My son is attending a Perfect Game showcase this weekend locally.  He swings a bat with an Axe handle.  I know PG uses wood, but do they have you use a standard bat (since they collect the Diamond Kinetics metrics) off the tee?  Or are you allowed to use your own bat for the exit velocity measurement?  I figure if he has to use a bat with a standard handle for any testing, he should get a few swings off the tee in the yard to prep.

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When my son participated in a showcase last year they had certain bats that they had to use in the cage off of a tee for the EV, but could use any wood bat in the games.

Boilermaker/KLL, can you let me know what they have/had him use and how much it ends up affecting his normal velo if you know what he’s normally around? Also do they offer muliple lengths for different sized players? I’m curious as we are looking at doing a PG showcase this year.  Thanks.  

It seems like they had an option of 32" or 33".  It didn't really change what he normally gets.  It's just a normal Marucci wood bat.

Exit Velocity seems to be getting more and more notice from scouts.

My 2021 grandson attended the Baseball Factory/Under Armour Southwest Championship Showcase this summer. They did skills tests for Exit Velocity (Tee), Raw Throwing Velocity and the 60 yd Dash. He scored in the top 5 on every test, but his Exit Velocity was got special notice from scouts in that Every swing tested at 95mph. He also had Raw Throwing Velocity of 90mph which was the fastest for any non pitcher. 

His goal is to have 100+mph Exit Velocity (Tee) by next summer and earn a D1 scholarship or be Drafted by MLB. He’s working really hard and hopefully his dreams can com true.

 Update as of November 2019 :

Grandson’s improved Exit Velocity = 103 mph (Avg 91+/ High 103)

Working hard to have a great Junior year Baseball season.

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Exit Velocity seems to be getting more and more notice from scouts.?????? They did skills tests for Exit Velocity (Tee), .......Are we playing tee ball in high school now???   I go to a game I see a player hit the ball I see how the ball comes off the bat. I see how a pitcher throws.  to all those who are in love with this new approach believe it or not the eyes see what they see. 

 

Will posted:

Exit Velocity seems to be getting more and more notice from scouts.?????? They did skills tests for Exit Velocity (Tee), .......Are we playing tee ball in high school now???   I go to a game I see a player hit the ball I see how the ball comes off the bat. I see how a pitcher throws.  to all those who are in love with this new approach believe it or not the eyes see what they see. 

 

It's just about having an objective measurement. The most objective stats are of course hitting production but in amateur ball you don't know if those stats were done against pitchers throwing 71 or 91 which is a huge difference.

Of course there is also the eye test of an experienced scout but this is extremely subjective. Exit velo doesn't mean you can hit but it is a baseline for physical ability and it also means that there is a higher chance to succeed at higher levels. Of course in HS you can hit well with a 75 mph exit velo if you have contact ability but in d1 that is probably not going to work.

I used to use the wow factor. go see a game and you see a pitcher throw or a shortstop make a great play and you say wow. 

In talking to a scouts at a recent showcase, I was told all these skills tests are just bench marks. Good testing can't tell you if a HS kid can hit at the D1 Level but it certainly can tell you who can't compete at the next level. A kid with  95mph Exit Velocity off the Tee may be able to hit at D1, a kid with 75 just can't. You still have to play the game but it is these skills tests that tell you which level a kid is best suited for.

Yeah it is like fastball velo, doesn't mean you can throw strikes if you can hit 95 but if you throw 75 it doesn't matter if you can throw strikes for higher levels.

Sorta like when my son was going to showcases and we would see a batter would hit many hard shots during the skills BP pitched with lobs from the L-screen. Then when the batter would play in the games, his line was K, K, K.

"But we can teach him.. and when he hits the ball, it really goes"

Scouts have told me, Skills Tests tell you who has the potential to play at the next level. You still have to show ability in the game.  They look at a lot of things before they offer a scholarship or consider a kid to draft. It seems if you're 6'2"/6'3" 180/200 can run <6.8, Raw Throw 92+, Exit Velocity 95+ you will get a great deal of interest. Coaches and scouts talk and if you have +Skills and can play word gets around. My 2021 grandson is 6'3"/195 very athletic with +Skills across the board, and while he’s only gone to a couple of Showcases he’s been told he is getting noticed.

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Peach49 posted:

In talking to a scouts at a recent showcase, I was told all these skills tests are just bench marks. Good testing can't tell you if a HS kid can hit at the D1 Level but it certainly can tell you who can't compete at the next level. A kid with  95mph Exit Velocity off the Tee may be able to hit at D1, a kid with 75 just can't. You still have to play the game but it is these skills tests that tell you which level a kid is best suited for.

There are plenty of HS players with 95 mph tee exit velos who will never play college or pro ball. They are called showcase players, and when the things are moving at game speed and the pitched ball has spin and movement, sometimes they aren’t the best players on the field. D1 baseball, and all college baseball by and large, is not just about the HR ball. It’s about being a player who can be counted on to have an effective AB when the chips are on the line, whether that is a RBI single or a sac fly. So much more goes into recruiting than metrics, and of the players recruited each year, maybe 5-7 end up playing a significant role on a team over the course of their 5 years of eligibility. 

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Absolutely, you have to be able to show your skills in a game. As I mentioned my grandson got on scouts radar due to his skills testing. That coupled with a 400'+HR over the Center field fence Verified he was worth being put on scouts follow list. He is just starting his Junior year and hopefully he'll continue to improve, but a lot can happen in 2 years so who knows.

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By NCAA rules colleges weren't able to contact him until September 1 of his Junior year which was only a few days ago. He has been contacted by 6 different colleges. All said they were interested in him but none offered a scholarship which. We are hoping that his hard work will lead to some scholarship offers.

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Peach49 posted:

By NCAA rules colleges weren't able to contact him until September 1 of his Junior year which was only a few days ago. He has been contacted by 6 different colleges. All said they were interested in him being part of their program but none offered a scholarship which can only becomes official at National Signing Day of the players Senior year. One pro scout told his travel Ball coach he would arrange a tryout for the Area Code Games next summer. We figured getting this much contact the first month was pretty good. I'm sure if he's good enough he'll get an official offer once he starts his Senior year.

Per NCAA rules, a team can be contacted by the player from the time they take their first breath. So, if a college coach sees a player they like prior to September 1 of their Junior year, they reach out to that player’s coaches (club or high school) and tell them to call them. 

Teams can offer a 9 year old if they want, age has nothing to do with it. Offering a scholarship and verbally committing are a component of finally getting to the National Letter of Intent, but you won’t get to sign that NLI without an offer and a verbal commitment prior to that. That’s just how it works.

Hopefully your son has a little clearer picture of how this works, because this is an important year for your grandson, and you seem to have an idea of what is going on, but you need a little clearer understanding of how this plays out.

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Thanks for your input. We understand this will be a very important year for my grandson and he is working with a baseball specific trainer to be the best he can be. He's got good size, speed, +Arm, and ++Power, so hopefully his dreams will turn into offers by the end of his Junior year.

Also, if his game is how you describe, you are going to want offers to the strongest programs possible to use as leverage for any potential signing bonus negotiations. If he is a pro prospect, I’m a little surprised there isn’t an offer already. That usually happens prior to or concurrent with pro scouts taking notice.

Grandson's goal is to get drafted or play for a major college program. He's always been a good player but it wasn't until this summer that we saw these astronomical gains in strength and speed. In the last 6 months his Raw Throwing went from 76 to 90+mph. Exit Velocity off the Tee, from 84 to 95+mph, 60 Speed from 7.4 to 6.92, Size from 6'2"/175 to 6'3"/195 of muscle. 

We're planning on putting together a Profile with links to videos and sending it to all the colleges on his wish list. 

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Bob,

I can answer your question by saying my Grandson is a truly focused athlete that never gives up. He's a quite kid that leads by example, working hard both on and off the field. Hopefully all his dreams will come true. I know I can count on him doing everything he can to be the best player and person he can be.

If your grandson performed that way all summer, coaches should be asking him to call...regardless of Sept. 1.  Does he play for a travel team that assists with recruiting?  Most kids throwing 90 before junior year have offers.

There is definitely more to it than stats. My son hasn’t picked up a bat during summer or showcases since before  sophomore year but these were his showcase stats last time he did...he’s now a PO. Can hit for power, when he connects, which isn’t often enough to win the position.

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Btw mlb hitters who can hit more than 25 homers mostly have a max EV of 110+. A pitched ball at 90 at best adds like 15-16 mph vs a stationary ball with ideal contact so to hit 110 you would have to be able to hit 95 off the tee.

The elite power guys max at 115 so they would need to hit 100 off the tee.

Of course there are also non great hitters who can hit 110 in a game but still that is a baseline you need to hit when you want to get to the highest level

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