PG Atlantic Top/Under @ Harbor Park

taking our 2012 son.....

Several Virginia Cardinals players have already signed up, I hope we can get a few more down there before the weekend hits.

A couple of Canes will be there as well.

Where can we get the information for this is event? Is it on the PG web site?

The Perfect Game web site has the information under the Showcases tab. It also is on the home page now because the event is so near in time. Rosters for the Mid Atlantic PG also are posted now. To answer 2Slim's question, the cost for this event was $549.

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Originally posted by 2012 WB:
Where can we get the information for this is event? Is it on the PG web site?

Go to the Perfect Game site. The rosters and schedules are posted.

Virginia Cardinals players attending include:

2011's: Will Brown (Matoaca RHP), Clay Keranen (Courtland RHP/SS), and Gary LeClair (Steward OF)

2012's: Tyler Carrico (James River RHP), Michael Childress (Benedictine OF), Colton Konvicka (Benedictine OF), and Tanner Phillips (Powhatan RHP)

Also 2013 Tyler Allen (Powhatan OF)

The 60 times for this event are high across the board. Was anyone there? I'm wondering if they were on a wet surface after all of the overnight rains, or what.

Congrats to these Cardinals on these PG blog entries:

"-OF Colton Konvicka (2012, Benedictine HS, VA) is a top-notch athlete who posted a 6.95 sixty time, while also throwing 86 from the outfield."


"-OF Tyler Allen (2013, Powhatan HS, VA) was one of the top fast-twitch athletes in attendance as he ran a 6.91 sixty to go along with some of the best hitting tools of any player in attendance."


Unless I overlooked someone, only one guy there ran faster than Tyler Allen. But to be honest, we've timed both him and Konvicka a few tenths faster in the past.

Heres how some of the players from the Hampton Roads area did today ....

-OF Garrett Brooks (2012, Western Branch HS, VA) is a top-notch athlete that also went 3-3 at the plate with a smooth left-handed swing. He also posted a 6.86 sixty while flashing a strong outfield arm.

-OF William Hinton (2012, Landstown HS, VA) is one of the best athletes in attendance and had a 2-3 day at the plate while showing off his 6.71 sixty speed on a triple down the right field line.

Connor Staskey (LHP/OF, 2012, Salem HS, VA) relieved Fogleman and threw a solid 3 innings for the Green team. He has a lean athletic build with quick arm action, he sits in the mid 80's topping out at 86. His fastball shows some late life.

-C Luke Hill (2011, Poquoson H.S., VA) was 1-2 for team Gold in the afternoon game at Harbor Park. Hill has a short swing stays inside the ball and makes solid contact. Hill’s one hit of the game hit 90MPH of the bat.

-RHP Grayson Crouse (2011, Frank W Cox H.S., VA) had a fastball that topped out at 83MPH while sitting at 81-82, with a curveball that sat at 70-72. Crouse has a high ¾ release point, with short arm action. Crouse has some arm side run on his fastball and has an 11-6 break on his curveball.

-RHP Aaron Myers (2011, Denbigh H.S., VA) got his fastball up to 86MPH this afternoon while sitting at 83-85, a curveball at 69-72, and a changeup at 76. Myers is a big athletic kid with short arm action. Myers’s fastball has some arm side run to it, and uses a 12-6 curveball

& Midlo Dad , the 60 was run in the morning so the surface was still a bit wet from the night before

The times were higher than I expected. Several kids I have timed multiple times were slower. The OF was a little wet but not much, IMO. Times were just slower across the board.

Here is some info on how some of the Canes did on the weekend:

-Stephen Godfrey (RHP, 2012, Douglas Freeman HS, VA) topped out at 87 today while sitting at 85-86 on his fastball, with a 70-73 curveball and a 78 change. Godfrey has some late life on his curveball and some arm side run with a little bit of a sink on his fastball.

-Nick Grant (RHP, 2012, Milford HS, DE) relieved Kruse and was very interesting. Grant has a projectable athletic build, short compact arm action with good arm speed. His fastball showed good arm side run and sink and sat in the 85-88 range and touching 90 in his first inning of work. He showed a 76 MPH curveball with tight 11-5. He has a very live arm and should be fun to watch future.

-Christian Younce (2012, C, Kellam HS, VA) was 1-2 at the plate, with a run scored, but he showed more behind the plate with plus catch and throw skills, he has a quick transfer and release and should only get better, he consistently popped under a 2.00 during the workout with his best being a 1.90.

-Patrick Corbett (2011, RHP/INF, Tabb HS, VA) hit 90MPH on his fastball. He sat at 87-89 on his fastball with a curveball at 71-73 and a 73 change. Corbett uses a medium ¾ arm slot, medium arm action, and good command. Corbett’s fastball has some arm side run with a little bit of sink, and a curveball with tight spin. Corbett also was 2-3 in this afternoon’s game with a couple of stolen bases as well. Corbett is a smart base runner, made good contact on his singles, and hit a ball that was clocked at 91MPH off the bat.

And some of the Tidewater kids on Sunday:

-Luke Hill (2011, C/3B, Poquoson HS, VA) also went 2-3 with a RBI and a run scored, he has an athletic build and shows some bat speed.

-Brett Mays (2011, RHP, Woodside HS, VA) threw next for the Green, he has a long projectable frame. He has a loose arm action with good downward plane, his fastball has good arm side run and his velocity projects. His fastball topped out at 83, showed a nice tight 74 MPH curveball with late life. He also went 2-3 at the plate with a double, he shows good bat speed and makes solid contact.

-RHP/1B Grayson Crouse (2011, Frank W. Cox H.S., VA) went 2-3 in the game with a stolen base and an RBI. Crouse showed he has some good speed on the bases along with good instinct on the bases.

-2B Ashton Groves (2011, Great Bridge H.S., VA) was 2-3 with 2 RBI’s. Groves hit the ball hard today, showed a good swing, and drives the ball back through the box.

-OF Dakari Cooke (2011, Bethel H.S., VA) went 2-4 with an RBI for team Navy. Cooke has a good frame, good speed on the bases, and makes solid contact at the plate. Cooke drove the ball back through the box in his second hit.

-MIF David Lutz (2011, Gloucester H.S., VA) was 3-4 for team Navy. Lutz has a good approach at the plate, makes solid contact and has a good swing. In the field Lutz made some nice plays as well going into the right field grass to get a couple of kids out.

-OF Preston Grissom (2011, Great Bridge H.S., VA) was 2-4 for team Navy. Grissom has some pop in his bat and showed good speed on the bases with a triple.

I was down there as well...and pretty close to them running the 60, although not on the field. Could hear that the ground was pretty wet and the spikes chopped up the surface pretty good. Plus, they had the kids starting in the gravel, which caused alot of bad starts. Not sure the PG Staff could have done much about the conditions after the rain they got the night before.

Hats off to the PG Staff for running a well-organized event. Nice venue too.

Redbird does a nice job on the southern VA guys...I'll give a shot the the NOVA/Northern kids identified in the PG Scout blogs...I apologize in advance if I miss anyone...

-RHP Adrian Powell (2013, Broad Run H.S., VA) topped out at 83MPH and sat at 80-82 in his fastball with a 67-70 curveball, 72 slider, and a 67 change. Powell has a 2 piece arm action, high ¾ arm slot, and locates his pitches well. Powell’s curveball is a 12-6 where the bottom falls out.

- Scott Van Steelant (2012, RHP, Woodgrove HS, VA) pitched vs for the Orange team vs his own team (White) next. His fastball sat in the 78-80 range, he has a tall athletic build, throws from an over head slot and creates good down plane on his fastball, he has a clean delivery and has he matures his velocity should increase.

-Connor Oliver (2012, RHP, DeMatha Catholic HS, MD) pitched a solid 2 innings of relief with a fastball in the 80-85 range topping out at 85, he has a quick arm and clean delivery. Oliver also flashes a tight 12-6 curveball at 71 MPH. Oliver also went 2-3 with a RBI and run scored; he shows the ability to hit the ball to all fields.


-Mitchell Aker (2012, MIF, RHP/OF, Paul VI Catholic HS, VA) was 1-3 today and showed good opposite field pop, he also pitched two innings for the Orange and sat between 83-86 topping out at 87, he has a live arm with good arm strength as he demonstrated yesterday throwing 90 MPH from RF. His fastball has good arm side run and sink, he will need to make some minor adjustments to help his control but he has a lot of upside and tools to develop.

-MIF Mitchell Aker (2012, Paul VI Catholic, VA) showed the strongest arm of the day throwing 90 mph from the outfield.

-Joe McGillicuddy (2011, WT Woodson H.S., VA) sat at 86-88 and topped out at 89 on his fastball with a slider at 75-76 and a change 75-78 for team Navy. McGillicuddy uses a medium ¾ arm slot with some life to his fastball. McGillicuddy uses a quick tempo to help keep the hitters off balance as well.

-John McGillicuddy (2011, WT Woodson H.S., VA) sat at 85-87 on his fastball while topping out at 88. He also uses a curveball which sits at 71 and a change at 75. He uses medium arm action, with a high ¾ arm slot. McGillicuddy has some arm side run to his fastball, solid sink to his change and gets ground balls.

-Colin Gibbons-Fly (2012, MIF/OF, Dematha Catholic HS, MD) was 2-3 in the game and showed a solid swing and made good contact, has a smooth swing with good bat speed.

-MIF Colin Gibbons-Fly (2012, DeMatha Catholic HS, MD) flashed impressive hitting tools and has a very solid approach to hitting. He also ran a 7.12 sixty, while throwing 82 from both the outfield and the infield.

-1B Henry Faunce (2011, DeMatha Catholic HS, MD) was the day’s top power hitter as drove several balls deep in the spacious ballpark.

-1B Henry Faunce (2011, DeMatha Catholic HS, MD) continued his strong showing from batting practice to his team’s game this afternoon. Faunce went 2-2 with an RBI. Faunce also made some nice plays in the field highlighted by a diving stop to finish an inning.

-Derek Fogleman (RHP, 2011, DeMatha HS, MD) started for the Green team and sat in the 81-83 range with solid command, he flashed a tight 12-6 curveball and a straight change at 66-68, he has a clean delivery and his body projects.

-Sean Stephenson (2012, RHP/OF, Dematha Catholic HS, MD) started the game for the red pitching 3 innings, his fastball sat at the 82-84 range topping out at 85, has an athletic build, long arm action with good arm speed, fastball shows good downhill plane, he also flashes a tight 12-6 curveball with some depth.

-LHP Thomas Rogers (2013, Lake Braddock HS, VA) might have been the most impressive arm in the game as he sat in the 80-84 range with a polished delivery and clean arm action. He also flashed a solid 2-8 curveball and showed a feel for his change-up.

-Royal starter RHP Nicholas Moylan (2012, DeMatha Catholic HS, MD) threw three perfect innings to start the day, striking out two batters. He sat in the 80-83 range with his fastball, while also flashing a tight 11-5 curveball.

--RHP Adrian Powell (2013, Broad Run H.S., VA) topped out at 83MPH and sat at 80-82 in his fastball with a 67-70 curveball, 72 slider, and a 67 change. Powell has a 2 piece arm action, high ¾ arm slot, and locates his pitches well. Powell’s curveball is a 12-6 where the bottom falls out.

More blog notes on our Cardinals guys:

The Gold team ran out 3 quality arms, Will Brown (2011, RHP, Matoaca HS, VA) started the game and showed a fastball in the mid 80's range with good arm side run and plus life, he topped out at 86. He has a very projectable pitching build and already has control of a tight 11-5 curveball, his delivery is a little funky but it creates good deception and works for him.

Colton Konvicka (2012, OF/RHP, Benedictine HS, VA) was 2-3 also, he shows an aggressive approach and lets the ball get deep, he has some strength in his swing, he also stole a base.

Tyler Carrico (2012, RHP, James River HS, VA) started the game for the Green team, his fastball sat in the 79-82 range topping out at 82, he showed a tight 74 MPH 12-6 curveball with late life.

OF Michael Childress (2012, Benedictine H.S., VA) ran a 6.95 in the 60 this afternoon flashed his speed in the game as well. Childress just looks to put the ball in play and let his speed do the rest. He was able to steal 2 bases during his game this afternoon and run down multiple fly balls in the outfield.

MidloDad -
those times are unusually slow. while I am not familiar with all of the Cardinals, I do know that Mike Childress is a state class sprinter with NC State pursuing him as a sprinter. Colton Konvicka also is a state class sprinter and Gary LeClair is not terribly far behind. Unfortunately we all know that stop watch fast and baseball speed are two entirely different things. thanks for the updates,

LeClair had to cancel, came down with a virus right before the event.

But yeah, I'm kind of disappointed in the times. They are good times, but these are guys capable of great times. We had another guy who slipped on the wet surface whose time came in just terrible, and I hate to see that posted on his PG web page. He's not as fast as the others, but he's a lot faster than the showcase time that'll end up getting posted.

There's supposed to be a note with the times on the players' pages that says "slow track", but really nothing short of a second run would really have fixed things. I'm kind of sorry that didn't happen. Now you almost have to get these guys to a second PG event just to set the record straight.

Not to be a sour grapes guy; I take it Redbird's guys had similar experiences.

To put it in perspective, PG's page for LeClair has him at 6.70 and 6.79. We have had him at 6.56. By our stopwatches, Konvicka is right on his heels (6.72). We haven't had a chance to time Childress or Allen but our expectation was that they'd be right there, too.

Yeah...my guy has been as low as 7.02 before and ran a 7.49. Part due to a bad run and maybe a slow track. I know of a couple of 6.8 guys who were in the 7.1-7.2 range as well.

Maybe we should start a petition?

Nahh...I was down on the field and it was the same for everyone. While not ideal, I was surprised the field was in such decent shape given the storms the night before.

As everyone noted, the times were extremely slow for a number of reasons:
1. Wet fields from rain the night before
2. Started on warning track in LF (my son slipped on his first two steps)
3. All of the kids ran on the same path/lane, one-at-a-time (ie. not side-by-side)

Now, I will say that PG used the laser tracking system which goes on first movement and is generally considered more accurate than a stopwatch which relies on human accuracy for start/finish. So I would expect laser times (given the same conditions) to me slightly slower than stopwatch times or at least more repeatable.

the times are now posted on the PG web site under each players profile but there is no indication of the field conditions which is unfortunate.

Just my view

To clarify, PG also hand times every runner. They record both times and publish the lowest time.

With catcher's pop times, they use 2 watches, record both times and publish the lowest time.

60 times: I did notice that PG made a note in the player's profile "slow track, wet field" under the times.

HAHAHAHA. I'm guessing there was a little complaining.

Our luck wasn't much better at the January event in Ft Myers. Believe it or not...it SNOWED! Our boys ran on fields that were soaked with rain as well as melted snow. IN SOUTH FLORIDA!!! lol!!

Now, my son shouldn't have been there in the first place (he was recovering from minor bruised foot), but his 60 was recorded at 7.58 instead of his typical 7.2 (then) and his arm was recorded at 79 where he had consistantly been recorded at 84.

When the results where first posted, there were comments about the terrible weather we played in, and a notation stating they saw up to 4-5 mile differences in people previously scored. Unfortunately, when they revamped the website, that information is no longer there...

You guys seem to be extremely knowledgeable, so I am going to repeat a question here that I posted on the main board, and if possible, I hope you can give me a more definitive answer.

As a 2012 outfielder, if you were recorded at 7.58, but now run a 7.05/7.1, and your velocity has increased from 79 to 84/85...considering your written evaluation was still as complimentary as before, would you be given a higher rating? And if so, would it be enough to ake it worth the $ for another evaluation?

If this was YOUR SON, would you re-evaluate now, or just focus on strength and speed while playing a competitive fall schedule, revisiting the evaluation next summer?

If it were my son YES I would let him do another event so he could show what he was truly capable of doing when healthy and under better conditions. And YES if he runs a better 60 time and throws harder his rating will improve. How much , well that's up to the guys doing the evaluating that day. But the bottom line is arm strength and speed are very important measurable tools. Good luck

If it were my son, I would attend another camp to show off his skills.

I have attended 4 PG showcases in the last four years--60s have all been run first thing in the morning on wet fields (whether due to rain or due to a combination of sprinklers and dew). By the time they finish the warmup, the spikes weigh about 2 pounds apiece. It should surprise no one that the 60 times were off players' normal times. My one son was a steady 6.70 his junior year when timed at HS practices. He was a 6.90 and a 6.95 at two PG events. It was the difference between wet and dry spikes.

It is amazing to me that in this economy, PG can still run so many events at about $500 per event. That company knows how to market its services. Wish I had gone into that business 20 years ago.

Thanks to everyone for the advice! I did get him into the PGame event. I figured it was the price I had to pay for making the wrong decision to send him back in January. (Again, lesson learned.)

I love this board and I really appreciate the honest feedback people are willing to share. Thanks, again!

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Originally posted by isaacvanwart:
I have attended 4 PG showcases in the last four years--60s have all been run first thing in the morning on wet fields (whether due to rain or due to a combination of sprinklers and dew).

PG does not have a monopoly on players running the 60 on wet fields. Was at a showcase run by Impact Baseball at the USA Complex in 2008. Not only were the players running on wet grass but also the players were not allowed to wear spikes, they could only wear (slippery) turf shoes. Maybe that way they did not gain the weight from the extra mud on the cleats??

"PG does not have a monopoly on players running the 60 on wet fields. Was at a showcase run by Impact Baseball at the USA Complex in 2008. Not only were the players running on wet grass but also the players were not allowed to wear spikes, they could only wear (slippery) turf shoes"

We must have been at the same showcase. Not only did they wear turf shoes when they ran, they also wore them when they did infield. Some kids were slipping all around.

Anyone know how long before the grades/ratings come up?

I believe I was working that Impact event in Cary. The grounds crew would not allow us to let the players wear spikes while running the 60. They were afraid it would tear up the outfields. The grass was very wet and kids times were way off. But the fastest kids were still the fastest kids. And the coaches standing there watching the players run were well aware of the running conditions. I think it would have been much better to do the 60's at a location where the kids could have worn spikes and at a time when the grass was not wet.

Grades are posted now

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Originally posted by GWTW62:
Grades are posted now

I have no idea how much weight the PG grades hold, but what kids graded highest from VA. I am new to this whole thing, so I am trying to come up to speed.

Here are the top rated VA guys from Atlantic CoastTop/Under:

2011
Patrick Corbett = 9.5
Joe McGillicuddy = 9.0
John McGillicuddy = 9.0
Will Brown = 8.5
Preston Grissom = 8.5
Jared Lyons = 8.5
Aaron Myers = 8.5
Sheldon Shiflett = 8.5
Dustin Woody = 8.5

2012
Mitch Aker = 9.0
Stephen Godfrey = 8.5
TJ Reynard = 8.5
Connor Staskey = 8.5
Christian Younce = 8.5

2013
Tyler Allen = 8.5
Thomas Rodgers = 8.5

To put the grades in perspective:

Perfect Game USA's Player Rating System
10 -- Potential very high draft pick, Top DI in the nation prospect
9 -- Potential top 10 round pick, Top DI prospect
8 -- Potential mid round pick, definite DI prospect
7 -- Potential low round pick, DI prospect or top level Juco, DII
6 -- Possible DI prospect, definite DII or Juco prospect
5 -- Possible DII prospect or mid range Juco prospect
4 -- Possible low level DII or high level DIII prospect
3 -- Possible DIII or low level Juco prospect
2 -- Possible low level DIII prospect
1 -- No prospect at this time


Congratulations to Will Brown and Tyler Allen of the Cardinals, included in Redbird's lists above. I would also add that Colton Konvicka just missed that cut, at 8.0 among 2012's.

Thanks Redbird and Midlo...just tryin to come up to speed to assist in conveying some info from NOVA.

Finally decided to post after observing in the background for few years. Just out of curiousity how many Ball Players from VA were PG Rated 8.0 or better, and how many of those players are realtively unknown to the long time posters like Midlo and Redbird?

There were 10-15 8.0's in 2011 and 2012.

I knew all but one kid who was an 8.5+ since I have coached against most of these kids over the years.