My boys have yet to do a PG event. They may never do one, as they’re not pro prospects, unlike many of your boys.
I’m a stats junkie, too, and if I thought the stats/writeup mattered and PG posted incorrectly, I would write PG and get it fixed, whatever it took.
I get the frustration but for many of the posters here the PG product is extremely useful and there doesn’t appear to be anyone on HSBBW any longer who can address complaints.
The objective of a PG event is go and show you can play the game. Do this and the result will be positive.
Write ups are nice. Chances are if a kid gets one coaches already know who he is. As a kid (LL to high school) my pleasure in writeups was hearing my mother bitch they either got my name wrong or spelled it wrong. When she asked if I saw the mistake I told her I never read the articles. I was at the game.
The irony is several years ago I showed a great article on my son to my son. He looked at me like I was nuts and said, “I know what I’m hitting!”
wareagle posted:TPM
Not a terrible jab at PG or Jerry. Maybe the title comes off that way but it was really just for "effect". I hope Jerry does read the posts and takes it for what it truly is meant to be. "constructive criticism". I think most would agree that the stats and game input could be improved upon. Most of the problems there could be solved by simply impressing upon those young boys and girls that their job is important and that it needs to be done as correctly as possible. Alot of the issues are due to the scorekeepers not being focused on the game or simple input errors that they either don't know how or don't take time to go back and correct. it will never be 100% correct and it may not matter to scouts, but I believe it does matter to parents and coaches and they are the ones paying for the Diamondkast service.
The problem with scout notes is real as well. I don't expect them to do negative write ups for any kid and that's not what I want . But if you go watch a kid and he has a bad day just skip the write up. I have seen several where the kid has an off day with pitching control or whatever then you get a write up saying how in command of his pitches he was. No Doubt they are good players and they will have another outing to write about. Don't just write up something that didn't happen just because you already filmed and watched him.
PG has lots of employees and I am sure Jerry does not see every game, maybe this is one way to keep him aware.
As stated earlier, I really like most things about PG tournaments and hope it continues to improve.
I think that if you had concerns, felt that a topic entitled " fake news" would catch his attention, maybe you should just make a phone call with your concerns?
Just sayin'.
The title probably does come across pretty harsh. Long Hot day and it sounded good at the time. The content of the message is correct.
I thought this board was here to express opinions and ideas and get feed back. Excuse me if I was wrong. If I had an individual gripe then I might give PG a call, but this was more of just a general observation/frustration that I believe others share.
wareagle posted:The title probably does come across pretty harsh. Long Hot day and it sounded good at the time. The content of the message is correct.
I thought this board was here to express opinions and ideas and get feed back. Excuse me if I was wrong. If I had an individual gripe then I might give PG a call, but this was more of just a general observation/frustration that I believe others share.
...and you're getting feedback. Or was your post meant to be a one-way street, i.e. you->PG? The truth (and feedback) is...the stats don't really matter.
I'm not a PG defender - far from it. But I'm giving you feedback that you're focused on a mostly irrelevant thing.
We can just disagree on that I guess.
Stats do matter. If they did not matter then why would people pay to view them. They may not matter to scouts, but the scouts are not the primary source of income.
If we just say that’s stats don’t matter then why even publish them? Because people will pay to see them!
And as long as we are paying for them we should request that they be correct.
You're right, Wareagle, you have a right to see stats that are accurate. Some folks may not care; you do. But no one here can help you with getting the stats corrected.
I back up WAREAGLE on this. The main point of the OP was about scout notes being incorrect....the stats were an afterthought. I witnessed a game last year at BCS (played before my son's game so I have no dog in the fight), where a pitcher no-hit or 1-hit (I can't remember) a highly rated ELITE team that was PRIMED with talent...if you get my drift. Scout notes the next day mentioned all the hitters from the team that lost and nothing about the pitcher. I did send a comment about that to PG cause it bothered me so much. Might have been that kid's moment of glory and put him on the radar at a future tournament....but unless you watched in person, you never knew it happened.
All organizations doing tournaments have an issue with teenagers hired to do score keeping, but as WAREAGLE says, even if you are the best in the business, there is still room for improvement with feedback from your customers.
justbaseball posted:wareagle posted:The title probably does come across pretty harsh. Long Hot day and it sounded good at the time. The content of the message is correct.
I thought this board was here to express opinions and ideas and get feed back. Excuse me if I was wrong. If I had an individual gripe then I might give PG a call, but this was more of just a general observation/frustration that I believe others share.
...and you're getting feedback. Or was your post meant to be a one-way street, i.e. you->PG? The truth (and feedback) is...the stats don't really matter.
I'm not a PG defender - far from it. But I'm giving you feedback that you're focused on a mostly irrelevant thing.
I love PG. and I really wish PGstaff still posted on this site. I truly cherished his expert opinions and advice. But if what what the 2 of you are saying is correct, in a nutshell, the stats are inaccurate and irrelevant, they why is PG wasting time and money providing it?
It can be quite comical. The other day we were watching a young kid (18? 19?) categorize 87 mph and 88 mph and 89 mph fastballs as changeups -- at least 15 or 20 of them. It was a hoot to see it posted on the board. Sure helped the "average fastball velocity" of the pitcher (who topped out at 92, IIRC).
At some point there will be an automated system to do it. But where's the comedy in that?
Because folks like WarEagle like them...track them...think they're important. Look, I'm not saying PG shouldn't strive to make them accurate - but he and others tied them to the writeups about a player and I'm trying to say that a positive writeup is just because thats "what they think people want to hear regardless if a kids results" is just wrong and mostly misses the point of the PG events. See example I gave above.
Maybe I'm trying to say that too many people get hung up on HS/travel ball stats. This isn't new, but anyone who has gone through the process knows that its one of the less relevant things in any given game or event in identifying college or pro talent.
Here's some stats that might(?) matter from an event - home runs (or extra base hits), strikeouts, walks. Not a whole lot more.
This site (I thought) was supposed to help younger parents understand what is really important on this journey. I'm trying to do that. I saw many parents focused on stats and get very confused when their .500 hitter got no college interest. Or very frustrated when they saw another HS hitter with a .200 average get a big ride at a D1 powerhouse. This scenario isn't routine, but it isn't abnormal either. If your son hits .500 at a PG event - enjoy it! But for goodness sakes don't give it one thought if they record it as .300. It just doesn't matter.
if you cannot process poor PG write ups and fake news you will have a hard time when your son is on a national stage. the press loves you one day and hates you the next. i decided to stay off social media, , websites and opinion based sites. they are just trying to make a buck and have no idea what is really going on.. let it slide
I was joking about the pitch categorizations, above, and yes there may be recordkeeping problems with Diamondkast (substitutions seem to be a particular problem), but I for one think the scout notes are awesome. It's really cool for the kids to read about themselves or players they know. And what's the downside? Same thing with PBR "comments" they publish about a player. It's mostly just reporting what happened ("Player X hit Y mph"), they don't really put negative stuff in it, and it's fun for the kids mentioned and those that know them and wish them well.
Also, same with tweets put out by PG, PBR, etc. It's fun for the kids highlighted. 
It seems to me when you start selling the stats, diamonkast, you have an obligation to get correct, does that sound like to much to ask?
PG is great, it is a money machine, it should absolutely do better when it charges extra.
Oh and for god sake let’s stop using first names, it sounds like a need to establish credibility due to knowing names....nobody cares. Post your opinion and move on like most of the rest of us.
old_school posted:Oh and for god sake let’s stop using first names, it sounds like a need to establish credibility due to knowing names....nobody cares. Post your opinion and move on like most of the rest of us.
Is this because I called justbaseball Tom who I have just about known for as long as your kid is in years?
That used to be the best about the HSBBW. Meeting people here then having our kids later cross paths or meeting their sons along the way.
How many people have you ever met from the HSBBW?
Anyway, I have a much better idea, that would be to think first before one posts the title of the topic!
Good move Wareagle, we all know that those words have negative connotations.
RoadRunner posted:justbaseball posted:wareagle posted:The title probably does come across pretty harsh. Long Hot day and it sounded good at the time. The content of the message is correct.
I thought this board was here to express opinions and ideas and get feed back. Excuse me if I was wrong. If I had an individual gripe then I might give PG a call, but this was more of just a general observation/frustration that I believe others share.
...and you're getting feedback. Or was your post meant to be a one-way street, i.e. you->PG? The truth (and feedback) is...the stats don't really matter.
I'm not a PG defender - far from it. But I'm giving you feedback that you're focused on a mostly irrelevant thing.
I love PG. and I really wish PGstaff still posted on this site. I truly cherished his expert opinions and advice. But if what what the 2 of you are saying is correct, in a nutshell, the stats are inaccurate and irrelevant, they why is PG wasting time and money providing it?
People will pay for it. It allows the marketing of various subscription levels.
Also, what goes on the scoreboard for velocity and pitch (fastball/curveball/etc) is not what is recorded in PG database. That is from trackman.
TPM posted:old_school posted:Oh and for god sake let’s stop using first names, it sounds like a need to establish credibility due to knowing names....nobody cares. Post your opinion and move on like most of the rest of us.
Because I called justbaseball Tom who I have known for as long as your kid is in years.
That used to be the best about the HSBBW. Meeting people here then having our kids later cross paths or meeting their sons along the way.
How many people have you ever met here?
About five last night. It was a 2020/21 pizza party.
Was hoping to meet TPM in florida couple weeks ago, but timing just didn’t work out. Hopefully next summer.
Through another esteemed board member, my son picked up on an out of state team last summer for almost a month. Played a couple with them this year. Just finished yesterday. I’ve met at least 15 families over the two summers, several I chat with monthly. A couple are coming back to Texas this fall to visit and get in a couple hunts. I may be coming up to Tennessee for some AT backpacking with a few others.
I even met this guy from this board and had long conversations with him. He is from CALIFORNIA! At first pass, he seems normal. Unbelievable!
I have met and talked to some of the board members many here may considered CRAZY! You may or may not be right.
Although getting to the NE will probably not happen, I do have RJM on my bucket list.
Off to play a team from Kansas City area. I make it a point to talk to other team parents.
Good for you!! This is why the HSBBW is awesome!
I know you by first name but dont want to get old school all upset!
