Pitched ball out of play past catcher

Both of your situations involve "time of the pitch" rule applications.

Time of the Pitch:

Windup Position-TOOP occurs when the pitcher has commits himself to deliver the pitch to the batter.

Set Position-TOOP occurs the instant the pitcher, after coming to a complete and discernible stop, starts any movement with his arms and legs. 

Situation 1. "At the time of the pitch" the runners  legally held base was 1st. On a Pitched Ball out of play the award is one base. To have been awarded 3rd the runner would have had to have legally obtained second base before the time of the pitch.  Umpires correct.

Situation 2. Must not be a NFHS game. NO need for pitches any more on an intentional walk. But ......the dead ball award does not piggy-back on result of the play.........Batter gets first only.  Umpires  Incorrect.

ewchris2 posted:

  I also said that since the back stop was so close and "bad" then balls out of play need to be addressed more in ground rules before games start.

Thoughts?  Thanks

 

I agree with PIAA ump.  And, I would like to get more information on the backstop that you think needs to be addressed. 

If the ball went under, or lodged in, the backstop, there's nothing to discuss.  IT's out of play, and the rules take over.

If it went past the edges of the backstop, and it's not an enclosed field, then you could draw some (real or imaginary) line back at an angle to perhaps make more area "in play."  But, once the ball passes that line, then it's out of play and the rules take over.