Mine made the HHM list , which I was also surprised , since he’s has limited amount of PG events . Just need to get him to a PG showcase . Congrats to all
Congrats to your boy!!!
My 2020 is on HHM.
TPM posted:How many of your sons made this list?
My 2020 made HM list....did go to a recent PG showcase
HM list
2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
2018 made first team All West Region. Very proud of him.
Congratulations to all the boys!
Linedrive_07 posted:2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
For underclass it looks like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have combined like 300-350 boys, and then HHM has about 1500 and then HM has maybe 3000? Something like that. Obviously there are multiple classes in there . . .
PG Rankings are (1) Top 500 kids ranked by number (1, 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.); (2) Next 500 kids have a ranking of "500" (which means they are somewhere between 500 and 1000), and (3) Next 1000 kids have a ranking of "1000" (which means they are somewhere between 1000 and 2000).
And I have no idea what it means
2019Dad posted:Linedrive_07 posted:2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
For underclass it looks like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have combined like 300-350 boys, and then HHM has about 1500 and then HM has maybe 3000? Something like that. Obviously there are multiple classes in there . . .
PG Rankings are (1) Top 500 kids ranked by number (1, 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.); (2) Next 500 kids have a ranking of "500" (which means they are somewhere between 500 and 1000), and (3) Next 1000 kids have a ranking of "1000" (which means they are somewhere between 1000 and 2000).
And I have no idea what it means
For the teams? I don’t think it’s done like that because there are four classes included. My 2020 is top 300 in his class but HHM. I’m not sure the criteria but there is a top 500 in each class with would make 1st team 2000 kids. Maybe that’s not what you meant.
2019Dad posted:Linedrive_07 posted:2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
For underclass it looks like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have combined like 300-350 boys, and then HHM has about 1500 and then HM has maybe 3000? Something like that. Obviously there are multiple classes in there . . .
PG Rankings are (1) Top 500 kids ranked by number (1, 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.); (2) Next 500 kids have a ranking of "500" (which means they are somewhere between 500 and 1000), and (3) Next 1000 kids have a ranking of "1000" (which means they are somewhere between 1000 and 2000).
And I have no idea what it means
Yeah, I see he has a ranking, but I dont have the membership level to tell what it is. I was guessing HM may be top 1000 for his class, but no idea.
BaseballHS, the 3 teams included 300 total players, not 2000
Linedrive_07 posted:2019Dad posted:Linedrive_07 posted:2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
For underclass it looks like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have combined like 300-350 boys, and then HHM has about 1500 and then HM has maybe 3000? Something like that. Obviously there are multiple classes in there . . .
PG Rankings are (1) Top 500 kids ranked by number (1, 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.); (2) Next 500 kids have a ranking of "500" (which means they are somewhere between 500 and 1000), and (3) Next 1000 kids have a ranking of "1000" (which means they are somewhere between 1000 and 2000).
And I have no idea what it means
Yeah, I see he has a ranking, but I dont have the membership level to tell what it is. I was guessing HM may be top 1000 for his class, but no idea.
BaseballHS, the 3 teams included 300 total players, not 2000
Click on "Trophies" on his profile and you'll be able to see his ranking.
baseballhs posted:2019Dad posted:Linedrive_07 posted:2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
For underclass it looks like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have combined like 300-350 boys, and then HHM has about 1500 and then HM has maybe 3000? Something like that. Obviously there are multiple classes in there . . .
PG Rankings are (1) Top 500 kids ranked by number (1, 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.); (2) Next 500 kids have a ranking of "500" (which means they are somewhere between 500 and 1000), and (3) Next 1000 kids have a ranking of "1000" (which means they are somewhere between 1000 and 2000).
And I have no idea what it means
For the teams? I don’t think it’s done like that because there are four classes included. My 2020 is top 300 in his class but HHM. I’m not sure the criteria but there is a top 500 in each class with would make 1st team 2000 kids. Maybe that’s not what you meant.
There are three classes included, Seniors have a separate list.
For 2020s I would guess the HHM category starts around 75-100 in the rankings (just because there are more 2019s than 2020s on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams). For example, I know a kid whose ranking is about #50 in the 2020 class and he is 3rd Team AA.
For 2019s, the HHM category starts probably in the high 200s somewhere.
HHM for a 2020 is a really strong ranking.
Linedrive_07 posted:2019Dad posted:Linedrive_07 posted:2019 Made HM list as well. Looks like quite a few on the list.. PG is new to us, so not sure what it really means? Does it mean they are ranked in the top 1000 or something like that?
For underclass it looks like the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have combined like 300-350 boys, and then HHM has about 1500 and then HM has maybe 3000? Something like that. Obviously there are multiple classes in there . . .
PG Rankings are (1) Top 500 kids ranked by number (1, 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.); (2) Next 500 kids have a ranking of "500" (which means they are somewhere between 500 and 1000), and (3) Next 1000 kids have a ranking of "1000" (which means they are somewhere between 1000 and 2000).
And I have no idea what it means
Yeah, I see he has a ranking, but I dont have the membership level to tell what it is. I was guessing HM may be top 1000 for his class, but no idea.
BaseballHS, the 3 teams included 300 total players, not 2000
PM me if you want me to look it up and send you a screenshot.
Here's a breakdown for anyone interested (from some simple data mining of the last few years). All-American status is based solely upon PG rankings.
Juniors and Sophomores:
1-499 = High Honorable Mention
500 = High Honorable Mention
1000 = Honorable Mention
HF = Honorable Mention
Freshmen (this is based solely on 2018 numbers--I was too lazy to look at previous years plus it is very difficult to monitor because ranking change so frequently):
1-52 = High Honorable Mention
53-175 = Honorable mention
1st, 2nd, and 3rd Teams can be comprised of top players per position from all three classes. For example, this year's catchers include primarily 2019's and some 2020's--no 2021's. There are 2021's included for other positions.
Here are the this years 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team selections for catcher by class and National Ranking:
1st Team:
2019 - 1-6
2020 - None
2021 - None
2nd Team:
2019 - 7-20
2020 - 1-4
2021 - None
3rd Team:
2019 - 21-32
2020 - 5-6
2021 - None
By the way, by the time a particular class graduates there will be more than 500 players listed as "Top 500" and following that there will be more than 1000 "Top 1000".
And to answer those that question how their son gets on this list when they have no PG affiliation? The easiest way is to verbally commit. (My observation is a verbal commit almost always gets you listed in rankings) But PG does seem to know about a few players from other non-PG events such as USA Baseball, Area Code, and possibly PBR.
One other thing to add... You can always see someone's national ranking by looking at that player's trophy tab... That is, if they are ranked.
I am not sure the 2018 AA is based on rankings, i saw a 2017 RHP ranked 7th last year but was on 3rd team AA
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bacdorslider posted:I am not sure the 2018 AA is based on rankings, i saw a 2017 RHP ranked 7th last year but was on 3rd team AA
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Yeah. Dalton was voted 1st team All-West as only a "Top 500" while another RHP out of Colorado who jumped into the rankings 100 spots ahead of him on the RHP list and into the top 400 nationally was HHM.
Some clarification -- my detailed breakdown above is ONLY for Underclass AA.
ABSORBER posted:One other thing to add... You can always see someone's national ranking by looking at that player's trophy tab... That is, if they are ranked.
That is only in relation to the National Rank, and 500 or below I think. If you have a subscription, which I dont, you can see additional rankings like Nationally Ranked Position, Overall State Ranking and Position ranking within the state.
Linedrive_07 posted:ABSORBER posted:One other thing to add... You can always see someone's national ranking by looking at that player's trophy tab... That is, if they are ranked.
That is only in relation to the National Rank, and 500 or below I think. If you have a subscription, which I dont, you can see additional rankings like Nationally Ranked Position, Overall State Ranking and Position ranking within the state.
As stated! ;-)
ABSORBER posted:
By the way, by the time a particular class graduates there will be more than 500 players listed as "Top 500" and following that there will be more than 1000 "Top 1000".
Great info, Absorber. Also, I believe the "500" ranking means the player falls somewhere in 500 - 999, and the "1000" ranking means the player falls somewhere in 1,000 - 1,999.
bacdorslider posted:I am not sure the 2018 AA is based on rankings, i saw a 2017 RHP ranked 7th last year but was on 3rd team AA
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Senior AA is also based on rankings--at the time of the selection! Ranking change after the award. I looked at the current 2017 rankings (final as they will not change post HS graduation) and clicked on the #7 RHP. He was indeed 3rd team AA last year but I can guarantee he was not then #7 RHP at the time the AA list was created!
2019Dad posted:ABSORBER posted:
By the way, by the time a particular class graduates there will be more than 500 players listed as "Top 500" and following that there will be more than 1000 "Top 1000".
Great info, Absorber. Also, I believe the "500" ranking means the player falls somewhere in 500 - 999, and the "1000" ranking means the player falls somewhere in 1,000 - 1,999.
That's very true but there are most definitely way more than 500 players ranked "500" and more than 1000 players ranked "Top 1000".
Using the current 2018 rankings:
There are currently 37 pages of National rankings; there are 50 players per page. So, ten pages include 1 through 499 plus the first player listed with a 500 ranking. Following that player there are 26 more pages of "500" rankings plus almost another 45 players listed on page 37.
So clearly there are more than 500 players with a "500" ranking.
PG is just saying that all of these players could be ranked as the 500th player listed after player 499. They are all considered as the 500th player when considering ALL positions. However, all players with a 500 ranking are further ranked by position. So while PG may say its not productive to differentiate between a RHP at 500 vs. a 1st baseman with the same rank, they do distinguish between two players in the same position ranked 500.
Top 1000's are a different story. They all share the same national position ranking but they are ranked differently within their state.
So who’s rankings would be more accurate ? PG of PBR
c2019 posted:So who’s rankings would be more accurate ? PG of PBR
Of course that is impossible to answer. Some thoughts:
1. PBR is very state/region oriented. I believe they are franchises. Which means your results will vary. I don't think all PBR showcases are run they same. Even different events in the same state/region can be different. PG's showcases are ALL THE SAME. They take pride in this and it shows. My son has been to a regional showcase and a national showcase--they were run the exact same way except one was much larger than the other.
2. Most PBR showcases don't include live games. Although I will say I see more and more that do but these are not necessarily considered "showcases". PG showcases all include games (including indoor although heavily modified). But PBR does cover HS games and writes assessments. PG does this as well but only in well known areas (GA, FL, CA) or national events.
3. PG runs MANY more events (WWBA, etc.) than PBR so I have to think PG national cross-checkers have much more at their disposal.
4. Both PG and PBR can only rate players they have seen although both include date from elsewhere. As far as local HS baseball is concerned I think PBR does a great job. Of course not all states (franchises) are the same. My state used PG data to set their initial freshman rankings--can't prove it but where else did they get their data? Not HS, had not yet started, not showcases or PBR events since most ranked kids had not yet attended. But the same kids who performed well at Freshman Fall WWBA made the rankings. Hmmm...
So my 2 cents:
Both have value and both are useful. I think PBR can have a better feel for local/regional baseball but those assessments are based on local/regional players, not national. I think PG has the upper hand as far as national comparison. In the end you will see they are pretty close.
In my opinion rankings are definately fun to look at, but have little value outside PG or PBR. The only opinions that matter are thr guys showing you a contract or a schalorship.
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bacdorslider posted:In my opinion rankings are definately fun to look at, but have little value outside PG or PBR. The only opinions that matter are thr guys showing you a contract or a schalorship.
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True, but it still gives you an idea how you stack up and helps determine what level to target for college recruiting.
c2019 posted:So who’s rankings would be more accurate ? PG of PBR
I've been observing PBR and PG ratings in my state for a couple of years now.
I've noticed that when the freshmen first get rated that PBR seems to have been influenced by the in state baseball infrastructure. In other words, kids who are well connected are well positioned in the rankings. As time goes by some of those kids fall down the list as players who were previously unknown get seen and rated more highly.
PG seems to be more metrics driven, and so less influenced by a kid's connections.
From what I've seen by the time the kids are seniors the lists happen to be very close...likely driven by where the kids are committed.
HS2020 posted:K9 posted:c2019 posted:So who’s rankings would be more accurate ? PG of PBR
I've been observing PBR and PG ratings in my state for a couple of years now.
I've noticed that when the freshmen first get rated that PBR seems to have been influenced by the in state baseball infrastructure. In other words, kids who are well connected are well positioned in the rankings. As time goes by some of those kids fall down the list as players who were previously unknown get seen and rated more highly.
PG seems to be more metrics driven, and so less influenced by a kid's connections.
From what I've seen by the time the kids are seniors the lists happen to be very close...likely driven by where the kids are committed.
My 2020 made the HM -
I kinda agree with you here , PG is legit - the real deal -
the other guys don’t have real backgrounds - some do at the national level , but at the state levels not so much -
pBR is good if you want a video and numbers that’s it. The Midwest is really a money grab . Unless your buddy’s with certain Top Tier teams or others house hold names and you keep sending your kids to showcase -
some kids are a no brainer . You can see -
but I think PG is big on numbers and that what everyone wants To see .
PBR isn’t big on numbers . They might promote big numbers after events , but look at the rankings and those kids numbers .Very low output numbers then look next years rosters half of them don’t make it or don’t evevy play or need of transferring .
Don’t know how they can rank someone without seeing them play for long periods of time . Some kids jump 50 spots after 1 showcase , I mean really they haven’t even played a game yet . Ever wonder how they come out with ranking a few weeks after PG does ? Yea what a surprise - tbh they are real good with Showcase kids . And we know showcase kids to play in college .
Sorry to hijack
congrats to to all the PG All Americans
I am not sure where you did a PBR, but I really disagree. I think PG and PBR are both good and definitely don't see PBR as a money grab. The director for our state makes phone calls for kids and sends scouts out to watch hs games. My son only went to one PBR so far and we have never met the director and I know he has contacted coaches about my son. There are two kids committed on our hs team, to top D1 schools and they both give credit completely to PBR. I know they are franchises so it might be different in different areas but for our state they are both really valuable IMO. We plan to do both this summer.
baseballhs posted:HS2020 posted:K9 posted:c2019 posted:So who’s rankings would be more accurate ? PG of PBR
I've been observing PBR and PG ratings in my state for a couple of years now.
I've noticed that when the freshmen first get rated that PBR seems to have been influenced by the in state baseball infrastructure. In other words, kids who are well connected are well positioned in the rankings. As time goes by some of those kids fall down the list as players who were previously unknown get seen and rated more highly.
PG seems to be more metrics driven, and so less influenced by a kid's connections.
From what I've seen by the time the kids are seniors the lists happen to be very close...likely driven by where the kids are committed.
My 2020 made the HM -
I kinda agree with you here , PG is legit - the real deal -
the other guys don’t have real backgrounds - some do at the national level , but at the state levels not so much -
pBR is good if you want a video and numbers that’s it. The Midwest is really a money grab . Unless your buddy’s with certain Top Tier teams or others house hold names and you keep sending your kids to showcase -
some kids are a no brainer . You can see -
but I think PG is big on numbers and that what everyone wants To see .
PBR isn’t big on numbers . They might promote big numbers after events , but look at the rankings and those kids numbers .Very low output numbers then look next years rosters half of them don’t make it or don’t evevy play or need of transferring .
Don’t know how they can rank someone without seeing them play for long periods of time . Some kids jump 50 spots after 1 showcase , I mean really they haven’t even played a game yet . Ever wonder how they come out with ranking a few weeks after PG does ? Yea what a surprise - tbh they are real good with Showcase kids . And we know showcase kids to play in college .
Sorry to hijack
congrats to to all the PG All Americans
I am not sure where you did a PBR, but I really disagree. I think PG and PBR are both good and definitely don't see PBR as a money grab. The director for our state makes phone calls for kids and sends scouts out to watch hs games. My son only went to one PBR so far and we have never met the director and I know he has contacted coaches about my son. There are two kids committed on our hs team, to top D1 schools and they both give credit completely to PBR. I know they are franchises so it might be different in different areas but for our state they are both really valuable IMO. We plan to do both this summer.
Agreed. Ours in Colorado as well. I think YMMV by state.
Real early stages here but so far PBR here in PA offers zero/zip and basically has politics in their system. Long story short is kid did PBR event as we were told they were good, honest etc... kid's scores came out as one of the top in his age and he gets overlooked by kids that didn't even do a PBR event. Spoke with some and was told so and so made a call and got this kid and that kid a spot and kids didn't earn their way. It's a who knows who game and a smack in the face to the kids that work their tail off and it shows come game time and or showcase/event time. When you take players that don't deserve a spot because of a coach/organization it's laughable. The game will sort everything out on the field as the true talent, kids with make up and work ethic rise to the top.
Haven't done any PG events but at least they have top programs at the WWBA etc... showing up to play baseball. Perform against the equal or better and people will take notice. Leave the politics out of baseball and don't waist $$$ as we did especially at a young age with all the showcase BS. For any event organizer out there - at least do what you say your going to do and take and rank the players based on performance and not a phone call and or favor.