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Hey Folks,

So I want opinions. Saturday my son pitched the last 3 innings of game 1 (about 45 pitches)then after about 20 minutes between games, 40 minutes between pitches, he threw the first 4 innings of game 2 for a total of about 105 pitches. Temps were low 40's.

I'm somewhat against this type of thing but wanted to get other knowledgeable opinions before I "outlawed" it.

Thanks in advance.....Harv
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Interesting. First I'd say I'm really surprised this was done in 40 degree weather. Second, I got the same question "playfair" has...how old is your son?

Many years ago, Gavin Floyd (SP - Chicago White Sox) was 17 and pitched in a DHer against my team. He pitched the final 27 pitches of game #1, had a 30 minute break, and then pitched 127 pitches in game #2. Hope your son's future has similar parallels!!!
Usually the temperature isn't as hard on you as the lag time... I know everyone else is freezing when it's 40 but the pitcher and catcher are usually fine.

The lag time usually kills the pitcher's performance but he must have handled it pretty well because he was getting them out. Most pitching guru's would say to get geared up and then pitch and be done with it for the day... did he experience any ill effects?? some guys are very durable.
I always look at these type of things in a Risk vs Reward way. Does the potential risk out weigh the potential reward? NO!

You have a stud and you want to use him to help you win both games. You start one guy and hope your in a posistion to win it with your best guy. You do that so you can bring him back to win the second game. Your risking the health of a player in order to give yourself a better chance of winning both games. No no no.

Develop some other guys. Give him the ball and tell him to go out there and bring home the bacon. Then dh him and tell him to help your team win the other game.
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Originally posted by Coach_May:
I always look at these type of things in a Risk vs Reward way. Does the potential risk out weigh the potential reward? NO!

You have a stud and you want to use him to help you win both games. You start one guy and hope your in a posistion to win it with your best guy. You do that so you can bring him back to win the second game. Your risking the health of a player in order to give yourself a better chance of winning both games. No no no.

Develop some other guys. Give him the ball and tell him to go out there and bring home the bacon. Then dh him and tell him to help your team win the other game.


Coach said it exactly the way I would have if I weren't interrupted last night when I originally posted.

If you ride a horse too hard for too long, you'll have a broken down nag. I wish some coaches could see the forest *DESPITE* the trees!
I've watched numerous games at the pro level where a starter pitches well for a few innings, a rain delay comes, and then they when the game resumes they shut him down and bring in a different pitcher.

I realize the OP relates to HS ball, but if the pros feel there could be a potential issue with it, why risk it with a younger player?

Coach May, as usual, great post!
Its not the innings. He is heated up. He has pitched 45 pitches in 40 degree weather. Now he cools down and has to wait for the next game. He heats back up and starts pitching again throwing a total of 105 pitches. He is 16 years old. Why would you take a risk with a young arm like this? Is it really worth the potential risk just to have a better chance to win another game?

Not to me.
Never ever do this, worst thing you can do with a pitcher. You have stressed the small muscles in the shoulder and arm, let them cool off and contract and then re-stress them right after with no recovery period. I normally don't talk to our coach about anything play related, in this case we would have a serious sit down and I would make it clear that he never ever do this with my son again. It shows me that he has a lack of understanding of how to handle pitchers.

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