There was 3 times as much talent at the Super60 this year. 114 scouts were very happy.
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Correction 120 MLB scouts, not a bad turn out at all.
The Doctor posted:Correction 120 MLB scouts, not a bad turn out at all.
Did your son attend? I was watching the twitter feed, lots of high velo's...
How does PBR measure exit velocity? Off a tee ? with what instrumentation?
I am a little suspicious of the exit velocities as they tended to be huge improvements over previously recorded speeds across the board.
But maybe it's just a matter of taking velocity from live pitches vs. off a tee.
Good questions. Two of my sons friends were participants I'll ask...
Exit velo was off a tee...As for discrepancies, I obviously can't speak for anyone else, but my son's number was much higher than the number on his PBR profile, but that figure was recorded almost a year ago--since then he's equaled his number from Sunday many times.
I knew several kids that went, they said it was well ran. The only concern they had was that the track must of been a little slow somehow because there were a few speedsters present that didn't record a great time.
That's some serious velo off a tee...
Some high performers there yesterday... I watched a video of Cooper Johnson hitting, he looked like had a muscle suit on... that kid has gained a lot of strength the past year. At least definition.
wood bats?
Wood bats...there was indeed some serious velo, but then again, there were some serious athletes there...
pretty impressive for sure. on the comment on a 'slow track' on the 60, that would make sense - I saw it was timed electronically. Typically that makes for slower - albeit more accurate- 60 times.
Sorry for the confusion, I'm new to all this. Someone set me straight.
Those are all 2016s, so unsigned Seniors? If they are signed, what is the point of attending this event?
What is the strategy here?
CmassRHPDad posted:Sorry for the confusion, I'm new to all this. Someone set me straight.
Those are all 2016s, so unsigned Seniors? If they are signed, what is the point of attending this event?
What is the strategy here?
This event was strictly for mlb scouts.
It was a pro showcase--as in the players were working out before 120+ major league baseball scouts doing their homework before the June draft, where they might select some of the players who were present. Those players would then decide whether they wanted to honor their college commitment or skip school and turn pro.
I'm new to the Super 60 also. Is it just for 2016s? Has an uncommitted player ever attended? These guys will all be drafted correct?
Only problem for PBR is they don't cover as many states as others would. They are selective in the states that they cover for now at least and would miss out on many, many more talented players who would or could have been present. They only show a partial snapshot of prospects whereas PG or Baseball America covers all states.
There were some PG All Americans there, many Area Code Games players and some names I didn't recognize. But they try to invite roughly 60 very talented players.
It could be hard to get west coast players to Chicago in the middle of winter with a foot of snow on the ground like last year. Apparently 120 MLB scouts and directors thought it was worth the trip.
The Padres even rented a facility and hand picked 20 players they liked to come and do some physical skills tests.
I also saw it on the twitter feeds, some nice videos and pics.. tons of scouts.. some big numbers from the Midwest kids.
wsoxfanatic posted:I'm new to the Super 60 also. Is it just for 2016s? Has an uncommitted player ever attended? These guys will all be drafted correct?
Top 60 players within PBR's 19 (?) state area. All 2016's and I believe all are committed, with all aspiring to be drafted.
The Doctor posted:There were some PG All Americans there, many Area Code Games players and some names I didn't recognize. But they try to invite roughly 60 very talented players.
It could be hard to get west coast players to Chicago in the middle of winter with a foot of snow on the ground like last year. Apparently 120 MLB scouts and directors thought it was worth the trip.
The Padres even rented a facility and hand picked 20 players they liked to come and do some physical skills tests.
Interesting comment about the padres. I'm curious, do you know what the "physical skills tests" were? were the baseball specific skills? or were they testing athleticism, power etc?
I was told it was more like a football combine thing, quickness and strength tests.
Doc, thanks, that's what I suspected but wasn't sure. Wonder if anyone else has any information on what they typically test- I imagine it's things like vertical jump, broad jump, 10 yard sprint, etc? Not sure. I've often wondered why colleges don't test these types of things- I know baseball is more of a fine motor skill type of sport than football, but I would think that given equal skills, these types of tests would be useful in projecting future performance.
wow , those test sound like Area Code test ...
IMO about the only numbers from an event like this that can be taken at face value are the 60 times. We went to a PBR event a couple of years ago and in the intro's the guy told the players to play to their strengths. If you throw hard, throw hard etc. So you look at Johnny's stats and you see he threw 91 across the field during the infield drill. What you don't see is that those throws were 15 feet over the 1st baseman's head because the kid is throwing it so hard he's falling on his face.
Those exit speed numbers. I can look at those and know which kid can hit the baseball the hardest when swinging absolutely as hard as he can irregardless of the results. How that relates to in game results IDK.
Yep, Area Code seems to utilize more of a SPARQ testing approach: strength , quickness, agility. Baseball type combine
SomeBaseballDad posted:IMO about the only numbers from an event like this that can be taken at face value are the 60 times. We went to a PBR event a couple of years ago and in the intro's the guy told the players to play to their strengths. If you throw hard, throw hard etc. So you look at Johnny's stats and you see he threw 91 across the field during the infield drill. What you don't see is that those throws were 15 feet over the 1st baseman's head because the kid is throwing it so hard he's falling on his face.
Those exit speed numbers. I can look at those and know which kid can hit the baseball the hardest when swinging absolutely as hard as he can irregardless of the results. How that relates to in game results IDK.
Concur, in this case all these kids have passed the eye test. These kids can play, already screened. They're testing for what's in the tank; you're not going to reach top speeds like that with inefficient mechanics.
Gov posted:Yep, Area Code seems to utilize more of a SPARQ testing approach: strength , quickness, agility. Baseball type combine
Ok, that is great information and timely. I'm not familiar with area code testing, and my son was just invited to a tryout for one of the teams. Do they perform the SPARQ testing at the team tryouts, or just once you make the team at the actual area code games?
pabaseballdad posted:Gov posted:Yep, Area Code seems to utilize more of a SPARQ testing approach: strength , quickness, agility. Baseball type combine
Ok, that is great information and timely. I'm not familiar with area code testing, and my son was just invited to a tryout for one of the teams. Do they perform the SPARQ testing at the team tryouts, or just once you make the team at the actual area code games?
This link should provide the information you're seeking, also look up the tryouts from last year. You'll see workout results for the "tests" they perform.
I saw at a recent IL PBR event for 2018/2019s, a kid had an exit velo of 101. He was 10 mph over any others. I didn't notice that any of his other tools really stood out. It seems like exit velo is ever increasing, even with the younger classes. Just lucky? Does he know the PBR secret?
wsoxfanatic posted:I saw at a recent IL PBR event for 2018/2019s, a kid had an exit velo of 101. He was 10 mph over any others. I didn't notice that any of his other tools really stood out. It seems like exit velo is ever increasing, even with the younger classes. Just lucky? Does he know the PBR secret?
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Funny you say that , I was at the event , I know the kid and his father very great people and the kid trains with my son , the numbers are real , we have seen him at the upper mid 90's for few months, I was wondering the same thing what's his secret?
cause my 2019 is upper 80s , I wouldn't say lucky , the kid is a beast and hits the crap out of the ball, and has a great mindset, the kid has come along way.
Somebaseballdad, they have released the videos and you can see if they threw a strike to 1st base or not. And they give you multiple angles on hitting and fielding...video has came a long way the last few years. I can even pick out some scouts sitting near by.
wsoxfanatic posted:I saw at a recent IL PBR event for 2018/2019s, a kid had an exit velo of 101. He was 10 mph over any others. I didn't notice that any of his other tools really stood out. It seems like exit velo is ever increasing, even with the younger classes. Just lucky? Does he know the PBR secret?
Let's look at the number one exit velo, Matt Gorsk. His was 106, compared to TJ Collett, a known power hitter at 97. Matt's numbers from last year were two triples, four Hr's, and a slg avg of. 547. It doesn't add up, and it's not hard to find many more examples like this.
What we've learned from Zepp is a lot of times the top bat or exit speed will be at a bat angle which produces hard ground shots through the infield. Not necessarily an extra base hit...
I sense we're going to get Dominick in here wanting to talk about BBCOR, coefficient of collision and moment of inertia....
Some Baseball Dad,
Perhaps the reason why it's not adding up for you is because you're trying to compare apples to oranges. I don't know either player in your example, but why, or what qualifies Collett as " A known power hitter?" 30 HRs? Even if it's 10, versus Gorsk's four, then you have to have a discussion about factors like playing time, the number of ABs each had, as well as the quality of pitching that both faced throughout the season--your example is like saying that Kid A is a better hitter than Kid B because the first one went 7-for-10 in his HS league and the second was 1-for-10 in Jupiter.
Exit velocity, definitely does not = can hit in games. It is a measurable. I know a kid who is in the 90's, but CANNOT produce in games. Big kid, with a big swing, but does not hit when it counts. Lots of hard hit balls pulled on the ground. An occasional bomb that makes you go ooooohhhhh, but cannot hit good pitching and strikes out a ton. Looks the part at these showcases, but just rarely has gotten it done on the field. Not picking, just stating what I have seen. Lets not get into the lack of mental toughness part. That isn't typically a measurable at a showcase.
Ohio Dad posted:Exit velocity, definitely does not = can hit in games. It is a measurable. I know a kid who is in the 90's, but CANNOT produce in games. Big kid, with a big swing, but does not hit when it counts. Lots of hard hit balls pulled on the ground. An occasional bomb that makes you go ooooohhhhh, but cannot hit good pitching and strikes out a ton. Looks the part at these showcases, but just rarely has gotten it done on the field. Not picking, just stating what I have seen. Lets not get into the lack of mental toughness part. That isn't typically a measurable at a showcase.
Concur. High exit velo's say nothing about a players approach at the plate. We had one of these huge measurables kid and took him a while to learn how use it at the right time and just because he had a huge arm didn't mean he was paying attention in the field. He made Varsity as a Soph and stayed on the bench for most of the HS season. FYI. This same kid is a top ranked kid who verbally committed to a top 20 D1 program before he made Varsity. Felt bad for the young guy...
washrinserepeat posted:Some Baseball Dad,
your example is like saying that Kid A is a better hitter than Kid B because the first one went 7-for-10 in his HS league and the second was 1-for-10 in Jupiter.
Yes, I am bringing avg into the equation somewhat. But we're not talking a mph or two difference here. And I'm not sure where you're getting the HS vs Jupiter thing. They are both from same state, close to same area.
Look at the vids, tell me there's 10 mph difference between Gorski and Halter.