PG showcase evaluations

Yes, I believe it is indeed the case.  

In general, though, if a knowledgeable college coach can see the measureables, he can reasonably guess what the grade was/is

It depends somewhat on the position, but in general arm velocity has a lot to do with PG grades.  If a player throws 75 they will get a 7.5 grade, if they throw 82 they will get an 8 grade.  This can then be moved up and down a little based on how old they are, if their body type is projectable, and if their other measureables are exceptional or particularly unexceptional

For instance, I've never seen a kid who throws 75 across the infield with a 7.5 sixty and a low 80's Exit Velocity get a 9 Grade no matter how fantastic they did in Batting Practice or the Showcase games.  

3and2Fastball posted:

...For instance, I've never seen a kid who throws 75 across the infield with a 7.5 sixty and a low 80's Exit Velocity get a 9 Grade no matter how fantastic they did in Batting Practice or the Showcase games.  

I will make my kid read this next time he asks me to attend a PG showcase 

Jeez, should had my kid go to PG showcases. He throws in the 90's from the OF.

I have seen kids who throw mid 80's with mid 80's Exit Velo as Freshmen get a 10 grade, and deservedly so in my opinion based on their size and athleticism and having been seen a lot in high level PG events.

I think it just depends a lot on age, to a degree, when they are projecting someone.  But it does seem like you need mid 80's to really get traction going with a good grade.  

3and2Fastball posted:

I have seen kids who throw mid 80's with mid 80's Exit Velo as Freshmen get a 10 grade, and deservedly so in my opinion based on their size and athleticism and having been seen a lot in high level PG events.

I think it just depends a lot on age, to a degree, when they are projecting someone.  But it does seem like you need mid 80's to really get traction going with a good grade.  

I think it is pretty hard to get a 9 or 10.  My son went to a showcase summer before freshman year and had an 80mph FB, and 79IF, made the top prospect list and team and had an 8.  The next summer he had 87FB, 85IF and 89 exit velo.  He made the top prospect list and team again and is ranked above 95% in all categories outside of speed and he got an 8.5.  It seems like they really follow the velo markers that others have posted.  My son goes to another showcase next month and has hit 90 now so we will see if it holds true and he gets a 9.

BaseballHS - I think your son may be the poster child for developing a pattern that scouts/coaches will like.  There aren't many who fit that category.

But in general, too many kids attend showcases.  That is not a critique of PG at all.  But too many kids attend showcases.

Showcases do not measure heart or desire or grittiness or 'good kid.'  Don't really measure 'smart kid' either, other than cataloging the academic information you supply them.  Showcases measure speed, velocity, exit velocity and natural motions coordinated with the numbers.  (And a few other things too).  If you don't have something significant to measure, you shouldn't attend a showcase (yet) in hopes of generating interest.

I know too many dads who sent their kids to showcases with great HS or summer stats but without much to measure...and wondered what happened when no interest ensued.

Know your kid and where he fits on the scale relative to his peers.  Batting average, W/L record and ERA aren't good measures.  Home runs and strikeouts/innings pitched might be, but not necessarily.

Our older son was 7-5 as a junior in HS, but could hit 93/94 on the gun - good showcase pitcher.  Our younger son was 11-0 as a junior in HS, but was 5-10 and topped out around 86 on the gun - not a good showcase pitcher.

Wanna guess which one was the better college pitcher (same conference)?

OskiSD posted:

I've looked at some older posts suggesting that kids can ask that PG not post their 'scores' on the PG website.  Is this still the case and, if so, is this pursuant to a general PG policy or more of an informal understanding?   Sorry in advance if I've missed a post that answers this q and thanks   

If you don't like the score you can send an email to PG and they will take it down.  I would caution you though that just because they have taken it down doesn't mean it's not still in the system.  It's a policy of theirs that you can have anything eliminated from your profile.

If a kid attends a PG event (showcase or tournament) to see what sticks he better be a potential top P5/pro prospect. Otherwise, the player will blend in with all the other high school studs with good game. 

If a kid is attending an event looking for attention he should get some before attending the event. His travel and maybe high school coach should be preselling him to college coaches. “Go see my guy. He can play for you.” This involves coaches having connections and credibility with college coaches.

If a player doesn't have this connection presell yourself with your numbers and team schedule in an email. There are places a lot less expensive than PG to get initial numbers if you're not sure where you fit.

Going to a PG event is like being in sales or a lawyer. You want to be confident what the result is likely to be before presenting yourself. 

RJM posted:

If a kid attends a PG event (showcase or tournament) to see what sticks he better be a potential top P5/pro prospect. Otherwise, the player will blend in with all the other high school studs with good game. 

If a kid is attending an event looking for attention he should get some before attending the event. His travel and maybe high school coach should be preselling him to college coaches. “Go see my guy. He can play for you.” This involves coaches having connections and credibility with college coaches.

If a player doesn't have this connection presell yourself with your numbers and team schedule in an email. There are places a lot less expensive than PG to get initial numbers if you're not sure where you fit.

Going to a PG event is like being in sales or a lawyer. You want to be confident what the result is likely to be before presenting yourself. 

Good points all re showcases.  My son knows roughly how he'll measure.  His first showcase (not his first tryout or first time getting measured) so he's asking lots of questions about process.  

RJM posted:

If a kid attends a PG event (showcase or tournament) to see what sticks he better be a potential top P5/pro prospect. Otherwise, the player will blend in with all the other high school studs with good game. 

If a kid is attending an event looking for attention he should get some before attending the event. His travel and maybe high school coach should be preselling him to college coaches. “Go see my guy. He can play for you.” This involves coaches having connections and credibility with college coaches.

If a player doesn't have this connection presell yourself with your numbers and team schedule in an email. There are places a lot less expensive than PG to get initial numbers if you're not sure where you fit.

Going to a PG event is like being in sales or a lawyer. You want to be confident what the result is likely to be before presenting yourself. 

Well put. My 2018 position player got some unsolicited interest from one PBR showcase, but only because he put up one eye popping stat.

 Otherwise, the one showcase that really worked for him, Headfirst, was partially because he put up good stats but mainly because he had been in touch numerous times with some of the schools. All of them were happy to talk with him, however briefly. I think the coaches talk, also, because he also got a lot of unsolicited interest from Headfirst. If I had to do it again I would've had him doing showcases a bit earlier, but overall, he is where he's supposed to be, and is happy with it. 

Thanks to all who shared wisdom and questions on this thread.  My '22 just got done with PG Sunshine West a couple hours ago.  Great experience, really well-run event, and we were both well prepared thanks to many of these posts (and other threads as well).  Thanks again,