pitch that hits ground

My unprofessional opinion is that it would be a foul ball (assuming it didn't land in fair territory). My reasoning is that if the hitter swung the bat at the pitch and it was hit then you play it or it's a foul ball. Also, if the ball hit the batter after hitting the ground it's a HBP then all other situations are still consider to be live ball.

Of course it would probably be better for the experts to tell us rather than listen to me.

I would concur with coach. If the ball hit the bat whether swung or not it would foul/fair accordingly.
The only thing unigue to a pitch hitting the dirt is it can't be a called strike. Other than that it is a live ball.

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The only thing unigue to a pitch hitting the dirt is it can't be a called strike. Other than that it is a live ball.

How about the "bounces, and then, is foul tipped" and caught? Strike 3 or dropped 3rd strike.

Suddenly it becomes sort of a foul tip, but you gotta tag or throw the BR out.

FEd the same as OBR on this one?

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The only thing unigue to a pitch hitting the dirt is it can't be a called strike. Other than that it is a live ball.

How about the "bounces, and then, is foul tipped" and caught? Strike 3 or dropped 3rd strike.

Suddenly it becomes sort of a foul tip, but you gotta tag or throw the BR out.

FEd the same as OBR on this one?

Bump - can you all clarify, swing and miss, foul, foul tip, etc....where does the ball need to bounce (hit dirt)

Talk to Yogi Berra about pitches that bounce in the dirt before they get to the plate---he was very adept at hitting them and in fair territory as well

One made Ichiro famous for a week...

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How about the "bounces, and then, is foul tipped" and caught? Strike 3 or dropped 3rd strike.

And the answer is??

Caught strike three and batter is out

OBR 6.05: "A batter is out when ... (b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher; "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground."

Based on that it seems pretty clear -- batter is not out (unless 1st base is occupied w/less than 2 outs).

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OBR 6.05: "A batter is out when ... (b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher; "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground."

Based on that it seems pretty clear -- batter is not out (unless 1st base is occupied w/less than 2 outs).

Not sure about this - to me I read the rule to be if the ball is caught AFTER the foul tip then it is legally caught.

In this case the ball bounces and THEN is foul tipped into the mitt. To me you have an out.

Wow I would hate to be the ump on this one. There is a lot of judgements on this call and one team is definately not going to be happy (not that it should matter anyway).

This was the subject of great debate a while back. Some said if it bounces it can't be a foul tip. Others said once the batter attempts to hit and makes contact then the ball becomes whatever the batter does to it.
I was in the second camp. If the batter hits the bounced pitch and is foul or fair it is what it is. Why would it be any different for a foul tip?
There no professinal interp books that cover this so it left for an individual ump to make the call. You have grounds to call it either way and can sell either call. Personally I'm calling the foul tip.

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One made Ichiro famous for a week...

What was that one?

I know Vladimir Guerrero creamed a bouncer into the seats for a home run. I would have loved to have had a copy of that video every time I had to answer these "bounce in the dirt" questions.

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This was the subject of great debate a while back. Some said if it bounces it can't be a foul tip. Others said once the batter attempts to hit and makes contact then the ball becomes whatever the batter does to it.
I was in the second camp. If the batter hits the bounced pitch and is foul or fair it is what it is. Why would it be any different for a foul tip?
There no professinal interp books that cover this so it left for an individual ump to make the call. You have grounds to call it either way and can sell either call. Personally I'm calling the foul tip.

I was firmly in your camp in that other dabate on this subject. But here's the exact words outta J/R:
"..a foul tip is equivalent to a pitch that is swung at and missed, and caught, except that a pitch that bounces and is THEN foul tipped cannot be caught for an out".

Now peer pressure is the only thing that is making me rule this way, cause I'm still firmly in the, "it's a foul tip and strike 3". Just one I really don't like. That's why I was asking about any Fed. rulings?

I'm a, once it hits the bat, now it's something other than a pitch.

2.00 A BALL is a pitch which does not enter the strike zone in flight and is not struck at by the batter.
Rule 2.00 (Ball) Comment: If the pitch touches the ground and bounces through the strike zone it is a “ball.” If such a pitch touches the batter, he shall be awarded first base. If the batter swings at such a pitch after two strikes, the ball cannot be caught, for the purposes of Rule 6.05(c) and 6.09(b). If the batter hits such a pitch, the ensuing action shall be the same as if he hit the ball in flight.

I believe the last sentence is dispositive on the issue. I would call a foul tip.

That was my position in the past discussion. There were many on my side and many on the other side. No final answer was determined. If it happens with me behind the plate then I've got a foul tip.

I was/am 100% in the MST camp.

"If the batter hits such a pitch, the ensuing action shall be the same as if he hit the ball in flight."

This is my validation as well........

If this happens to me (and it hasn't yet) I will rule foul tip.

Isnt it interesting on a bounced pitch that if the batter swings and misses, its the same as a D3K (can attempt to gain First if eligible).

But if he nicks it even a tiny bit, its a foul tip and he's OUT (if the catcher secures it, of course).