside your small mind--you should visit it someday
Oh geez... if this is what it's like when baseball season is ongoing, imagine what it's gonna be like this winter! 
Have fun boys.
Have fun boys.
Glove Man
Typical soxnole--- I have reread and reread the posts and saw no anti-semetic inferences--
Typical soxnole--- I have reread and reread the posts and saw no anti-semetic inferences--
For the record, I apologise if anyone thought I was referring to an individual as anti-semetic. I did not intend to paint any individual with that brush. I can't look in to peoples hearts on a web site. But the cheap label has been tagged on Reinsdorf, even in the face the facts. It is what it is.
As far as rage...please. This is a baseball site. I save rage for things like wars being waged... but I am not going there in this thread.
As far as rage...please. This is a baseball site. I save rage for things like wars being waged... but I am not going there in this thread.
TR, for your information, each race has stereotypes that people use to put them down. Calling Jews cheap is one of those. People call Reindorf cheap. He is not, but he is Jewish. Try and follow the logic.
bballdad
great condescending attitude from a mind from the north suburbs--typical of your thinking
Perhaps in the north suburbs that is logic but from where I was brought up it is total PREJUDICE and BIGOTRY---
You continue to live your life the way uyou want with that small mind---I will live mine and not try to change you-- we can all get along but stay out of my neighborhood---PLEASE
Thank goodness my parents brought me up--I also take it you do not like JEWS---too bad for you
great condescending attitude from a mind from the north suburbs--typical of your thinking
Perhaps in the north suburbs that is logic but from where I was brought up it is total PREJUDICE and BIGOTRY---
You continue to live your life the way uyou want with that small mind---I will live mine and not try to change you-- we can all get along but stay out of my neighborhood---PLEASE
Thank goodness my parents brought me up--I also take it you do not like JEWS---too bad for you
ozzies ACt is a cancer this year..the sox will NEVER win again with him at the helm..move on.
TR, how can you call me anti Jewish? It hasn't been proven in a court of law.
TR, I feel sorry for you. You are so slow on the uptake. I AM Jewish. You should learn to read.
TR, I feel sorry for you. You are so slow on the uptake. I AM Jewish. You should learn to read.
Bbballdad
Dont worry about my uptake---it is swifter than you think especially since I am not in the "north suburbs"
Dont feel sorry for me sir--I have no concerns and if you are feeling sorry for me you are the loser here---
Let me ask this --why bring in the anti semiticism statement?---it has not bearing in the discussion excpet in your mind
Why do people have to always get into ethnic situations?---it has no bearing here or any other place in sports
Dont worry about my uptake---it is swifter than you think especially since I am not in the "north suburbs"
Dont feel sorry for me sir--I have no concerns and if you are feeling sorry for me you are the loser here---
Let me ask this --why bring in the anti semiticism statement?---it has not bearing in the discussion excpet in your mind
Why do people have to always get into ethnic situations?---it has no bearing here or any other place in sports
OK fellas. Here it is. bballdad1954 and TRhit, you can take whatever it is that you're trying to do or say to the PM mode.
I've been away in Georgia for a week and this is the stuff that I come back to read. There must be another forum better suited to your discussion, but this is not the place. Please, let's end it now. Thanks.
I've been away in Georgia for a week and this is the stuff that I come back to read. There must be another forum better suited to your discussion, but this is not the place. Please, let's end it now. Thanks.
Welcome back, rosy.
Did your son play in Marietta?
Did your son play in Marietta?
JP,
Yes he did. Quite a stage for some great 18's to show their stuff. His team got to play one game at the East Cobb complex and while they lost, I hope he remembers the experience. But John, as I'm sure you remember, all of the fields used in this tournament are just tremendous. The HS fields are better than any I've seen up here, something about that red Georgia clay and perfectly groomed grass. When the weather cooperates, all runs smoothly.
Hey, doing some channel surfing and turned on the Texas Collegiate League All-Star game. Anything's better than watching the home run contest and listening to Chris Berman. Maine West's Tyler Ladendorf is starting at 2nd base for one of the squads and is having an outstanding run at Howard College in Texas. Great player overcoming some serious shoulder surgery. Currently a draft and follow of the Yankees.
Yes he did. Quite a stage for some great 18's to show their stuff. His team got to play one game at the East Cobb complex and while they lost, I hope he remembers the experience. But John, as I'm sure you remember, all of the fields used in this tournament are just tremendous. The HS fields are better than any I've seen up here, something about that red Georgia clay and perfectly groomed grass. When the weather cooperates, all runs smoothly.
Hey, doing some channel surfing and turned on the Texas Collegiate League All-Star game. Anything's better than watching the home run contest and listening to Chris Berman. Maine West's Tyler Ladendorf is starting at 2nd base for one of the squads and is having an outstanding run at Howard College in Texas. Great player overcoming some serious shoulder surgery. Currently a draft and follow of the Yankees.
tyler had one heck of a college season on the SB level, I believe he had 57 SBs
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
Oh geez... if this is what it's like when baseball season is ongoing, imagine what it's gonna be like this winter!
Have fun boys.
I can only imagine...
Hey bballdad...see what I mean about the comprehension thing?!!!
soxnole and bballdad
Nah---it aint worth it!!!!
Nah---it aint worth it!!!!
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
soxnole and bballdad
Nah---it aint worth it!!!!
nah you aint
First, Garland gives up 11 earned runs in 3 innings before the manager removes him from the game.
Last night, Buehrle gives up 14 hits and 7 earned runs in 6 innings before he gets the hook.
The pundits are right, Ozzie, 2005 was just a "fluke" and not because of any of your managerial skills. Admit it, you got the job because you were a White Sox organization guy for a long time.
Please resign.
Enough is enough.
Kenny Williams: How long are you going to "stay stupid" with this club and manager?
Bring all of your best prospects up and let them get some big league experience. No chance in their division the way it looks now.
Simple as that.
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By the way, whatever happened to actually RUNNING to first base? Thome? Pierzynski? Uribe? Iguchi? Dye? Konerko (the worst offender)?
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....White Sox fan putting brown bag over head.
Last night, Buehrle gives up 14 hits and 7 earned runs in 6 innings before he gets the hook.
The pundits are right, Ozzie, 2005 was just a "fluke" and not because of any of your managerial skills. Admit it, you got the job because you were a White Sox organization guy for a long time.
Please resign.
Enough is enough.
Kenny Williams: How long are you going to "stay stupid" with this club and manager?
Bring all of your best prospects up and let them get some big league experience. No chance in their division the way it looks now.
Simple as that.
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By the way, whatever happened to actually RUNNING to first base? Thome? Pierzynski? Uribe? Iguchi? Dye? Konerko (the worst offender)?
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....White Sox fan putting brown bag over head.
Such style! Such flair! Such Beenthere!
No player gets out of the box slower than Ramirez (cub 3rd sacker).
Ozzie needs to go as deep as possible with the starters. Both Garland and especially Beuhrle have settled down after awful starts.
The bullpen is just NOT a solution.
Been....your cubbie roots are showing.
Ozzie needs to go as deep as possible with the starters. Both Garland and especially Beuhrle have settled down after awful starts.
The bullpen is just NOT a solution.
Been....your cubbie roots are showing.
Konerko and Thome are far slower to first than Ramirez. As a matter of fact is there a slower team in the Major Leagues than the sox?
Although I do think Ozzie is the wrong guy for this sox team, you can't blame it all on him. His team is slow, bad defensively, has two or three Major League Quality starters and the worst bullpen in baseball. None of them....players or management, are showing any hunger or desire. Ozzie's biggest failure is not being able to overcome the complacency that this team has adopted.
They need to back up the truck. They only have two untouchables on the Major League Team...Garland because he is decent and cheap, Buehrle because he is decent and cheap (by today's standards.) They wouldn't miss any of the other players one bit.
Although I do think Ozzie is the wrong guy for this sox team, you can't blame it all on him. His team is slow, bad defensively, has two or three Major League Quality starters and the worst bullpen in baseball. None of them....players or management, are showing any hunger or desire. Ozzie's biggest failure is not being able to overcome the complacency that this team has adopted.
They need to back up the truck. They only have two untouchables on the Major League Team...Garland because he is decent and cheap, Buehrle because he is decent and cheap (by today's standards.) They wouldn't miss any of the other players one bit.
I think they would miss vasquez!!!
Vasquez has his moments, but that is how his whole career has been. Moments. He isn't an 18 year old any more and he is what he is...up and down.
Soxnole, On this one, I think you're just plain wrong. Bad leg and all, Lou has Ramirez running better than at any time I can remember. Scoring from 2nd on a single, going from 1st to 3rd. Maybe you're seeing something I'm not (what a surprise).
Konerko is slower than anyone I can remember, and isn't running hard on top of it.
Konerko is slower than anyone I can remember, and isn't running hard on top of it.
How quickly people forget! Less then two years ago Ozzie was a genius. If he departs Chicago, a job in another organization will quickly follow.
No...In baseball, you are only as good as your next game.
Ozzie s...s this season and he knows it.
Sophomoric decisions at the major league level. Maybe he doesn't know any better?
We thanked him for 2005.
The purge has begun...with Iguchi gone...Dye will be next...Cubbies can use him in right field. They'll trade Buehrle in September if they have no chance. Vasquez is durable and should be kept, along with Garland.
Sox are looking towards 2009-2010.
Good for them.
Ozzie s...s this season and he knows it.
Sophomoric decisions at the major league level. Maybe he doesn't know any better?
We thanked him for 2005.
The purge has begun...with Iguchi gone...Dye will be next...Cubbies can use him in right field. They'll trade Buehrle in September if they have no chance. Vasquez is durable and should be kept, along with Garland.
Sox are looking towards 2009-2010.
Good for them.