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This is probably a dumb questions but after looking at the PG rankings I am curious how kids who have never been to a showcase get ranked?  There are many kids with much better PG write-ups and results that aren't anywhere to be seen especially when you break it down to your state where you know all the players pretty well.  Is someone making contact on their behalf to PG and if so, is it a coach?  Also what does "high follow" mean?  It is surprising to see some of the kids that are listed and also surprising to see many who are not on there at all. Most of the kids we know who are having good recruiting activity already as sophomores are not listed anywhere.  I know it is early for these boys.  Sorry if this has been discussed before.  

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Carolina girl, I can't answer your question but I will give you my explanation of the rankings. You have the top 500 kids by number. Then is a top 1000 for #'s 501-1000.  Next is "high follow" which would be #'s 1001-1999. Then is your "follow" which would be #'s 2000-2999. I think this is accurate. Maybe PG Staff will respond and correct me if I am wrong and possibly answer your other questions.

Like younggun, I can only offer my understanding, but here goes:

 

Especially as freshmen and sophomores in HS, the kids who are ranked (or listed as "High Follow" or "Follow") are pretty much exclusively kids who have attended PG tournaments or showcases.  Older kids, that isn't always so; PG will seek out and attempt to rank kids who are on scouts' and recruiters' radar, or better yet will try to find a way to get them to a PG event.  Players and their abilities change a lot over their four years of high school, and can move up or down, or even in or out of the rankings.  The closer a player is to graduation, BY FAR the more accurate the ranking.

 

if a player has a PG grade, it is almost always because they have been to a PG Showcase, at least early in the process. Many kids who are ranked have not been to a Showcase, but they've played at one or more of the more prestigious PG tournaments, and have been seen by PG scouts over many games playing against fairly well-known, top-level competition.  My personal opinion, if I were to trust one thing - PG grade, or PG ranking - if a kid has been to a fair number of top tournaments, I would ALWAYS trust the ranking more.  The competition is better, and the opportunity to see a kid play is exponentially larger with each tournament attended.

 

I understand the rankings to be pretty much as younggun explained them, except that the kids ranked 500 to 1000 won't be limited necessarily to just 500 kids, nor will there be only a certain number of "High Follows" followed by a certain number of "Follows."  I recall seeing a PG article (or maybe even PGStaff here) explaining that long ago, PG realized that the distinctions between a player ranked 500, and another ranked (say) 614 were far less than the difference between those numbers made it appear.  In fact, there might be 600 kids who are all of roughly equal ability, though slightly below the top 500 players who get a specific rank (probably more for the sake of tradition than because it is any easier to draw distinctions between #201 and #401 than it is between #501 and #701), and they may ALL get a "Top 500" rank.  The next "tier" of players, which again is less defined by how many of them there are than how similarly their ability at the next level is projected to be, get a "Top 1000" rating.  After that, the "High Follows" and after that the "Follows."  

 

There is no formal "ranking" below "Follow" but that doesn't mean they don't have the potential to play in college or to be drafted.  I have seen unranked players with PG grades of 7-8 (which by their own scale indicates a player with the potential to be a D1 player or mid-to-late round MLB draft pick).  Again, not that often by the time a player is a done with his Junior year or by the beginning of his Senior year, but I'm sure it happens.

 

I'm not sure how PG would compare the various levels of rankings to PG grades.  Obviously, if a player is specifically ranked, or is given a "Top 500" ranking, they are most likely at least an 8-9 on the PG Grade Scale (9 is a "Potential top 10 round pick, Top DI prospect"; the top 10 rounds will go 350 or so players deep including compensation and supplemental rounds) if not higher.  I wouldn't think any ranked player would be less than a 7 ("Potential low round pick, DI prospect or top level Juco, DII"), at least the "High Follows."

 

With all that said, remember, this is a very subjective exercise.  The kids in our region that I know well, they're a bit all over the map.  PG generally (IMHO) gets the Top 500 guys right, but the difference between guys marked "High Follow" and "Top 1000" is murky, at best, and I find myself as often thinking "I'd switch those rankings" when looking at two players in those categories as I do agreeing with the ranking.  I think that's just the nature of the beast.

 

Bottom line: if you know a player who has ANY kind of PG ranking, that's a good thing.

Lots of helpful information.  Thank you.  On the PG website, it says to recommend a player send an email to .... and it gives an email address. Do travel ball coaches or high school coaches email recommendations?  All of the boys I am thinking of have played many PG tournaments and had great write-ups on their performances.  In another thread it talked about having an advocate for your son.  Do you ask your son's advocate to send a recommendation if they think he is worthy?

 

Honestly, that's a question best left for PGStaff to answer.   I have some involvement with a team that goes to a lot of high-end PG events, and I know that our head coach does communicate with PG about players.  However - and I may be wrong about this - I think that is mostly in response to inquiries by PG first, not the other way around, and those players likely would have played in one or more PG tournaments.  In the case of my own son (who played with that team before I ever got involved), when he showed up ranked (beginning of sophomore year) this coach specifically told me he had not pushed for my son's inclusion and whatever he did to get PG's notice he did on his own.  But by then, he had been to two high-end PG events (PG World Series and Underclass) with teams that have done well there - and has since been to three more (another WS, Jupiter, and recently the MLK, which his team won).  Winning definitely creates buzz, and puts more eyeballs on you.

 

If I had to guess, I'd bet there ARE coaches contacting PG to advocate for players, and at a certain tipping point of enough trusted coaches or scouts pushing a kid, it probably makes a difference, or at least creates a buzz.  But in the end, I really doubt PG would rank a kid before they have a chance to see him with their own people, preferably at one of the higher-end tournaments (and in general tournaments over showcases) and the more, the better.

 

If you ask one of the college coaches or scouts around here, I'm sure that while they will give due credit to the job PG does, whether a kid is ranked or not doesn't change their job, and they still have to make up their own minds about a player's potential.  A good PG Grade or ranking might cause a coach or scout to look for a kid, and PG tournaments are STILL one of the best opportunities for them to do that efficiently, but in the end, the ranking that matters most is theirs, not PG's.  Personally, if your player has a good advocate, I'd spend more time on those people.

 

If the players you are worried about are going to good tournaments (PG and regional) that are attended by most of the area scouts and major colleges in your area, and they are playing on good teams with the best teammates (preferably some who are ranked and "on the radar" - if they come to see those kids, they'll notice others who perform well too) and competition they can handle and still get playing time, they should be OK.

 

I think.  :-) 

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I know this is a bit controversial, and although I love everything Perfect Game stands for, I've asked this question before without response: PG shows the complete history of almost everything else, so why not rankings?

 

I believe it's because rankings DO change so dramatically -- and displaying history would make that perfectly clear. Not the Top 10 perhaps, but I suspect even there, 3 or 4 new names wind up there when it matters.

 

PG wants, and needs, to get the rankings for graduating HS seniors right -- within six months of the draft. And they do a hell of a job. Kudos.

 

But two or three years out? Not so much. And how could they? Who can??

 

If they had it mastered, it seems they wouldn't delete the history -- and instead go with arrows moving players up or down.

 

Does that make sense? It's not a shot; I fully understand it. It's just that I think we all need to be clear: Rankings change a LOT as boys grow from 15 to 18

 

Originally Posted by jp24:

I know this is a bit controversial, and although I love everything Perfect Game stands for, I've asked this question before without response: PG shows the complete history of almost everything else, so why not rankings?

 

I believe it's because rankings DO change so dramatically -- and displaying history would make that perfectly clear. Not the Top 10 perhaps, but I suspect even there, 3 or 4 new names wind up there when it matters.

 

PG wants, and needs, to get the rankings for graduating HS seniors right -- within six months of the draft. And they do a hell of a job. Kudos.

 

But two or three years out? Not so much. And how could they? Who can??

 

If they had it mastered, it seems they wouldn't delete the history -- and instead go with arrows moving players up or down.

 

Does that make sense? It's not a shot; I fully understand it. It's just that I think we all need to be clear: Rankings change a LOT as boys grow from 15 to 18

 

I don't think I would show this if I ran PG.  Why would I?  Rankings change for all kinds of reasons - kids grow up, kids level off, new kids coming onto the radar, etc.  And yes, perhaps prior rankings were wrong.  But who is it helping to publish that stuff?  The kids?  I don't think so.  And the target of big changes would obviously be PG.  Who would gain from this except your curiosity?

Originally Posted by jp24:

I know this is a bit controversial, and although I love everything Perfect Game stands for, I've asked this question before without response: PG shows the complete history of almost everything else, so why not rankings?

I have no clue as to the inner workings of Perfect Game, but I don't mind speculating. I would think that most kids are only going to drop in ranking over time, as new talented prospects are discovered. There are lots of talented kids who aren't as connected to the whole process, so they take longer to be noticed. So, does it serve any purpose to log another kid's descent down the rankings as more players are added?  He may still be improving, he's just swimming in a bigger pool.

Originally Posted by Smitty28:
Originally Posted by jp24:

I know this is a bit controversial, and although I love everything Perfect Game stands for, I've asked this question before without response: PG shows the complete history of almost everything else, so why not rankings?

 

I believe it's because rankings DO change so dramatically -- and displaying history would make that perfectly clear. Not the Top 10 perhaps, but I suspect even there, 3 or 4 new names wind up there when it matters.

 

PG wants, and needs, to get the rankings for graduating HS seniors right -- within six months of the draft. And they do a hell of a job. Kudos.

 

But two or three years out? Not so much. And how could they? Who can??

 

If they had it mastered, it seems they wouldn't delete the history -- and instead go with arrows moving players up or down.

 

Does that make sense? It's not a shot; I fully understand it. It's just that I think we all need to be clear: Rankings change a LOT as boys grow from 15 to 18

 

I don't think I would show this if I ran PG.  Why would I?  Rankings change for all kinds of reasons - kids grow up, kids level off, new kids coming onto the radar, etc.  And yes, perhaps prior rankings were wrong.  But who is it helping to publish that stuff?  The kids?  I don't think so.  And the target of big changes would obviously be PG.  Who would gain from this except your curiosity?

Smitty -- I hear ya. But if that's true (and I believe it is) what's the real upside to even having rankings so far out?

Originally Posted by MidAtlanticDad:
Originally Posted by jp24:

I know this is a bit controversial, and although I love everything Perfect Game stands for, I've asked this question before without response: PG shows the complete history of almost everything else, so why not rankings?

I have no clue as to the inner workings of Perfect Game, but I don't mind speculating. I would think that most kids are only going to drop in ranking over time, as new talented prospects are discovered. There are lots of talented kids who aren't as connected to the whole process, so they take longer to be noticed. So, does it serve any purpose to log another kid's descent down the rankings as more players are added?  He may still be improving, he's just swimming in a bigger pool.

So was it fair to that young man to make him believe he was better than he was when he was ranked? The pool size hasn't really changed; it's just that more swimmers have entered.

 

And btw -- one of the things I believe separates PG from the wannabe's is that they don't focus on how boys will FEEL. They call them as they see them.

 

Again, I understand all this. I just think there needs to be more transparency, or lose the way-out rankings altogether. Make sense?

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Originally Posted by jp24:
Originally Posted by Smitty28:
Originally Posted by jp24:

I know this is a bit controversial, and although I love everything Perfect Game stands for, I've asked this question before without response: PG shows the complete history of almost everything else, so why not rankings?

 

I believe it's because rankings DO change so dramatically -- and displaying history would make that perfectly clear. Not the Top 10 perhaps, but I suspect even there, 3 or 4 new names wind up there when it matters.

 

PG wants, and needs, to get the rankings for graduating HS seniors right -- within six months of the draft. And they do a hell of a job. Kudos.

 

But two or three years out? Not so much. And how could they? Who can??

 

If they had it mastered, it seems they wouldn't delete the history -- and instead go with arrows moving players up or down.

 

Does that make sense? It's not a shot; I fully understand it. It's just that I think we all need to be clear: Rankings change a LOT as boys grow from 15 to 18

 

I don't think I would show this if I ran PG.  Why would I?  Rankings change for all kinds of reasons - kids grow up, kids level off, new kids coming onto the radar, etc.  And yes, perhaps prior rankings were wrong.  But who is it helping to publish that stuff?  The kids?  I don't think so.  And the target of big changes would obviously be PG.  Who would gain from this except your curiosity?

Smitty -- I hear ya. But if that's true (and I believe it is) what's the real upside to even having rankings so far out?

The upside is to the customer - i.e., the kid that paid to attend the event.  I think he'd like to know where he stands.  And I'm pretty sure he'll remember how his ranking changes over time even if PG doesn't publish it.

I believe others here have explained how the rankings work. Let me address the past rankings.

 

I don't know this for sure, but I think any past rankings can be looked up by using the way back time machine.

 

I'm not sure how we would show every list, because every list is updated often.  From sophomore thru senior year the list might change a hundred or more times.  Periodically we do a major update, usually after big events, but the rankings can change from day to day.

 

Our major goal is always geared towards getting it as accurate as possible by each June for the graduating class.  Obviously that would be the most accurate list because we know and have seen the players a lot more.

 

The younger age rankings do change the most.  I like to think they are still very accurate regarding the players listed.  However, over time we see many more players and several of those players get ranked accordingly.  Often, people want to know why their son has moved down in the rankings.  The simple answer is... It's not that we think they are less talented, it's because we saw other players that we felt should be ranked higher.

 

Anyway, I know this has been discussed before.  I need to check with our tech guys to see how this might be done.  One of the problems is a person could spend a whole year on our site without seeing everything.  For all I know you might be able to search and find past rankings now.  It's not like we are intentionally hiding them.  After all, I could make an argument that they were extremely accurate at the time they were posted, even compared to more current lists.  Of course it's possible that a #15 in 2012 might now be #65.  #15 now might be someone we didn't even know about in 2012. But if #15 is now #65 three years later, that is pretty darn good.

 

We often change our mind even on the #1 player in his class during the year. Bottom line, we are the only one to rank those younger classes, because no one else sees as many of them.  It is pretty easy to see that those younger class rankings get a huge following.  I can't give exact numbers, but I can say this... When a young player is up there in our rankings he becomes well known by college recruiters throughout the nation. He will not have to market himself, send out emails to coaches, or hire a recruiting service.  The recruiters will be after him. Agents will know about him. He will be invited to all the best events.  And the scouting community will have him on a follow list.  It's just the way it works.

 

One other thing... Every June, right after the draft, we hold our National Showcase. The history of that event is available on the PG site.  Every player, every draft pick, every college commitment.  Think about this... We are well on our way to inviting the players for this year's showcase.  The players are currently just starting their Junior season in high school.  So we have to figure out who most of the top players are BEFORE their junior year.  Obviously this is mostly done using our rankings.

 

Now, if you are interested, go look at the past National Showcase history. You will be able to search it year by year.  Then determine for yourself, if we have been very accurate in knowing who the top underclass players are.

 

Guess my point in all of this is we don't take ranking players lightly.  We know what kind of impact it can have.  We don't pull names out of a hat.  But we do have to see them at some point.  It's not easy and it's not something anyone else can do. What people don't realize is that PG has the largest scouting staff of any organization in baseball, that includes the MLB clubs.  If there is a top prospect playing anywhere in the country today, there is a good chance that a PG scout will be there. For the most part we are glued in on the underclassmen at this point. After all, the senior class is pretty much done other than making adjustments in the rankings.  

 

I appreciate suggestions, we aren't perfect, there is always room to get better.  I do think sometimes people don't understand how difficult things can be.  We certainly don't want anyone thinking we are hiding anything.  We are in a business where you find out you're wrong at times.  I have no problem people knowing I'm wrong at times. Sometimes it makes me feel good we were wrong about a player.  Tells me that player that proved us wrong is special.  Look the MLB draft has proven mistakes are made frequently. Perfection doesn't exist.

JP, I believe you raise a fair question on the history/transparency of rankings, but I have a different take on this.  

 

First, if you have ever attempted to rank players, even at a local level - and forget about all the issues of doing so publicly, with all the negative feedback and questioning that entails - then you have an appreciation for how difficult PG's task is.  You find yourself wondering about a hundred different variables you can't really know without watching a kid a whole lot more than anybody is practically able to, and wanting to know a lot more about the kid and what makes him tick.  And PG is doing it publicly, and nationwide, all of which makes it thousands of times more difficult than just about any ranking anybody else has ever attempted.  They have my utmost respect...and as I said before, I think they get things mostly right.  Even with the lists for the young guys, which I think everybody understands aren't as populated as they will be by Jr/Sr year.  

 

So I don't think anybody is crushed if/when they move down; most, I think, understand how it works.  In my son's own experience, while he may privately feel he is as good as some who are ranked higher than he is, mostly he never thinks about it, and is just happy he is ranked at all.

 

I recognize not everybody feels this way, and some may be disappointed if they aren't ranked, or with where they are ranked relative to others, or when they move down.  But that brings me to my different take:  to the extent some ARE disappointed, isn't that a result of the false precision implied in rankings of this sort?  I think PG mostly agrees with me, as they have moved away from specific numerical rankings outside of the first 500, listing just "tiers" of Top 500, Top 1000, High Follow, and Follow below that.

 

I understand the marketing impact of wanting to have a specific numerical ranking for at least some number of the top players.  It brings interest and eyeballs.  But beyond a number that I believe should be much smaller than 500 (maybe 50 or 100, with a clear understanding that the differences between ranked players and even two or three adjacent "tiers" is very small and movement between them is both natural and to be expected) and maybe more "tiers" after that than exist now.  That way, most players wouldn't move much: they'd generally remain within their "tier," maybe they move between 2-3 adjacent tiers once they settle in and the numbers of players PG gets to see in their Class gets to be of a reasonable size.

 

If it were me, I'd probably limit the numerical rankings to the Top 100 (or 1-99) That represents guys who are probably very good candidates to be Top Three Round MLB picks.  I think top three rounds carries a little more prestige than top five or ten, which to some extent the next couple of "tiers" might represent. After that, I'd label an unspecified number of kids (but probably no more than a 100-150 at a time) "Top 100" players.  Again, this is out of respect for the difficulty in drawing such precise distinctions as numerical rankings imply among a group of players who project very similarly.  Generally, you don't move a player out of a tier unless it grows to be too big a group or the talent gap between the top and bottom of the tier (which would only be visible internally, or maybe publicly as "top third of tier" or "middle third of tier," etc.) grows to be too wide.  

 

Then I'd have a similar tier at Top 250, Top 500, Top 750, and Top 1000, with the same High Follow and Follow categories below that.

 

You'd see more better (but less falsely specific) distinctions between more meaningful "tiers" of players this way, especially among guys who are kind of "middle round" draft types of prospects, with less publicly visible movement of player rankings in those tiers. If they wanted to, PG could still put an up arrow next to kids - even for those who are not moving up to a higher tier - to indicate progress and a positive impression the last time they saw a kid.

 

Just my opinion....  To the extent rankings movement causes false impressions or bad feelings, it is IMO almost solely a result of the numbers creating a false impression of greater distinctions between players than there really are.  Moving away from numbers, but keeping some kind of ranked tiers that mean something would be an improvement and IMO would address JP's concerns.

 

 

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Not  a bad idea at all, Edgerfan.

 

We actually feel fairly comfortable with a higher number than top 100, but that number fluxuates from one year to the next.  Usually it is somewhere in the 200s where it gets a bit confusing. Truth is there are a large number of players that are hard to choose between.  Because of that we went to the current system.  People will notice that the top 500 includes well over 500 players.  That is because they all have a lot of talent, but nearly impossible to say player A has more talent than player B. Both are good enough however to include in the top 500. Same goes for top 1,000 or high follow or follow.

 

As most of us know there are very many talented kids in the country.  Without knowing things like desire, toughness, persistence, etc. there is no way of separating them with an exact number.

 

Edgarfan brings up some good points. We actually try to separate players in FIVES, before finalizing them, but the players change from one group of 5 to another constantly. and of course they change within their group of 5 also.

 

We have found this makes things a bit easier if not more accurate.  It's easier to look at one group of 5 players and see they might be a bit ahead of another group of 5.

 

In the end, all our people are involved in making suggestions on any player. 

In my opinion, the fact that PG Staff takes the time to come on a message board and offer his time and expertise blows my mind. I cannot believe he would need to defend the way he runs his business, but he thinks enough of this forum to do so. I would think that most people on this site are similar to me. They watch their son's 25-40 high school games (65-75 for college guys) then maybe another 50 or so summer and fall games. Maybe some players play more than that in the summer and fall but surely noore than 100. So we see 150 games at most. Even if you really LOVE baseball, which I do, you may see some other college games. My point is very few of us watch more than 200 games in an entire year. I have NO idea how many games PG watches, but I would bet its WAY more than that number. Also, he sees 1000s of other kids through video. He has to be infinitely more qualified to judge potential talent than me. Yes I can look at rankings and think my son should be higher than so and so. Maybe I do know a handful of kids on the list personally, but I am certain Jerry has seen even those kids more times than I have. I have no ties to PG but I think what they undertake is an enormous task. Their record clearly speaks for itself. PG doesn't need me on here defending him but I, for one, am grateful that he even cares enough to post here. I know I wouldn't be the least bit interested in others opinions if I were in his shoes. I sure wouldn't want to come home after work only to look on the computer and see where the way I go about my business is critiqued. Maybe I am in the minority on this point. Not trying to take anyone to task just expressing my feeble opinion.

I wouldn't want to lose the rankings either, I totally understand how they do it and I think it is as accurate as it can be at that time with what information they have gathered so far. PG frequently mentions how they could be off at times, and I know a few things play into that, so I wont hold that against them either.

 I have access to some old scouting reports on some guys in MLB, it is really interesting what professional scouts have said about Jeter, Griffey, Chipper and others back in high school. Can you picture Jeter in left field the last 19 years? The more a kid is seen the better chance he will have of showing his tools and drawing some interest.

jp sorry that i offended you.  I assure you that wasn't my intention.  You are not the only one to post on this topic.  I was not responding to anyone in particular.  My point was that it is more than gracious that PG would take time out of his day to even post on a message board.  I am not trying to interpret anyone's post or opinion.  Sorry my post came across that way.

I too did not mean to offend or even imply criticism of PG, and I really don't think anybody said anything that would offend Jerry or anybody at PG.  I really have nothing but respect and admiration for everything they do at PG; if my comments above are taken as criticism, I hope it is viewed as constructive criticism.

 

I do agree with younggun about how lucky we are that PGStaff cares enough about the HSBBWeb and the people on it that he actively participates in discussions here - and is so open and responsive about questions and topics involving PG.  I think I speak for EVERYONE when I say thank you, Jerry.

 

BTW, I found your response to my ideas for more "tiering" of the rankings really interesting and substantive.  Whatever the usual number where "it gets a bit confusing" (200? 250?) that's probably a good place to start the "tiering" idea if it is an appealing one.  200 is a decent proxy for the first 5 round draft (including supplemental and compensation rounds/picks) talent, 500 is a decent proxy for first 10-12 round talent and 750 to 1000 is a decent proxy for rounds 15-20.  Not that those represent anything like guarantees....  I guess my mind just works in ways where I find it easier to accept uncertainties in a process like this by lumping players into groups, but again, that's not to say I find ANYTHING wrong with the way things are, just suggesting a different way of approaching it, and maybe one that might generate fewer questions.

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Originally Posted by younggun:

jp sorry that i offended you.  I assure you that wasn't my intention.  You are not the only one to post on this topic.  I was not responding to anyone in particular.  My point was that it is more than gracious that PG would take time out of his day to even post on a message board.  I am not trying to interpret anyone's post or opinion.  Sorry my post came across that way.

No worries. And of course it's cool that Jerry jumps in. We take it for granted, but it's huge.

 

But to be clear: As much as I respect and value Perfect Game, as Jerry says, it's a continuous process of improvement. I just challenge the value of posting ever-changing national rankings three years out to begin with -- but believe that if they elect to do so, the History should be included. That's all.

It's a fair criticism to some extent, JP, but I don't know how PG can put together some of their national and regional invitational showcases without going through that process. As PGStaff said, for the June National Showcase, they have to identify guys who are likely to be top draft prospects before they play a single HS game in their Junior year.  Rankings are an integral part of that identification process.  I'm actually surprised that they do so consistently well based on essentially a year-and-a-half's worth of evaluation of a Class.

 

You might argue that the rankings could be done internally until Junior year, but I'd counter that making the rankings public adds an element of accountability that improves the process and makes it more likely that they identify the right players.

Originally Posted by EdgarFan:

It's a fair criticism to some extent, JP, but I don't know how PG can put together some of their national and regional invitational showcases without going through that process. As PGStaff said, for the June National Showcase, they have to identify guys who are likely to be top draft prospects before they play a single HS game in their Junior year.  Rankings are an integral part of that identification process.  I'm actually surprised that they do so consistently well based on essentially a year-and-a-half's worth of evaluation of a Class.

 

You might argue that the rankings could be done internally until Junior year, but I'd counter that making the rankings public adds an element of accountability that improves the process and makes it more likely that they identify the right players.

It is also good marketing that creates a buzz and draws kids/parents into signing up for events in hopes of improving their rankings.  Although one is not required to attend an event in order to be ranked, it definitely helps to become ranked and to maintain one's ranking.

I actually love suggestions and even complaints are OK.  It just depends on who, what and why.  When it is a new poster and their very first post or two is a complaint about PG my alarm system goes off.  It has happened a lot over the years.  In fact, at one point Julie discovered the poster cutting down PG was employed by a competing business.

 

I've had debates with lots of people who have been involved here for a long time.  I respect those people, they don't have an agenda, they just have an opinion.  Sometimes those opinions are valid.  There are a lot of good people on this site and unfortunately we have lost some over the years.  

 

I think it is fine to question what we do and why we do things.  No one in this thread has been disrespectful.  

 

Someone wants to see previous rankings, maybe lots of people would be interested in that.  I am talking to some in our building to figure out how to make that available.  I actually want it to happen because I think it will be a positive for us.  So it's actually a good idea all the way around.

Originally Posted by PGStaff:

I am talking to some in our building to figure out how to make that available.  I actually want it to happen because I think it will be a positive for us.  So it's actually a good idea all the way around.

OK Jerry, since you're actually considering a change, I'll throw this idea into the mix. You could add the denominator at the time the ranking was set, similar to the way academic rankings are done. For example, a player might fall from #300 to #350, but he's still in the top 20%. Just a thought. I enjoy following the rankings regardless.

PGStaff, I have a question about the rankings (actually two):  

 

(1) When ranking players, is there any consideration for what position the player occupies on the defensive spectrum, and the relative scarcity/value of certain positions (i.e., all else being equal, up-the-middle defenders over corner guys, LHP over RHP, that sort of thing) relative to others?  It seems from just looking at the rankings that is not done much and that projectability and perceived ability to succeed at the next level is emphasized, BUT that when doing draft prospect projections, more consideration is given to these things.  Is that accurate?

 

(2) As somebody who plays a small role in trying to rank players regionally (privately, for the purpose of inviting players to play on teams that play in high-end tournaments like yours), I am intrigued by your comment about grouping players in fives as a way to more easily figure out where they generally belong.  How did this process and coming to that number for grouping players evolve?  Can you expand a bit on how that kind of grouping helps the process and why the number 5 is better than, say, 7 or 10 (or any other number you guys may have used)?  

 

Thanks in advance for answering, if you can.  I completely understand if that is something about the process you consider proprietary or don't want to share, as well....

Edgarfan,

 

We actually separate in larger numbers then separate those by 5.  Then we separate the 5 players 1 thru 5.  Any number could be used but usually 5 does a good job of separating groups, top 5, next 5, and so on.  No real science involved, just the way we do it.  If you have 100 groups of 5 that are in order 1 thru 5, you have the rankings once you figure out where the 1 thru 100 groups fit.

 

I'm going to post something in a bit, I took our current 2014 rankings (part of it anyway) and looked up where all those players were ranked as sophomores.  I will try to get it up shortly. see if this is the kind of stuff that JP is looking for.

 

Carolina Girl,

 

I sure didn't take your post as being negative. We take all emails seriously and we do view video.

It has been suggested that I don’t do this because the rankings are actually supposed to be for subscribers only.  However, our rankings change so often it doesn’t much matter.  In fact, we are updating the rankings again next week.  Even a new #1

 

I’m not sure how well this will copy, but hopefully good enough.  NR means they were not ranked by us as sophomores.  You will notice more than one #500, that is because there are several players ranked 500.

 

I haven’t studied this to have any thoughts.  Some might see it as extremely accurate, others might not. I only did the current top 100 for adding unranked when they were sophomores. There are about 30 players in the current top 100 that we didn’t know about or we  didn’t rank when they were sophomores.

 

At first glance, there are only a couple of players we had ranked in the top 250 in 2012 that are no longer in the rankings. You will see many cases where players have moved up and many where they have moved down.  Usually the down movement is simply because we have seen thousands of players since the first ranking.  Obviously lots of those players are extremely talented as you can tell by looking at the top 100. That said, more than half of the current top 100 were ranked in the top 100 2 years ago.

 

I have talked to our tech guys and they will be adding past rankings to the site.  It is not as easy as some might think because everything is database driven.  So our IT guys have to do some work.  Problem is they have several jobs they need to finish first.  Thanks for all the suggestions.

 

Current

2012

Player

Pos

HS

Hometown

    ST

Current

2012

Player

Pos

HS

Hometown

ST

     

1

3

Nicholas Gordon

SS RHP

Olympia

Windermere

FL

1

3

Nicholas Gordon

SS RHP

Olympia

Windermere

FL

     

2

14

Michael Gettys

OF RHP

Gainesville

Gainesville

GA

2

14

Michael Gettys

OF RHP

Gainesville

Gainesville

GA

     

3

1

Alex Jackson

C 3B

Rancho Bernardo

Escondido

CA

3

1

Alex Jackson

C 3B

Rancho Bernardo

Escondido

CA

     

4

101

Tyler Kolek

RHP

Shepherd

Shepherd

TX

4

101

Tyler Kolek

RHP

Shepherd

Shepherd

TX

     

5

NR

Kodi Medeiros

LHP

Waiakea

Hilo

HI

5

NR

Kodi Medeiros

LHP

Waiakea

Hilo

HI

     

6

45

Grant Holmes

RHP OF

Conway

Conway

SC

6

45

Grant Holmes

RHP OF

Conway

Conway

SC

     

7

111

Sean Reid-Foley

RHP

Sandalwood

Jacksonville

FL

7

111

Sean Reid-Foley

RHP

Sandalwood

Jacksonville

FL

     

8

103

Luis Ortiz

RHP 1B

Sanger

Fresno

CA

8

103

Luis Ortiz

RHP 1B

Sanger

Fresno

CA

     

9

4

Jacob Gatewood

SS

Clovis

Clovis

CA

9

4

Jacob Gatewood

SS

Clovis

Clovis

CA

     

10

2

Touki Toussaint

RHP UT

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Coral Springs

FL

10

2

Touki Toussaint

RHP UT

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Coral Springs

FL

     

11

11

Braxton Davidson

OF LHP

T C Roberson

Arden

NC

11

11

Braxton Davidson

OF LHP

T C Roberson

Arden

NC

     

12

27

Michael Chavis

3B 3B

Sprayberry

Marietta

GA

12

27

Michael Chavis

3B 3B

Sprayberry

Marietta

GA

     

13

59

Cobi Johnson

RHP

James W. Mitchell

Holiday

FL

13

59

Cobi Johnson

RHP

James W. Mitchell

Holiday

FL

     

14

78

Dylan Cease

RHP

Milton

Milton

GA

14

78

Dylan Cease

RHP

Milton

Milton

GA

     

15

222

Scott Blewett

RHP

Charles W Baker

Baldwinsville

NY

15

222

Scott Blewett

RHP

Charles W Baker

Baldwinsville

NY

     

16

17

Zach Shannon

1B RHP

Anderson

Cincinnati

OH

16

17

Zach Shannon

1B RHP

Anderson

Cincinnati

OH

     

17

55

Alex Verdugo

LHP LHP

Sahuaro

Tucson

AZ

17

55

Alex Verdugo

LHP LHP

Sahuaro

Tucson

AZ

     

18

10

Jack Flaherty

SS

Harvard-Westlake

Burbank

CA

18

10

Jack Flaherty

SS

Harvard-Westlake

Burbank

CA

     

19

18

Gregory Deichmann

SS

Brother Martin

Metairie

LA

19

18

Gregory Deichmann

SS

Brother Martin

Metairie

LA

     

20

68

Mac Marshall

LHP OF

Parkview

Lilburn

GA

20

68

Mac Marshall

LHP OF

Parkview

Lilburn

GA

     

21

56

Marcus Wilson

OF

Junipero Serra

Los Angeles

CA

21

56

Marcus Wilson

OF

Junipero Serra

Los Angeles

CA

     

22

53

Ti'quan Forbes

SS RHP

Columbia

Columbia

MS

22

53

Ti'quan Forbes

SS RHP

Columbia

Columbia

MS

     

23

7

Justus Sheffield

LHP OF

Tullahoma

Tullahoma

TN

23

7

Justus Sheffield

LHP OF

Tullahoma

Tullahoma

TN

     

24

43

Brady Aiken

LHP

Cathedral Catholic

Cardiff by the Sea

CA

24

43

Brady Aiken

LHP

Cathedral Catholic

Cardiff by the Sea

CA

     

25

NR

Foster Griffin

LHP

The First Academy

Orlando

FL

25

NR

Foster Griffin

LHP

The First Academy

Orlando

FL

     

26

67

Keith Weisenberg

RHP 3B

Osceola

Seminole

FL

26

67

Keith Weisenberg

RHP 3B

Osceola

Seminole

FL

     

27

NR

Forrest Wall

MIF

Orangewood Christian

Winter Park

FL

27

NR

Forrest Wall

MIF

Orangewood Christian

Winter Park

FL

     

28

47

Jakson Reetz

C

Norris

Hickman

NE

28

47

Jakson Reetz

C

Norris

Hickman

NE

     

29

85

Jon Littell

OF

Stillwater

Stillwater

OK

29

85

Jon Littell

OF

Stillwater

Stillwater

OK

     

30

12

Justin Smith

OF 3B,RHP

Bartram Trail

St. Johns

FL

30

12

Justin Smith

OF 3B,RHP

Bartram Trail

St. Johns

FL

     

31

NR

Milton Ramos

MIF

American Heritage

Hiealea

FL

31

NR

Milton Ramos

MIF

American Heritage

Hiealea

FL

     

32

16

Stone Garrett

OF

George Ranch

Sugar Land

TX

32

16

Stone Garrett

OF

George Ranch

Sugar Land

TX

     

33

60

Derek Hill

OF

Elk Grove

Sacramento

CA

33

60

Derek Hill

OF

Elk Grove

Sacramento

CA

     

34

6

Gareth Morgan

OF

North Toronto   Collegiate

Toronto

ON

34

6

Gareth Morgan

OF

North Toronto   Collegiate

Toronto

ON

     

35

NR

Shane Benes

3B

Westminster   Christian Academy

Town and Country

MO

35

NR

Shane Benes

3B

Westminster   Christian Academy

Town and Country

MO

     

36

28

Kel Johnson

OF 1B

Homeschool

Palmetto

GA

36

28

Kel Johnson

OF 1B

Homeschool

Palmetto

GA

     

37

58

Keaton McKinney

RHP

Ankeny

Ankeny

IA

37

58

Keaton McKinney

RHP

Ankeny

Ankeny

IA

     

38

126

Alex Destino

LHP

North Buncombe

Weaverville

NC

38

126

Alex Destino

LHP

North Buncombe

Weaverville

NC

     

39

20

David Peterson

LHP

Regis Jesuit

Denver

CO

39

20

David Peterson

LHP

Regis Jesuit

Denver

CO

     

40

NR

Trenton Kemp

OF

Buchanan

Clovis

CA

40

NR

Trenton Kemp

OF

Buchanan

Clovis

CA

     

      41

76

Monte Harrison

OF

Lee`s Summit West

Lee's Summit

MO

41

76

Monte Harrison

OF

Lee`s Summit West

Lee's Summit

MO

     

42

115

Jake Godfrey

RHP

Providence Catholic   High Schoo

New Lenox

IL

42

115

Jake Godfrey

RHP

Providence Catholic   High Schoo

New Lenox

IL

     

43

248

Reese Cooley

OF

Fleming Island

Orange Park

FL

43

248

Reese Cooley

OF

Fleming Island

Orange Park

FL

     

44

9

Michael Kopech

RHP

Mt Pleasant

Mount Pleasant

TX

44

9

Michael Kopech

RHP

Mt Pleasant

Mount Pleasant

TX

     

45

24

Cameron Varga

RHP RHP

Cincinatti Hills   Christian Academy

Loveland

OH

45

24

Cameron Varga

RHP RHP

Cincinatti Hills   Christian Academy

Loveland

OH

     

46

NR

Devon Fisher

C 3B

Western Branch

Portsmouth

VA

46

NR

Devon Fisher

C 3B

Western Branch

Portsmouth

VA

     

47

134

Joseph Gatto

RHP 1B

St Augustine   Preparatory

Hammonton

NJ

47

134

Joseph Gatto

RHP 1B

St Augustine   Preparatory

Hammonton

NJ

     

48

34

Scott Hurst

OF

Bishop Amat

Glendora

CA

48

34

Scott Hurst

OF

Bishop Amat

Glendora

CA

     

49

NR

Donald   "DJ" Peters

OF

Glendora

Glendora

CA

49

NR

Donald   "DJ" Peters

OF

Glendora

Glendora

CA

     

50

143

JJ Schwarz

C RHP

Palm Beach Gardens

Palm Beach Gardens

FL

50

143

JJ Schwarz

C RHP

Palm Beach Gardens

Palm Beach Gardens

FL

     

51

82

Bryce Carter

C OF

Cascia Hall Preparatory

Tulsa

OK

51

82

Bryce Carter

C OF

Cascia Hall   Preparatory

Tulsa

OK

     

52

35

Josh Morgan

SS

Orange County   Lutheran

Corona

CA

52

35

Josh Morgan

SS

Orange County   Lutheran

Corona

CA

     

53

NR

Alexis Pantojas

SS

Puerto Rico Baseball   Academy and

Vega Alta

PR

53

NR

Alexis Pantojas

SS

Puerto Rico Baseball   Academy and

Vega Alta

PR

     

54

73

Carl Chester

OF UT

Lake Brantley

Longwood

FL

54

73

Carl Chester

OF UT

Lake Brantley

Longwood

FL

     

55

NR

Chase Vallot

C

St Thomas More

Youngsville

LA

55

NR

Chase Vallot

C

St Thomas More

Youngsville

LA

     

56

54

Tate Blackman

SS

Lake Brantley

Altamonte Springs

FL

56

54

Tate Blackman

SS

Lake Brantley

Altamonte Springs

FL

     

57

172

Devin Smeltzer

LHP OF

Bishop Eustace Prep

Voorhees

NJ

57

172

Devin Smeltzer

LHP OF

Bishop Eustace Prep

Voorhees

NJ

     

58

152

Darius Day

OF OF

Simeon Career   Academy

Chicago

IL

58

152

Darius Day

OF OF

Simeon Career   Academy

Chicago

IL

     

59

NR

Luke Bonfield

OF 3B

IMG Academy

Skillman

NJ

59

NR

Luke Bonfield

OF 3B

IMG Academy

Skillman

NJ

     

60

NR

Sean Bouchard

3B

Cathedral Catholic

San Diego

CA

60

NR

Sean Bouchard

3B

Cathedral Catholic

San Diego

CA

     

61

8

Bryce Montes De Oca

RHP

Lawrence

Lawrence

KS

61

8

Bryce Montes De Oca

RHP

Lawrence

Lawrence

KS

     

62

155

Jacob Nix

RHP

Los Alamitos

Los Alamitos

CA

62

155

Jacob Nix

RHP

Los Alamitos

Los Alamitos

CA

     

63

NR

Alex Faedo

RHP 1B

Alonso

Tampa

FL

63

NR

Alex Faedo

RHP 1B

Alonso

Tampa

FL

     

64

NR

Evan Skoug

C

Libertyville

Libertyville

IL

64

NR

Evan Skoug

C

Libertyville

Libertyville

IL

     

65

NR

Isan Diaz

SS

Springfield Central

Springfield

MA

65

NR

Isan Diaz

SS

Springfield Central

Springfield

MA

     

66

NR

Weston Davis

RHP 3B

Manatee

Bradenton

FL

66

NR

Weston Davis

RHP 3B

Manatee

Bradenton

FL

     

67

87

Dalton Guthrie

SS P

Venice Senior

Sarasota

FL

67

87

Dalton Guthrie

SS P

Venice Senior

Sarasota

FL

     

68

219

Brandon Murray

RHP

Hobart

Hobart

IN

68

219

Brandon Murray

RHP

Hobart

Hobart

IN

     

69

52

Spencer Adams

RHP SS

White County

Cleveland

GA

69

52

Spencer Adams

RHP SS

White County

Cleveland

GA

     

70

NR

Benito Santiago

C

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Pembroke Pines

FL

70

NR

Benito Santiago

C

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Pembroke Pines

FL

     

71

41

Luke Dykstra

SS

Westlake

Thousand Oaks

CA

71

41

Luke Dykstra

SS

Westlake

Thousand Oaks

CA

     

72

174

Joe Gillette

3B

Scotts Valley

Scotts Valley

CA

72

174

Joe Gillette

3B

Scotts Valley

Scotts Valley

CA

     

73

13

Justin Bellinger

1B 1B

St Sebastians School

Weston

MA

73

13

Justin Bellinger

1B 1B

St Sebastians School

Weston

MA

     

74

66

Turner Larkins

RHP

Martin

Arlington

TX

74

66

Turner Larkins

RHP

Martin

Arlington

TX

     

75

91

Cre Finfrock

RHP RHP

Martin County

Jensen Beach

FL

75

91

Cre Finfrock

RHP RHP

Martin County

Jensen Beach

FL

     

76

NR

Lane Thomas

OF

Bearden

Knoxville

TN

76

NR

Lane Thomas

OF

Bearden

Knoxville

TN

     

77

NR

Willie Rios

LHP OF

IMG Academy

Waterford

CT

77

NR

Willie Rios

LHP OF

IMG Academy

Waterford

CT

     

78

NR

Jeren Kendall

OF

Holmen

Holmen

WI

78

NR

Jeren Kendall

OF

Holmen

Holmen

WI

     

79

NR

Keven Pimentel

RHP IF

Montverde Academy

Wading River

NY

79

NR

Keven Pimentel

RHP IF

Montverde Academy

Wading River

NY

     

80

15

Bennett Sousa

LHP 1B

The Benjamin School

North Palm Beach

FL

80

15

Bennett Sousa

LHP 1B

The Benjamin School

North Palm Beach

FL

     

81

29

Justin Twine

SS OF

Falls City

Hemphill

TX

81

29

Justin Twine

SS OF

Falls City

Hemphill

TX

     

82

189

Jonathan Ducoff

SS SS

Kingwood Park

Kingwood

TX

82

189

Jonathan Ducoff

SS SS

Kingwood Park

Kingwood

TX

     

83

21

Carson Sands

LHP 1B

North Florida   Christian

Tallahassee

FL

83

21

Carson Sands

LHP 1B

North Florida   Christian

Tallahassee

FL

     

84

NR

Garrett Fulenchek

RHP

Howe

Howe

TX

84

NR

Garrett Fulenchek

RHP

Howe

Howe

TX

     

85

90

Tylor Megill

RHP 1B

Los Alamitos

Seal Beach

CA

85

90

Tylor Megill

RHP 1B

Los Alamitos

Seal Beach

CA

     

86

NR

Gabriel Gonzalez

RHP

Arbor View

Las Vegas

NV

86

NR

Gabriel Gonzalez

RHP

Arbor View

Las Vegas

NV

     

87

NR

Blake Bivens

RHP

George Washington

Sutherlin

VA

87

NR

Blake Bivens

RHP

George Washington

Sutherlin

VA

     

88

NR

Marvin Gorgas

RHP

East Hampton

East Hampton

CT

88

NR

Marvin Gorgas

RHP

East Hampton

East Hampton

CT

     

89

NR

Todd Isaacs Jr

OF

American Heritage

Delray Beach

FL

89

NR

Todd Isaacs Jr

OF

American Heritage

Delray Beach

FL

     

90

NR

Jacob Bukauskas

RHP 3B

Stone Bridge

Ashburn

VA

90

NR

Jacob Bukauskas

RHP 3B

Stone Bridge

Ashburn

VA

     

91

168

Brendan Spagnuolo

RHP RHP

Chaminade

Massapequa

NY

91

168

Brendan Spagnuolo

RHP RHP

Chaminade

Massapequa

NY

     

92

218

Kevin Bryant, Jr.

OF RHP

Wade Hampton

Taylors

SC

92

218

Kevin Bryant, Jr.

OF RHP

Wade Hampton

Taylors

SC

     

93

50

Jeremy Vasquez

1B OF

Martin County

Palm City

FL

93

50

Jeremy Vasquez

1B OF

Martin County

Palm City

FL

     

94

NR

Austin Murphy

OF 1B

Episcopal

Jacksonville

FL

94

NR

Austin Murphy

OF 1B

Episcopal

Jacksonville

FL

     

95

NR

Clay Casey

OF

Desoto Central

Southhaven

MS

95

NR

Clay Casey

OF

Desoto Central

Southhaven

MS

     

96

30

Montrell Marshall

SS RHP

South Gwinnett

Snellville

GA

96

30

Montrell Marshall

SS RHP

South Gwinnett

Snellville

GA

     

97

186

Cole Tucker

SS

Mountain Pointe

Phoenix

AZ

97

186

Cole Tucker

SS

Mountain Pointe

Phoenix

AZ

     

98

NR

Tucker Baca

LHP 1B

North Gwinnett

Suwanee

GA

98

NR

Tucker Baca

LHP 1B

North Gwinnett

Suwanee

GA

     

99

42

Derek Casey

RHP RHP

Hanover

Mechanicsville

VA

99

42

Derek Casey

RHP RHP

Hanover

Mechanicsville

VA

     

100

NR

Bryan Dobzanski

RHP

Delsea Regional

Franklinville

NJ

100

NR

Bryan Dobzanski

RHP

Delsea Regional

Franklinville

NJ

     

104

246

Drew Lugbauer

C

Arlington

Pleasant Valley

NY

104

246

Drew Lugbauer

C

Arlington

Pleasant Valley

NY

     

105

22

Charlie Cody

3B RHP

Great Bridge

Chesapeake

VA

105

22

Charlie Cody

3B RHP

Great Bridge

Chesapeake

VA

     

107

23

Ryan Castellani

RHP 1B

Brophy College   Preparatory

Phoenix

AZ

107

23

Ryan Castellani

RHP 1B

Brophy College   Preparatory

Phoenix

AZ

     

108

32

Braden Webb

RHP

Owasso

Owasso

OK

108

32

Braden Webb

RHP

Owasso

Owasso

OK

     

109

183

Matthew Railey

OF LHP

North Florida   Christian

Tallahassee

FL

109

183

Matthew Railey

OF LHP

North Florida   Christian

Tallahassee

FL

     

111

242

Adam Haseley

OF LHP

The First Academy

Windermere

FL

111

242

Adam Haseley

OF LHP

The First Academy

Windermere

FL

     

114

38

Alex Lange

RHP

Lee`s Summit West

Lee's Summit

MO

114

38

Alex Lange

RHP

Lee`s Summit West

Lee's Summit

MO

     

115

19

Bryson Brigman

SS

Valley Christian

San Jose

CA

115

19

Bryson Brigman

SS

Valley Christian

San Jose

CA

     

116

128

Michael Cantu

C RHP

Moody

Corpus Christi

TX

116

128

Michael Cantu

C RHP

Moody

Corpus Christi

TX

     

117

124

Pavin Smith

1B 1B

Palm Beach Gardens

Jupiter

FL

117

124

Pavin Smith

1B 1B

Palm Beach Gardens

Jupiter

FL

     

119

51

Branden Kelliher

RHP SS

Lake Stevens

Lake Stevens

WA

119

51

Branden Kelliher

RHP SS

Lake Stevens

Lake Stevens

WA

     

120

139

Gage Burland

RHP

East Valley

Otis Orchards

WA

120

139

Gage Burland

RHP

East Valley

Otis Orchards

WA

     

121

250

Colton Shaver

C

Jordan

Riverton

UT

121

250

Colton Shaver

C

Jordan

Riverton

UT

     

122

86

Tommy Doyle

RHP

Flint Hill

Vienna

VA

122

86

Tommy Doyle

RHP

Flint Hill

Vienna

VA

     

123

25

Ryder Ryan

3B RHP

North Mecklenburg

Huntersville

NC

123

25

Ryder Ryan

3B RHP

North Mecklenburg

Huntersville

NC

     

125

37

Jake Jarvis

RHP OF

Klein Collins

Spring

TX

125

37

Jake Jarvis

RHP OF

Klein Collins

Spring

TX

     

128

33

Bobby Bradley

3B

Harrison Central

Gulfport

MS

128

33

Bobby Bradley

3B

Harrison Central

Gulfport

MS

     

128

36

Liam Sabino

SS

Blair Academy

East Stroudsburg

PA

128

36

Liam Sabino

SS

Blair Academy

East Stroudsburg

PA

     

129

100

Daniel Gooden

LHP 1B

Griffin

Griffin

GA

129

100

Daniel Gooden

LHP 1B

Griffin

Griffin

GA

     

131

116

Quinn Brodey

LHP OF

Loyola

Los Angeles

CA

131

116

Quinn Brodey

LHP OF

Loyola

Los Angeles

CA

     

134

156

Travis Jones

SS RHP

Atascocita

Humble

TX

134

156

Travis Jones

SS RHP

Atascocita

Humble

TX

     

135

49

Jonah Patten

RHP OF

Norwell

Ossian

IN

135

49

Jonah Patten

RHP OF

Norwell

Ossian

IN

     

137

95

Trace Loehr

SS

Putnam

Milwaukie

OR

137

95

Trace Loehr

SS

Putnam

Milwaukie

OR

     

139

48

Andrew Karp

RHP 3B

West Orange

Winter Garden

FL

139

48

Andrew Karp

RHP 3B

West Orange

Winter Garden

FL

     

140

31

Jeff Harding, Jr.

RHP 3B

Cambridge-South   Dorchester

Cambridge

MD

140

31

Jeff Harding, Jr.

RHP 3B

Cambridge-South   Dorchester

Cambridge

MD

     

141

26

Grant Hockin

RHP

Damien

Pomona

CA

141

26

Grant Hockin

RHP

Damien

Pomona

CA

     

143

161

Luis Alvarado

SS

Puerto Rico Baseball   Academy/HS

Salinas

PR

143

161

Luis Alvarado

SS

Puerto Rico Baseball   Academy/HS

Salinas

PR

     

144

230

Kevin Steen

RHP

Oak Ridge

Oak Ridge

TN

144

230

Kevin Steen

RHP

Oak Ridge

Oak Ridge

TN

     

145

94

Hunter Williams

1B 1B

Cosby

Chesterfield

VA

145

94

Hunter Williams

1B 1B

Cosby

Chesterfield

VA

     

146

130

Raphael Ramirez

OF

Pace Academy

Atlanta

GA

146

130

Raphael Ramirez

OF

Pace Academy

Atlanta

GA

     

147

138

Hunter Taylor

C C

Nandua

Onley

VA

147

138

Hunter Taylor

C C

Nandua

Onley

VA

     

149

65

JJ Matijevic

1B 3B

Norwin

North Huntingdon

PA

149

65

JJ Matijevic

1B 3B

Norwin

North Huntingdon

PA

     

150

119

Domnique Key

RHP

University Of San   Diego High S

San Diego

CA

150

119

Domnique Key

RHP

University Of San   Diego High S

San Diego

CA

     

151

120

Handsome Monica

C RHP

St. Paul`s

Mandeville

LA

151

120

Handsome Monica

C RHP

St. Paul`s

Mandeville

LA

     

153

96

Drew Carlton

RHP

George W. Jenkins

Lakeland

FL

153

96

Drew Carlton

RHP

George W. Jenkins

Lakeland

FL

     

154

40

Dalton Ewing

OF RHP

Milton

Alpharetta

GA

154

40

Dalton Ewing

OF RHP

Milton

Alpharetta

GA

     

155

165

Brad Bass

RHP

Lincoln-Way Central

New Lenox

IL

155

165

Brad Bass

RHP

Lincoln-Way Central

New Lenox

IL

     

157

39

Gerard Hernandez

OF

Pinnacle

Phoenix

AZ

157

39

Gerard Hernandez

OF

Pinnacle

Phoenix

AZ

     

158

204

Joseph Dunand

SS 3B

Gulliver Schools

Miami

FL

158

204

Joseph Dunand

SS 3B

Gulliver Schools

Miami

FL

     

159

241

Grayson Byrd

SS RHP

Kings Ridge   Christian

Alpharetta

GA

159

241

Grayson Byrd

SS RHP

Kings Ridge   Christian

Alpharetta

GA

     

160

137

Justin Morris

C

Dematha Catholic

Edgewater

MD

160

137

Justin Morris

C

Dematha Catholic

Edgewater

MD

     

163

109

Jake Latz

LHP OF

Lemont Twp

Lemont

IL

163

109

Jake Latz

LHP OF

Lemont Twp

Lemont

IL

     

164

72

Denz'l Chapman

OF

Junipero Serra

Los Angeles

CA

164

72

Denz'l Chapman

OF

Junipero Serra

Los Angeles

CA

     

167

84

Dakota Robbins

C 1B

Westminster Christian

Miami

FL

167

84

Dakota Robbins

C 1B

Westminster   Christian

Miami

FL

     

168

163

Spencer Levine

C OF

Miami Killian Senior

Miami

FL

168

163

Spencer Levine

C OF

Miami Killian Senior

Miami

FL

     

170

129

Max George

2B

Regis Jesuit

Parker

CO

170

129

Max George

2B

Regis Jesuit

Parker

CO

     

171

57

John Jones

C 3B

Orangewood Christian

Orlando

FL

171

57

John Jones

C 3B

Orangewood Christian

Orlando

FL

     

172

122

Marco A. Rivera Rios

OF

Carlos Beltran   Baseball Academy

Vega Alta

PR

172

122

Marco A. Rivera Rios

OF

Carlos Beltran   Baseball Academy

Vega Alta

PR

     

175

64

Brian Gonzalez

1B 1B

Archbishop Edward   Mccarthy

Miramar

FL

175

64

Brian Gonzalez

1B 1B

Archbishop Edward   Mccarthy

Miramar

FL

     

176

224

Ryan Avidano

LHP 1B

Starrs Mill

Fayetteville

GA

176

224

Ryan Avidano

LHP 1B

Starrs Mill

Fayetteville

GA

     

177

145

Khevin Brewer

OF 1B

William B Travis

Richmond

TX

177

145

Khevin Brewer

OF 1B

William B Travis

Richmond

TX

     

183

192

Bryce Dyrda

RHP

Oakdale

Oakdale

CA

183

192

Bryce Dyrda

RHP

Oakdale

Oakdale

CA

     

184

146

Keegan McGovern

OF OF

Coffee County

Willacoochee

GA

184

146

Keegan McGovern

OF OF

Coffee County

Willacoochee

GA

     

187

147

Broderick (Brodie)   Leftridge

OF RHP

Saint Johns Catholic   Prep

Highland

MD

187

147

Broderick (Brodie)   Leftridge

OF RHP

Saint Johns Catholic   Prep

Highland

MD

     

188

74

Blake Wiggins

3B RHP

Pulaski Academy

Little Rock

AR

188

74

Blake Wiggins

3B RHP

Pulaski Academy

Little Rock

AR

     

189

158

Kevin Williams

OF

American Senior

Miramar

FL

189

158

Kevin Williams

OF

American Senior

Miramar

FL

     

191

80

Jesse Lepore

RHP SS

Trinity Catholic

Beverly HIlls

FL

191

80

Jesse Lepore

RHP SS

Trinity Catholic

Beverly HIlls

FL

     

192

107

Matt Morgan

C OF

Thorsby

Thorsby

AL

192

107

Matt Morgan

C OF

Thorsby

Thorsby

AL

     

193

105

Kirvin Moesquit

SS 2B

Highlands Christian   Academy

Deerfield Beach

FL

193

105

Kirvin Moesquit

SS 2B

Highlands Christian   Academy

Deerfield Beach

FL

     

194

88

Tommy Pincin

C

Upland

Upland

CA

194

88

Tommy Pincin

C

Upland

Upland

CA

     

196

167

Taylor Lane

SS

Great Bridge

Chesapeake

VA

196

167

Taylor Lane

SS

Great Bridge

Chesapeake

VA

     

198

181

Ricardo Salinas

RHP OF

North Shore

Houston

TX

198

181

Ricardo Salinas

RHP OF

North Shore

Houston

TX

     

199

113

Brandon Bielak

RHP

St Joseph

Sayreville

NJ

199

113

Brandon Bielak

RHP

St Joseph

Sayreville

NJ

     

204

71

Jack Gerstenmaier

SS RHP

Freeman

Richmond

VA

204

71

Jack Gerstenmaier

SS RHP

Freeman

Richmond

VA

     

206

235

Brandon Vicens

OF 2B

American Heritage

Miami Lakes

FL

206

235

Brandon Vicens

OF 2B

American Heritage

Miami Lakes

FL

     

207

97

Chandler Avant

MIF RHP

Pike Liberal Arts

Troy

AL

207

97

Chandler Avant

MIF RHP

Pike Liberal Arts

Troy

AL

     

208

142

Griffin Canning

RHP

Santa Margarita

Coto De Caza

CA

208

142

Griffin Canning

RHP

Santa Margarita

Coto De Caza

CA

     

210

69

Cole Bedford

C C,SS

Deer Park

Deer Park

TX

210

69

Cole Bedford

C C,SS

Deer Park

Deer Park

TX

     

211

114

Kyle Kemp

RHP UT

Bishop Verot

Port Charlotte

FL

211

114

Kyle Kemp

RHP UT

Bishop Verot

Port Charlotte

FL

     

212

98

Jordan Pearce

RHP RHP

El Camino

Oceanside

CA

212

98

Jordan Pearce

RHP RHP

El Camino

Oceanside

CA

     

215

169

Mathew Annunziata

3B

Eastport-South Manor

Manorville

NY

215

169

Mathew Annunziata

3B

Eastport-South Manor

Manorville

NY

     

216

133

Cody Reed

LHP 1B

Ardmore

Athens

AL

216

133

Cody Reed

LHP 1B

Ardmore

Athens

AL

     

218

99

Luke Spangler

LHP 1B,LHP

Cape Coral

Cape Coral

FL

218

99

Luke Spangler

LHP 1B,LHP

Cape Coral

Cape Coral

FL

     

221

102

Colton Hock

RHP

Bloomsburg Area

Bloomsburg

PA

221

102

Colton Hock

RHP

Bloomsburg Area

Bloomsburg

PA

     

221

108

Duke Stunkel, Jr.

OF IF

William T. Dwyer

Palm Beach Gardens

FL

221

108

Duke Stunkel, Jr.

OF IF

William T. Dwyer

Palm Beach Gardens

FL

     

222

104

Hunter Tackett

OF RHP

Anderson County

Heiskell

TN

222

104

Hunter Tackett

OF RHP

Anderson County

Heiskell

TN

     

227

180

Jack Benninghoff

OF

Rockhurst

Overland Park

KS

227

180

Jack Benninghoff

OF

Rockhurst

Overland Park

KS

     

231

121

Dale Burdick

SS

Summit

Spring Hill

TN

231

121

Dale Burdick

SS

Summit

Spring Hill

TN

     

234

166

Griffin Helms

C OF

Norcross

Duluth

GA

234

166

Griffin Helms

C OF

Norcross

Duluth

GA

     

235

233

Ryan Day

SS RHP

Los Osos

Phelan

CA

235

233

Ryan Day

SS RHP

Los Osos

Phelan

CA

     

238

209

Kevin Buckley

3B

King

Tampa

FL

238

209

Kevin Buckley

3B

King

Tampa

FL

     

241

197

Nicholas Valaika

MIF

Hart

Valencia

CA

241

197

Nicholas Valaika

MIF

Hart

Valencia

CA

     

245

249

Nathan Rodriguez

C

El Dorado

Yorba Linda

CA

245

249

Nathan Rodriguez

C

El Dorado

Yorba Linda

CA

     

249

243

Doug Norman

RHP 3B

Ardrey Kell

Fort Mill

SC

249

243

Doug Norman

RHP 3B

Ardrey Kell

Fort Mill

SC

     

250

81

Alex Abbott

OF RHP

Tift County

Tifton

GA

250

81

Alex Abbott

OF RHP

Tift County

Tifton

GA

     

256

110

Christopher   Koppenhaver

RHP

Pine Crest

Davie

FL

256

110

Christopher   Koppenhaver

RHP

Pine Crest

Davie

FL

     

257

44

Kyle Marsh

RHP SS

Spruce Creek

Port Orange

FL

257

44

Kyle Marsh

RHP SS

Spruce Creek

Port Orange

FL

     

258

112

Jacob Niggemeyer

RHP 1B

Olentangy Liberty

Powell

OH

258

112

Jacob Niggemeyer

RHP 1B

Olentangy Liberty

Powell

OH

     

261

118

AJ Moore

RHP 1B

Mountain View

Dacula

GA

261

118

AJ Moore

RHP 1B

Mountain View

Dacula

GA

     

262

123

Sam Proctor

RHP OF

Booker

Sarasota

FL

262

123

Sam Proctor

RHP OF

Booker

Sarasota

FL

     

264

70

Jeremiah Muhammad

RHP

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Somerset

NJ

264

70

Jeremiah Muhammad

RHP

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Somerset

NJ

     

265

231

John Gavin

LHP

St Francis

San Jose

CA

265

231

John Gavin

LHP

St Francis

San Jose

CA

     

267

225

Kameron Uter

RHP

Pace Academy

Atlanta

GA

267

225

Kameron Uter

RHP

Pace Academy

Atlanta

GA

     

270

131

Rahman Williams

MIF

Montverde Academy

Matteson

IL

270

131

Rahman Williams

MIF

Montverde Academy

Matteson

IL

     

272

132

Dominick Cammarata

C

T C Roberson

Asheville

NC

272

132

Dominick Cammarata

C

T C Roberson

Asheville

NC

     

275

135

Jack Labosky

3B

Clovis North

Clovis

CA

275

135

Jack Labosky

3B

Clovis North

Clovis

CA

     

276

136

Carson Larue

RHP SS

Dewey

Dewey

OK

276

136

Carson Larue

RHP SS

Dewey

Dewey

OK

     

280

141

Darren Miller

SS

Key West

Key West

FL

280

141

Darren Miller

SS

Key West

Key West

FL

     

283

199

Matt Trask

RHP

Davis

Davis

CA

283

199

Matt Trask

RHP

Davis

Davis

CA

     

286

159

Caleb Potter

OF

Mentor

Mentor

OH

286

159

Caleb Potter

OF

Mentor

Mentor

OH

     

287

144

Reagan Todd

LHP

Regis Jesuit

Centennial

CO

287

144

Reagan Todd

LHP

Regis Jesuit

Centennial

CO

     

290

221

Brad Wegman

RHP OF

Great Oak

Temecula

CA

290

221

Brad Wegman

RHP OF

Great Oak

Temecula

CA

     

291

93

Jonah Girand

C RHP

Edgewater

Maitland

FL

291

93

Jonah Girand

C RHP

Edgewater

Maitland

FL

     

296

148

Mitch Cavanagh

RHP RHP

Oneida Senior

Oneida

NY

296

148

Mitch Cavanagh

RHP RHP

Oneida Senior

Oneida

NY

     

299

150

Matthew Collins

OF 3B

Memorial

Houston

TX

299

150

Matthew Collins

OF 3B

Memorial

Houston

TX

     

301

151

John Wesley Ray

RHP 1B

Christian Brothers

Southhaven

MS

301

151

John Wesley Ray

RHP 1B

Christian Brothers

Southhaven

MS

     

303

62

John Thomas Mauldin

3B RHP

St. Michael the   Archangel

Baton Rouge

LA

303

62

John Thomas Mauldin

3B RHP

St. Michael the   Archangel

Baton Rouge

LA

     

305

206

Colby Fitch

C

Columbia-Hickman

Rocheport

MO

305

206

Colby Fitch

C

Columbia-Hickman

Rocheport

MO

     

307

153

Tristan Widra

RHP OF

John Carroll   Catholic

Hoover

AL

307

153

Tristan Widra

RHP OF

John Carroll   Catholic

Hoover

AL

     

308

154

Nathaniel Alam

OF

El Dorado

Placentia

CA

308

154

Nathaniel Alam

OF

El Dorado

Placentia

CA

     

309

157

Clay Moffitt

RHP

Catholic High   School- Baton Rouge, La

Baton Rouge

LA

309

157

Clay Moffitt

RHP

Catholic High   School- Baton Rouge, La

Baton Rouge

LA

     

312

162

Lincoln Henzman

RHP P

Lexington Christian   Academy

Lexington

KY

312

162

Lincoln Henzman

RHP P

Lexington Christian   Academy

Lexington

KY

     

313

164

Daniel Goss

OF

Homeschool

Humble

TX

313

164

Daniel Goss

OF

Homeschool

Humble

TX

     

315

170

Wyatt Marks

RHP

St Thomas More

Lafayette

LA

315

170

Wyatt Marks

RHP

St Thomas More

Lafayette

LA

     

317

227

Evelino Ruibal

RHP

Millburn

Millburn

NJ

317

227

Evelino Ruibal

RHP

Millburn

Millburn

NJ

     

319

196

Blake Jackson

3B OF

Houston County

Warner Robins

GA

319

196

Blake Jackson

3B OF

Houston County

Warner Robins

GA

     

320

171

Grant Fennell

SS

Scripps Ranch

San Diego

CA

320

171

Grant Fennell

SS

Scripps Ranch

San Diego

CA

     

329

173

John Hisel

RHP OF

East Jessamine

Nicholsville

KY

329

173

John Hisel

RHP OF

East Jessamine

Nicholsville

KY

     

330

238

Evan Dougherty

OF

Bishop Verot

Fort Myers

FL

330

238

Evan Dougherty

OF

Bishop Verot

Fort Myers

FL

     

331

175

Hansen Butler

RHP 3B

High Point Christian   Academy

High Point

NC

331

175

Hansen Butler

RHP 3B

High Point Christian   Academy

High Point

NC

     

332

176

Austin Bain

SS

Dutchtown

Geismer

LA

332

176

Austin Bain

SS

Dutchtown

Geismer

LA

     

333

177

Brock Barger

RHP

San Angelo Central

San Angelo

TX

333

177

Brock Barger

RHP

San Angelo Central

San Angelo

TX

     

337

200

Blake Billinger

1B 3B

St Francis

Los Gatos

CA

337

200

Blake Billinger

1B 3B

St Francis

Los Gatos

CA

     

338

182

Evan Cannan

OF SS

Jesuit

Tarpon Springs

FL

338

182

Evan Cannan

OF SS

Jesuit

Tarpon Springs

FL

     

339

83

Brandon Elmy

OF 1B

Venice Senior

Nokomis

FL

339

83

Brandon Elmy

OF 1B

Venice Senior

Nokomis

FL

     

340

195

Jakob Goldfarb

OF OF

Desert Mountain

Scottsdale

AZ

340

195

Jakob Goldfarb

OF OF

Desert Mountain

Scottsdale

AZ

     

341

184

Zac Carter

RHP

Pantego Christian   Academy

Arlington

TX

341

184

Zac Carter

RHP

Pantego Christian   Academy

Arlington

TX

     

345

185

Mikey Diekroeger

3B

Menlo

Woodside

CA

345

185

Mikey Diekroeger

3B

Menlo

Woodside

CA

     

352

187

Dominique Jackson

OF RHP

South Gwinnett

Snellville

GA

352

187

Dominique Jackson

OF RHP

South Gwinnett

Snellville

GA

     

355

92

Byron Hood

RHP

Norris

Roca

NE

355

92

Byron Hood

RHP

Norris

Roca

NE

     

357

106

Matthew Ruppenthal

RHP 2B

Brother Rice

Bloomfield Hills

MI

357

106

Matthew Ruppenthal

RHP 2B

Brother Rice

Bloomfield Hills

MI

     

358

188

Nick Agosto

SS 2B

Charlotte

Port Charlotte

FL

358

188

Nick Agosto

SS 2B

Charlotte

Port Charlotte

FL

     

361

190

Nick Bottari

C OF

Montverde Academy

Wading River

NY

361

190

Nick Bottari

C OF

Montverde Academy

Wading River

NY

     

368

208

Mitch Keller

RHP

Xavier

Cedar Rapids

IA

368

208

Mitch Keller

RHP

Xavier

Cedar Rapids

IA

     

369

193

Patrick Mahomes

RHP

Whitehouse

Lindale

TX

369

193

Patrick Mahomes

RHP

Whitehouse

Lindale

TX

     

370

194

David Banuelos

C

Damien

Ontario

CA

370

194

David Banuelos

C

Damien

Ontario

CA

     

371

236

Ryan Gridley

MIF RHP

Milton

Milton

GA

371

236

Ryan Gridley

MIF RHP

Milton

Milton

GA

     

375

61

Tyree Davis

OF

Centennial

Compton

CA

375

61

Tyree Davis

OF

Centennial

Compton

CA

     

377

198

Dazon Cole

RHP

Pontiac

Pontiac

MI

377

198

Dazon Cole

RHP

Pontiac

Pontiac

MI

     

387

201

Chace Sarchet

OF RHP

Frenship High School

Lubbock

TX

387

201

Chace Sarchet

OF RHP

Frenship High School

Lubbock

TX

     

389

149

Aaron Floyd

OF

Longwood

Huntington

NY

389

149

Aaron Floyd

OF

Longwood

Huntington

NY

     

394

202

Zach Jancarski

OF 3B

Chestnut Hill   Academy

East Norriton

PA

394

202

Zach Jancarski

OF 3B

Chestnut Hill   Academy

East Norriton

PA

     

398

203

Eric Hepple

RHP 3B

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Margate

FL

398

203

Eric Hepple

RHP 3B

Coral Springs   Christian Academ

Margate

FL

     

399

205

Mike Papierski

C 1B

Lemont Twp

Lemont

IL

399

205

Mike Papierski

C 1B

Lemont Twp

Lemont

IL

     

401

46

Christian Martinek

LHP

Jesuit

Beaverton

OR

401

46

Christian Martinek

LHP

Jesuit

Beaverton

OR

     

412

207

Trey Quinn

OF P

Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

412

207

Trey Quinn

OF P

Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

     

416

210

Austin Edens

1B RHP

St. Michael the   Archangel

Baton Rouge

LA

416

210

Austin Edens

1B RHP

St. Michael the   Archangel

Baton Rouge

LA

     

417

211

Beau Jordan

OF OF

Alfred M. Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

417

211

Beau Jordan

OF OF

Alfred M. Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

     

418

212

DJ Burt

OF OF

Fuquay-Varina

Fuquay-Varina

NC

418

212

DJ Burt

OF OF

Fuquay-Varina

Fuquay-Varina

NC

     

419

77

Patrick Wiseman

RHP RHP

Pope

Roswell

GA

419

77

Patrick Wiseman

RHP RHP

Pope

Roswell

GA

     

421

213

Tyler Deason

RHP

St Francis

Campbell

CA

421

213

Tyler Deason

RHP

St Francis

Campbell

CA

     

423

214

Jared Datoc

RHP RHP

Pace Academy

Atlanta

GA

423

214

Jared Datoc

RHP RHP

Pace Academy

Atlanta

GA

     

427

160

Thomas Digiorgi

RHP

Half Hollow Hills   West

Dix Hills

NY

427

160

Thomas Digiorgi

RHP

Half Hollow Hills   West

Dix Hills

NY

     

437

215

Logan Browning

LHP OF

Lakeland Christian

Lakeland

FL

437

215

Logan Browning

LHP OF

Lakeland Christian

Lakeland

FL

     

451

216

Bryce Jordan

3B 1B

Alfred M. Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

451

216

Bryce Jordan

3B 1B

Alfred M. Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

     

454

220

Henry Rowling

C 3B

Walton

Marietta

GA

454

220

Henry Rowling

C 3B

Walton

Marietta

GA

     

455

223

Tevin Symonette

OF

Christian Home And   Bible Schoo

Mount Dora

FL

455

223

Tevin Symonette

OF

Christian Home And   Bible Schoo

Mount Dora

FL

     

456

226

Taylor Walls

SS SS

Crisp County

Cordele

GA

456

226

Taylor Walls

SS SS

Crisp County

Cordele

GA

     

458

228

Wesley Noble

RHP

Lebanon

Lebanon

OH

458

228

Wesley Noble

RHP

Lebanon

Lebanon

OH

     

461

229

Carson Gregory

RHP

Beaufort

Beaufort

SC

461

229

Carson Gregory

RHP

Beaufort

Beaufort

SC

     

468

232

Brady Acker

OF OF

Atholton

Columbia

MD

468

232

Brady Acker

OF OF

Atholton

Columbia

MD

     

475

79

Richard Boe

RHP

St Francis

San Carlos

CA

475

79

Richard Boe

RHP

St Francis

San Carlos

CA

     

479

140

Patrick Stephens

RHP RHP

University

Orlando

FL

479

140

Patrick Stephens

RHP RHP

University

Orlando

FL

     

484

234

Logan Moseley

SS RHP

Mill Creek

Hoschton

GA

484

234

Logan Moseley

SS RHP

Mill Creek

Hoschton

GA

     

492

237

Ryan Hoogerwerf

3B RHP

Allen

Allen

TX

492

237

Ryan Hoogerwerf

3B RHP

Allen

Allen

TX

     

496

239

Matt Wezniak

1B LHP

Carlsbad

Carlsbad

CA

496

239

Matt Wezniak

1B LHP

Carlsbad

Carlsbad

CA

     

497

240

Kennon Fontenot

SS RHP

Alfred M. Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

497

240

Kennon Fontenot

SS RHP

Alfred M. Barbe

Lake Charles

LA

     

500

63

Kyle Wright

RHP 3B

Buckhorn

Huntsville

AL

500

63

Kyle Wright

RHP 3B

Buckhorn

Huntsville

AL

     

500

127

Myron Burton

RHP RHP

Peachtree Ridge

Lawrenceville

GA

500

127

Myron Burton

RHP RHP

Peachtree Ridge

Lawrenceville

GA

     

500

178

Garrett Pearson

RHP SS

St Johns College

Rockville

MD

500

178

Garrett Pearson

RHP SS

St Johns College

Rockville

MD

     

500

179

Ethan Walker

RHP

Arlington Country   Day

Jacksonville

FL

500

179

Ethan Walker

RHP

Arlington Country   Day

Jacksonville

FL

     

500

245

Ray Hutchinson

SS

Holden

Holden

LA

500

245

Ray Hutchinson

SS

Holden

Holden

LA

     

500

247

Shelton Schimming

OF

Deland

DeLand

FL

500

247

Shelton Schimming

OF

Deland

DeLand

FL

     

NR

125

Jason Todd

RHP

Henry M. Jackson

Mill Creek

WA

NR

125

Jason Todd

RHP

Henry M. Jackson

Mill Creek

WA

     

NR

217

Marc Jimenez

3B 1B

Osbourn Park

Woodbridge

VA

NR

217

Marc Jimenez

3B 1B

Osbourn Park

Woodbridge

VA

     

jp,

 

when I asked them I was told they can do it for sure because all previous rankings (at least the bigger updates) are in our database.  Other than that I'm not sure what they need to do.  I am kind of tech challenged.  They just said they have some other projects thy need to finish before getting this done.

 

I actually like the idea.  In some ways it will make us look good and it will also show everyone we are far from perfect.  The thing is sometimes we don't know everything we need to know about a sophomore in high school.  We've seen kids quit and concentrate on a different sport. We have even seen ranked kids die before they finish high school.  (That's by far the hardest to take).  A few years ago there was a highly ranked player who was committed to a college powerhouse. He took his own life! That will bother me forever!

 

i was hesitant to use the actual names of the players in this forum.  People don't always see things correctly.  They might see a senior ranked 500 that was ranked 200 when he was sophomore and think he really got worse.  It isn't that at all, it's just because we saw thousands and thousands of players we hadn't seen the previous two years.  And there are a lot of very talented kids.   Even at that if a player is ranked among the top 500 in the country, plus Canada and Puerto Rico, it means he is a rare player. And nobody knows if #500 will end up being better than #150. Or even if a high follow will end up being better than #150.  Everything can't be measured well enough to determine every player's future potential.

 

Bottom line... We are most often right, but we are also wrong at times.  Kind of the same way the draft and college recruiting works. Kind of the way that everything works.

I'm completely tracking with what you're saying, PG, and thanks again.

 

Here are two takeaways from this data that I think all players and parents should understand, and why I think showing the history can be important:

 

Out of the Top 20 sophomore players in 2012, 9 did not end up in the Top 20 in their senior year -- so almost 50%. Lesson: Never think you've arrived.

 

Out of the Top 20 senior players in 2014, 11 were not in the Top 50 in their sophomore year -- more that 50%. Lesson: If you have talent and work hard, keep at it. Things can change fast.

 

 

 

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