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Passing a Runner?

B BronxCheerMember
Assume the following. Bases Loaded, 2 outs. Hitter hits a home run over the fence. The fisrt 2 runners score. While rounding 3rd, the third runner (R3) fails to touch 3rd base. While returning to touch third (before touching home), the hitter-runner catches up with R3. Hitter-runner touches third before R3 gets back -- but hitter-runner stops at third and does not pass the base until R1 has returned and touched third (the two are touching 3rd simultaneously at that point). R1 and hitter then proceed home, in order.

An appeal is made at 3rd, and the umpire calls R1 out, ruling that it was too late to go back and touch 3rd once hitter had touched it. Is that the right call? Does R3 lose his right to touch third once hitter-runner touches the bag? Or does a runner have to physically pass another runner before being called out?

How many runs count?
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J johntaine2110+ posts
when two runners occupy the same bag, they are not automatically out, if both were tagged, the batter runner would be out (runner that is behind is always out in this instance). The only way that R1 could be called out in this situation is if the batter passed R1, BR would be out immediately. In the case specified above, I have no violation since BR did not pass R1, it does not matter that they occupy the same base since the ball is not in play (home run) so the runners cannot be tagged since the ball should not be put back in play until BR touches home.

All runs would count...
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LonBlue67LonBlue67100+ posts
Tagging two runners on one base has no relevance here.



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Assume the following. Bases Loaded, 2 outs. Hitter hits a home run over the fence. The fisrt 2 runners score. While rounding 3rd, the third runner (R3) fails to touch 3rd base. While returning to touch third (before touching home), the hitter-runner catches up with R3. Hitter-runner touches third before R3 gets back -- but hitter-runner stops at third and does not pass the base until R1 has returned and touched third (the two are touching 3rd simultaneously at that point). R1 and hitter then proceed home, in order.

An appeal is made at 3rd, and the umpire calls R1 out, ruling that it was too late to go back and touch 3rd once hitter had touched it. Is that the right call? Does R3 lose his right to touch third once hitter-runner touches the bag? Or does a runner have to physically pass another runner before being called out?


By R3 do you mean the runner originally on Second, or First? Im guessing First.

Umpire was incorrect by pro rules (I guess thats what you are using, you dont say) - a runner cannot correct his mistake if a following runner SCORES behind him, but touching a base behind him means nothing, as long as they dont physically pass each other on the basepath.

Now, if he had touched Home plate, he couldnt correct his error (dead ball), but you state that he returned to Third before touching Home.
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