Passing

IT doesn't take any "guts" to call BR out. For the ruling, though, it depends on the code.

In FED, the run counts. Here's the case play:

9.1.1 SITUATION M: With R1 at second base and R2 at first base and two outs, B5 hits a home run out of the park. While running the bases, B5 (a) passes R2 at first or (b) maliciously runs over F4. RULING: In both (a) and (b), B5 is declared out. R1 and R2 will be awarded home and allowed to score due to the award from the home run. B5's out is not a "force out" so the other runs will count. In (b) B5 would also be ejected for malicious contact.

In OBR and NCAA, it's a time play.

It's a timing play on a third out...

A runner is out when:

5.09(b)(9) He passes a preceding runner before such runner is out

It's not an appeal play, he is immediately out and since in the example it is the 3rd out - no runs can score once the out is recorded. Runs scored prior to the out stand.

It should be remembered that it isn't necessarily a dead ball though.  The ball is only dead in the example because of the third out.  Otherwise the ball is still live.

noumpere posted:

IT doesn't take any "guts" to call BR out. For the ruling, though, it depends on the code.

In FED, the run counts. Here's the case play:

9.1.1 SITUATION M: With R1 at second base and R2 at first base and two outs, B5 hits a home run out of the park. While running the bases, B5 (a) passes R2 at first or (b) maliciously runs over F4. RULING: In both (a) and (b), B5 is declared out. R1 and R2 will be awarded home and allowed to score due to the award from the home run. B5's out is not a "force out" so the other runs will count. In (b) B5 would also be ejected for malicious contact.

In OBR and NCAA, it's a time play.

 

Thanks for the input.

noumpere posted:

IT doesn't take any "guts" to call BR out. For the ruling, though, it depends on the code.

In FED, the run counts. Here's the case play:

9.1.1 SITUATION M: With R1 at second base and R2 at first base and two outs, B5 hits a home run out of the park. While running the bases, B5 (a) passes R2 at first or (b) maliciously runs over F4. RULING: In both (a) and (b), B5 is declared out. R1 and R2 will be awarded home and allowed to score due to the award from the home run. B5's out is not a "force out" so the other runs will count. In (b) B5 would also be ejected for malicious contact.

In OBR and NCAA, it's a time play.

 

BTW, the reason for my "if we have the guts" comment is because the original scenario happened to me in a Little League game.  I was the first base umpire on a four man crew.  I decided to ignore the passing since; a) the ball was already over the fence and  b) I did not have the heart to take a home run away from an 11 year old kid on  a call where there was no advantage to either team.  I didn't think anyone else even noticed until the tournament director asked me after the game; "did you see the passing on the homerun?"    I said, yep.  And that was the end of the conversation.  I welcome your input on my decision.

JWC1022 posted:

noumpere posted:

IT doesn't take any "guts" to call BR out. For the ruling, though, it depends on the code.

In FED, the run counts. Here's the case play:

9.1.1 SITUATION M: With R1 at second base and R2 at first base and two outs, B5 hits a home run out of the park. While running the bases, B5 (a) passes R2 at first or (b) maliciously runs over F4. RULING: In both (a) and (b), B5 is declared out. R1 and R2 will be awarded home and allowed to score due to the award from the home run. B5's out is not a "force out" so the other runs will count. In (b) B5 would also be ejected for malicious contact.

In OBR and NCAA, it's a time play.

 

BTW, the reason for my "if we have the guts" comment is because the original scenario happened to me in a Little League game.  I was the first base umpire on a four man crew.  I decided to ignore the passing since; a) the ball was already over the fence and  b) I did not have the heart to take a home run away from an 11 year old kid on  a call where there was no advantage to either team.  I didn't think anyone else even noticed until the tournament director asked me after the game; "did you see the passing on the homerun?"    I said, yep.  And that was the end of the conversation.  I welcome your input on my decision.

you made the right call blue!