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Strange event at the South County / Lake Braddock game Friday. Runners on 1st and 2nd with one out. The batter has a 3-2 count. On the next pitch, the catcher receives the pitch, pops up and fires down to the SS to get the runner diving back to 2b. The field ump calls the runner out. The ump at home plate was not real vocal about the pitch call, but did not indicate a strike or strike out. He waves his arms (indicating that time is called) and walks towards 2b as the batter heads to 1st base. The runner on second that was called out walked about 10 feet towards 1B (back to dugout) and was tagged by a fielder with the ball again. A great debate erupted as the SC coach asserted that the runner at 2b was entitled to 3b and could not be tagged out. The umps discussed the call and confirmed the out call. I was not able to hear what explanation they gave the coach.

Is there any way the umpires got this right? Is there any way a runner on 2b can be tagged out before he is awarded 3b on a walk forced advance?

Surely the fact that the runner walked off and was tagged after being called out could not be the cause of upholding this ruling?
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They kicked it. When the pitch becomes ball four, R2 is awarded 3rd base without liability to be put out. When BU calls R2 out, PU should call TIME and make the base award.

If a runner advances beyond his award base (for example, if R1 was running on the pitch and went beyond 2nd base), he is liable to be tagged out. That was not the case here.
You've implied but never specifically mention that there are 2 runners on base. Unless these guys are true rookies I'd be really suprised if they'd call out R2 after the PU calls ball four forcing the runner.
The exception would be if the BU did not hear "ball four" by the PU. He's gotta call the runner out. You can always fix the call and explain the reasoning to the coaches. I can't see coaches going nuts over FIXING that type of error.
Otherwise, this is baseball 101. The runners are NOT at liability after ball four.
Agree that if there really was a runner on first, this play was kicked.

They probably called the kid out because he gave up second base and headed for the dugout. He did this because he was called out. Seems like this (I'm at least two assumptions into a play I didn't see) should've been fixed.

I'm a fan, not a coach anymore or umpire, but a pet peeve I have are coaches who make kids stay on the base after being called out while they dispute the call. To me, this is showing the umpire up. Maybe the umpires feel differently. I just don't like it...

If my assumptions are correct, this is a reason why the kid should've stayed on second while the discussion took place.
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Originally posted by JMoff:
I'm a fan, not a coach anymore or umpire, but a pet peeve I have are coaches who make kids stay on the base after being called out while they dispute the call. To me, this is showing the umpire up. Maybe the umpires feel differently. I just don't like it...

I won't entertain any discussion with a coach until all the runners are where they belong.
I agree with the runners needing to be where they belong. I just had a case of that over the weekend where the coach is telling the kid to run the bases as we're trying to put them back. The kids followed "our" suggestion and stayed put.
Not bragging, but it showed who has the authority. I just gave the coach a long glare as I walked towards my partner.

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