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Where does this come from? Much doesnt ring true:
Throwing slower HELPS a pitcher, giving him more time to get set for the hit and the ball is less likely to return at high speed.
105 MPH is EXTRMELY fast, about the takeoff of a major league HR. I think this is talking about the theoretical performance of now-illegal aluminum bats.
quote:
"The standard exit velocity is 105 mph at the sweet spot of an aluminum bat, more than 15 mph more than wood bats. Not many pitchers Primo's age are hitting 80 mph, let alone the upper-90s that pros and high-echelon college players touch. The ball is coming back at astronomical speeds, often times almost twice at what it was thrown. So much so that pitchers can't defend themselves.
Research has shown that more than 60 percent of balls hit by aluminum bats arrive at the pitcher's mound in less than .375 seconds. Comparatively, five percent of balls hit by wooden bats arrive that quickly. You can barely blink in that time, let alone move an inch."
Throwing slower HELPS a pitcher, giving him more time to get set for the hit and the ball is less likely to return at high speed.
105 MPH is EXTRMELY fast, about the takeoff of a major league HR. I think this is talking about the theoretical performance of now-illegal aluminum bats.
I didn't know there was a standard speed.quote:The standard exit velocity is 105 mph
quote:Originally posted by micdsguy:
Where does this come from? Much doesnt ring true:
Throwing slower HELPS a pitcher, giving him more time to get set for the hit and the ball is less likely to return at high speed.
105 MPH is EXTRMELY fast, about the takeoff of a major league HR. I think this is talking about the theoretical performance of now-illegal aluminum bats.
I read somewhere (probably on the HSBBW) that the pitch most likely to result in a come-backer is a change-up low and away.
I've sat behind guns at HS games that showed readings in excess of 105 mph- not the pitch, but the ball coming off the bat.
Radar often picks up the outgoing speed of a hit. 100+ is a powerful hit, very rare in HS. I've never seen 105.
A ball traveling 90 mph (either hit or thrown) will go go 300 feet if it is launched at an angle of 30-50 degrees. More with a tail wind.
What's scary is that the ball that put this kid in the hospital was likely going less than 90 mph since this was in local Junior Legion.
I remember a little kid being killed by a foul ball to his chest--he was on deck-- which must have been under 60 mph.
A ball traveling 90 mph (either hit or thrown) will go go 300 feet if it is launched at an angle of 30-50 degrees. More with a tail wind.
What's scary is that the ball that put this kid in the hospital was likely going less than 90 mph since this was in local Junior Legion.
I remember a little kid being killed by a foul ball to his chest--he was on deck-- which must have been under 60 mph.
the speed of the ball comming off the bat sounds about right to me, because i can hit a ball off a tee well into the 80's, then if you add a pitcher throwing 85+, i have really hit some rockets.
another thing, a ball hit of the sweet spot of a wood bat can get going really fast too.
another thing, a ball hit of the sweet spot of a wood bat can get going really fast too.
I have seen a high school junior hit a line drive 105 mph with metal off a 92 mph fastball and it missed the pitchers head by inches
We have all the scientific gadgets to measure this and that. Some have stop watches to measure speed and radar guns etc etc . There is one thing that everybody has and that is their eyes and their ears etc etc.
I was around baseball for a long time. Stand behind an Lscreen when a high school kid is hitting with aluminum and then goes to wood or vice versa. question answered
I was around baseball for a long time. Stand behind an Lscreen when a high school kid is hitting with aluminum and then goes to wood or vice versa. question answered
Whats the arguement for metal bats again?
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Whats the arguement for metal bats again?
Durability and thus lower cost.
As I have said before, the problem isn't with metal bats. It's with HIGH PERFORMANCE metal bats.
It's possible to engineer a metal bat that has the same performance characteristics as a wood bat (but the durability of a metal bat).
Golf club designers do it every day.
I'm trying to think of a safer sport than baseball? We just had a 28 year old die swimming in a triathlon here last week.
On the plus side, in 150 years, no baseball player has EVER died of exercised-induced heart attack in a game. Football players die annually at hot two-a-days. I think we once had a pitcher twist his ankle running 3 poles.
On the plus side, in 150 years, no baseball player has EVER died of exercised-induced heart attack in a game. Football players die annually at hot two-a-days. I think we once had a pitcher twist his ankle running 3 poles.
IMO
It’s not so much the speed the ball leaves the bat as much as it is the frequency.
I have seen hitters that hit the ball just as hard and just as far with wood. They just don’t hit it as hard or as far as often as they do with metal.
We all know that the metal bat produces more hits, runs, offense. Therefore the metal bat produces a lot more hard hit balls. So a pitcher, who is most at risk, has a better chance of getting hit between the eyes when facing a metal bat, the more balls hit hard back up the middle means more chances to get seriously injured!. Just manufacturing a less lively bat isn’t enough, they would have to make the sweet spot the same size as a wood bat in order to even out the difference.
It’s not so much the speed the ball leaves the bat as much as it is the frequency.
I have seen hitters that hit the ball just as hard and just as far with wood. They just don’t hit it as hard or as far as often as they do with metal.
We all know that the metal bat produces more hits, runs, offense. Therefore the metal bat produces a lot more hard hit balls. So a pitcher, who is most at risk, has a better chance of getting hit between the eyes when facing a metal bat, the more balls hit hard back up the middle means more chances to get seriously injured!. Just manufacturing a less lively bat isn’t enough, they would have to make the sweet spot the same size as a wood bat in order to even out the difference.
HBO did a 30 minute special on this a couple years ago. The BESR test standards are absurd, using a 70 mph pitch, being hit by a bat swung at a comparable speed, at which levels metal and wood are comparable. I learned in law school that if you can frame the question, you can win any argument. Similarly, if you can rig the test, you'll pass it.
The exit speeds of baseballs off of metal bats once pitchers throw 80+ and batters swing with developed muscles is well beyond the reaction time of Michael Jordan and Michael Vick standing 66' away from the plate, much less any other person on the planet.
The metal bat industry takes the position of the country song:
"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?"
The exit speeds of baseballs off of metal bats once pitchers throw 80+ and batters swing with developed muscles is well beyond the reaction time of Michael Jordan and Michael Vick standing 66' away from the plate, much less any other person on the planet.
The metal bat industry takes the position of the country song:
"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?"
tpg
Right, my promblem is if presented with the option of buying a pee shooter or a rocket launcher most will choose the later.....I know I would want the equipment that gives me or my kid every advantage possible.
If a metal bat is made with wood bat exit speeds, why not just use wood...they are up to 75% cheaper, and sound better. For batting practice use baum bats and set aside 6-10 maple/ash bats for the 25 game season. The cost is close to the same.
quote:As I have said before, the problem isn't with metal bats. It's with HIGH PERFORMANCE metal bats.
Right, my promblem is if presented with the option of buying a pee shooter or a rocket launcher most will choose the later.....I know I would want the equipment that gives me or my kid every advantage possible.
If a metal bat is made with wood bat exit speeds, why not just use wood...they are up to 75% cheaper, and sound better. For batting practice use baum bats and set aside 6-10 maple/ash bats for the 25 game season. The cost is close to the same.
ya, I like wood too
I've seen some players use the same wood all season, & others break 2 a game (in hs fall baseball)
but what happens to your season if ya only have 2 left after 5 games?quote:by dmax: set aside 6-10 maple/ash bats for the 25 game season. The cost is close to the same.
I've seen some players use the same wood all season, & others break 2 a game (in hs fall baseball)
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Right, my promblem is if presented with the option of buying a pee shooter or a rocket launcher most will choose the later.....I know I would want the equipment that gives me or my kid every advantage possible.
But leagues can manage this via drop limits and BPF rating limits.
The slow pitch softball league I play in prohibits Miken and other high performance metal bats.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
If a metal bat is made with wood bat exit speeds, why not just use wood...they are up to 75% cheaper, and sound better. For batting practice use baum bats and set aside 6-10 maple/ash bats for the 25 game season. The cost is close to the same.
Wood is cheaper than the super fancy schmancy metal bats, but more expensive than the metal bats you can get at W-M.
I, for one, am happy to see this discussion kept alive. Debate maybe the biggest positive action that someday results in something getting done about the problem that is metal bats. I've seen an increase in articles highlighting the debate points in newspapers as well as on TV. It's enough to keep me minimally optimistic.
Chris, you're right about BatCo's ability to de-tune bats, but it's not the same. Japanese players use a one piece "sword" with no end cap, and not much pop. But it's not wood-like performance (still a bigger sweet spot) and the result is a Japanese swing that very few can translate w/ much success into the higher levels of American baseball. However, I'd be alright with de-tuned metal in the lower levels of the game.
Deemax makes very solid contact with points that everybody on the other side keep bringing up. Money.
We've seen the price tags on the new rocket launchers, and I'm convinced that wood (or composites) can compete if the coaches teach good hitting and manage the equipment well. This should be do-able at the HS level, but for sure at the collegiate level.
I have seen lots of maple bats stick around for more than a season. I would add that some wood bat-makers could bring back the thick handled models that I used in my youth, and have the less skilled (and more prone to break bats with poor pitch selection) use them. I'd say if your breaking 2 bats per game, you need to try a different approach at the plate.
Chris, you're right about BatCo's ability to de-tune bats, but it's not the same. Japanese players use a one piece "sword" with no end cap, and not much pop. But it's not wood-like performance (still a bigger sweet spot) and the result is a Japanese swing that very few can translate w/ much success into the higher levels of American baseball. However, I'd be alright with de-tuned metal in the lower levels of the game.
Deemax makes very solid contact with points that everybody on the other side keep bringing up. Money.
We've seen the price tags on the new rocket launchers, and I'm convinced that wood (or composites) can compete if the coaches teach good hitting and manage the equipment well. This should be do-able at the HS level, but for sure at the collegiate level.
I have seen lots of maple bats stick around for more than a season. I would add that some wood bat-makers could bring back the thick handled models that I used in my youth, and have the less skilled (and more prone to break bats with poor pitch selection) use them. I'd say if your breaking 2 bats per game, you need to try a different approach at the plate.
BESR Study
The figures are in the link.
Based on the info, with max BESR at .728:
Ball Exit Velocity(aka BEV)= (BESR + 1/2)Bat Speed + (BESR - 1/2)Picth speed
BEV= (.728 + .5)72 + (.728 - .5)85
Bev= (1.228)72 + (.228)85
BEV= 88.416 + 19.30
BEV= 107.716 MPH
BESR is a crock of *&$% and so is the NCAA and the big bat comanies for defending it.
The figures are in the link.
Based on the info, with max BESR at .728:
Ball Exit Velocity(aka BEV)= (BESR + 1/2)Bat Speed + (BESR - 1/2)Picth speed
BEV= (.728 + .5)72 + (.728 - .5)85
Bev= (1.228)72 + (.228)85
BEV= 88.416 + 19.30
BEV= 107.716 MPH
BESR is a crock of *&$% and so is the NCAA and the big bat comanies for defending it.
quote:but what happens to your season if ya only have 2 left after 5 games?
Have them hold the last 2 bats upside down while hitting to insure contact on barrel is made.
tpg
Never once while coaching have I seen a player show up with a W-M bat...not once...We were a poor high school with many poor families and in 6 years no one showed up with a W-M bat....definetly some gloves though, but no bats.
W-M = pee shooter.
quote:Wood is cheaper than the super fancy schmancy metal bats, but more expensive than the metal bats you can get at W-M.
Never once while coaching have I seen a player show up with a W-M bat...not once...We were a poor high school with many poor families and in 6 years no one showed up with a W-M bat....definetly some gloves though, but no bats.
W-M = pee shooter.
I am a strong believer in a pitcher landing in a defencive position. pitcher staying low and squared to the plate. Eyes fixed on the ball for a few seconds. Trailing foot lands in a balanced position allowing you to field the center line. So far so good. Knock on wood.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
BESR Study
BEV= (.728 + .5)72 + (.728 - .5)85
Bev= (1.228)72 + (.228)85
BEV= 88.416 + 19.30
BEV= 107.716 MPH
Your math says that a bat speed of 72 mph and a pitch of 85 mph would launch a ball at (a very lethal) 107.716 mph?
While the 85 mph pitch (as measured at the plate!) is very high. The 72 mph bat speed seems modest.
Glove Man explain. What is this saying?
Just plugging in numbers to the formula. It's self explanitory.
PGStaff
i agree, a ball hit off the sweet spot will be moving, a metal bat just has a much larger sweet spot.
quote:I have seen hitters that hit the ball just as hard and just as far with wood. They just don’t hit it as hard or as far as often as they do with metal.
i agree, a ball hit off the sweet spot will be moving, a metal bat just has a much larger sweet spot.
But 107 mph?
Consider this actual field test which is more in line with what I've seen at games:
"Batted-ball speeds for the wood bat (orange dots) range from 70 to 101-mph, with an average of 91.4-mph. Metal bat M1 (red dots) had batted-ball speeds between 70 and 100-mph with a single hit producing 108-mph. If you ignore this single outlying point, the maximum BBS for the wood bat is actually faster than the maximum BBS for this metal bat. However, the average of all batted-ball speeds for bat M1 was 94.6-mph, shich is 3.2-mph faster than the wood bat. The blue dots for bat M2 are for a very high performance baseball bat* that produced batted-ball speeds between 70 and 107-mph with an average of 101.5-mph. Even though the maximum BBS was around 107-mph, there are many hits producing batted-ball speeds much lower than the maximum BBS for wood. Not every single hit produces the maximum possible batted-ball speed."
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/bat-regulate.html
Also:
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/besr.html
Consider this actual field test which is more in line with what I've seen at games:
"Batted-ball speeds for the wood bat (orange dots) range from 70 to 101-mph, with an average of 91.4-mph. Metal bat M1 (red dots) had batted-ball speeds between 70 and 100-mph with a single hit producing 108-mph. If you ignore this single outlying point, the maximum BBS for the wood bat is actually faster than the maximum BBS for this metal bat. However, the average of all batted-ball speeds for bat M1 was 94.6-mph, shich is 3.2-mph faster than the wood bat. The blue dots for bat M2 are for a very high performance baseball bat* that produced batted-ball speeds between 70 and 107-mph with an average of 101.5-mph. Even though the maximum BBS was around 107-mph, there are many hits producing batted-ball speeds much lower than the maximum BBS for wood. Not every single hit produces the maximum possible batted-ball speed."
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/bat-regulate.html
Also:
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/besr.html
Just another thought
Back in the day pitchers were taught to follow thru and be in position to field a ball hit back to them on every pitch---we don't see that today---pitcher sare all over the place in an effort to attain more velocity
Back in the day pitchers were taught to follow thru and be in position to field a ball hit back to them on every pitch---we don't see that today---pitcher sare all over the place in an effort to attain more velocity
Should Metal Baseball Bats Be Banned Because They are Inherently Dangerous
Conclusion: Answering the Questions
1: How fast can a ball be hit using a wood bat? The batted-ball speed from a wood bat depends on the quality of the bat as well as on the pitched-ball speed and the bat-swing speed. Field studies have shown that measured batted-ball speeds for typical wood bats range from 70-mph to 110-mph. A high performance MLB quality wood bat in the hands of a good hitter could easily produce batted-ball speeds in excess of 115-mph.
2: How much faster can a ball be hit with a metal bat compared to wood? Just as was the case for wood, the batted-ball speed from a metal bat depends on the quality of the metal bat. High performance metal baseball bats that pass the current NCAA BESR and MOI performance standards might be able to hit balls about 5-mph faster than a high quality wood bat of the same length. Field studies have shown that extremely high performing metal bats can hit balls with speeds ranging from 70-mph to 110-mph, with some metal bats having a maximum batted-ball speed faster than wood and others having a maximum batted-ball speed about the same as wood. One advantage of using a metal bat is that a greater percentage of hits from a metal bat will have close to the maximum batted-ball speed, compared to a wood bat.
3. How quickly would a ball hit by a wood or metal bat arrive at the pitcher? A ball leaving the bat with a speed of 97-mph will travel the 54-feet to the pitcher in about 0.4 seconds. A ball leaving the bat 5-mph faster will arrive at the pitcher about 0.02s sooner, and a ball leaving the bat 10-mph will arrive at the pitcher about 0.04s sooner.
4. How much time does a pitcher need to safely react to a batted ball? Three unpublished field studies of reaction times for college pitchers concluded that a pitcher needs between 0.3 and 0.365 seconds to react to a ball hit directly towards him. According to the most realistic field study, pitchers should be able to deflect or avoid being struck by a ball leaving the bat at speeds of up to 120-mph. However, a pitcher who is out of position after his follow-through would need an additional 0.1 seconds and might not be able to avoid being hit by balls leaving the bat faster than 90-mph.
5. How does the speed of the ball affect the severity of a ball-impact injury? A ball leaving a wood or metal bat 5-mph faster will still be travelling 5-mph faster when it hits arrives at the pitcher, and the impact will be a couple of inches higher on the pitcher's body. Studies have shown that the severity of injury increases with the impact speed of the ball. This suggests that impacts from balls hit by both wood and metal bats could cause severe injuries to a player who is unable to avoid being hit. This conclusion is validated by documented cases of players being killed by balls hit from both wood and metal bats.
My ultimate conclusion as a scientist, after investigating these questions, is that metal baseball bats currently legal for play under NCAA and NFHS regulations do not pose a safety risk that is significantly greater than the risk of playing baseball with wood bats. Injury statistics over the last 30 years indicate that baseball is one of the safest team sports played by high school and college players. Severe injuries resulting from pitchers being struck by batted balls, are tragic, but are extremely rare. The available scientific evidence suggests that banning metal bats will not necessarily make the game of baseball any safer.
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/ban-safety.html
Conclusion: Answering the Questions
1: How fast can a ball be hit using a wood bat? The batted-ball speed from a wood bat depends on the quality of the bat as well as on the pitched-ball speed and the bat-swing speed. Field studies have shown that measured batted-ball speeds for typical wood bats range from 70-mph to 110-mph. A high performance MLB quality wood bat in the hands of a good hitter could easily produce batted-ball speeds in excess of 115-mph.
2: How much faster can a ball be hit with a metal bat compared to wood? Just as was the case for wood, the batted-ball speed from a metal bat depends on the quality of the metal bat. High performance metal baseball bats that pass the current NCAA BESR and MOI performance standards might be able to hit balls about 5-mph faster than a high quality wood bat of the same length. Field studies have shown that extremely high performing metal bats can hit balls with speeds ranging from 70-mph to 110-mph, with some metal bats having a maximum batted-ball speed faster than wood and others having a maximum batted-ball speed about the same as wood. One advantage of using a metal bat is that a greater percentage of hits from a metal bat will have close to the maximum batted-ball speed, compared to a wood bat.
3. How quickly would a ball hit by a wood or metal bat arrive at the pitcher? A ball leaving the bat with a speed of 97-mph will travel the 54-feet to the pitcher in about 0.4 seconds. A ball leaving the bat 5-mph faster will arrive at the pitcher about 0.02s sooner, and a ball leaving the bat 10-mph will arrive at the pitcher about 0.04s sooner.
4. How much time does a pitcher need to safely react to a batted ball? Three unpublished field studies of reaction times for college pitchers concluded that a pitcher needs between 0.3 and 0.365 seconds to react to a ball hit directly towards him. According to the most realistic field study, pitchers should be able to deflect or avoid being struck by a ball leaving the bat at speeds of up to 120-mph. However, a pitcher who is out of position after his follow-through would need an additional 0.1 seconds and might not be able to avoid being hit by balls leaving the bat faster than 90-mph.
5. How does the speed of the ball affect the severity of a ball-impact injury? A ball leaving a wood or metal bat 5-mph faster will still be travelling 5-mph faster when it hits arrives at the pitcher, and the impact will be a couple of inches higher on the pitcher's body. Studies have shown that the severity of injury increases with the impact speed of the ball. This suggests that impacts from balls hit by both wood and metal bats could cause severe injuries to a player who is unable to avoid being hit. This conclusion is validated by documented cases of players being killed by balls hit from both wood and metal bats.
My ultimate conclusion as a scientist, after investigating these questions, is that metal baseball bats currently legal for play under NCAA and NFHS regulations do not pose a safety risk that is significantly greater than the risk of playing baseball with wood bats. Injury statistics over the last 30 years indicate that baseball is one of the safest team sports played by high school and college players. Severe injuries resulting from pitchers being struck by batted balls, are tragic, but are extremely rare. The available scientific evidence suggests that banning metal bats will not necessarily make the game of baseball any safer.
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats-new/ban-safety.html
I totally agree
quote:My ultimate conclusion as a scientist, after investigating these questions, is that metal baseball bats currently legal for play under NCAA and NFHS regulations do not pose a safety risk that is significantly greater than the risk of playing baseball with wood bats.
Oh another myth unravelled.
You mean "Busted" as Adam and Jamie would say.quote:Oh another myth unravelled.
However, I don't think the last word is in on this debate. For example, as has been said here, it's not only how fast the ball returns but how OFTEN.
The word "significantly" is significant if you're the one-in-a-decade dying.quote:do not pose a safety risk that is significantly greater...
It has been mentioned here in the past (and ignored in this thread so far), but how often the pitcher must make quality pitches only to have them dinked safely into play by a poor quality swings should be factored into the argument. Metal bats enable bad hitters. We should care half as much about the arm health of pitchers as we care about hitters egos.
Metal poles are for flags and maybe Festivus, certainly not baseball. If you enjoy the quality of metal bat baseball then just say so. We'll get you some help
If you make your living off of selling metal bats come clean and we'll help you find meaningful employment.
You'll sleep better!
Otherwise get on board and quit arguing against the betterment of the game.
Metal poles are for flags and maybe Festivus, certainly not baseball. If you enjoy the quality of metal bat baseball then just say so. We'll get you some help
If you make your living off of selling metal bats come clean and we'll help you find meaningful employment.
You'll sleep better!Otherwise get on board and quit arguing against the betterment of the game.
I agree the sweet spot is larger . i have also noticed that metal bats lose their pop after awhile. My son has pitched against both for years and doesn't prefer one over the other. H edoes feel that more balls drop in compared to metal but says both can get you if you let your gaurd down.
There is danger in any sport. I was listening to a program the other day about former football players who now suffering from all sorts of mental and physical disorders because of the beating they took as professionals.
Most hockey players do not have their own teeth and scared on the faces. Flying hockey pucks do great damage. Divers in competition often hit their heads on the diving board.
Accidents happen in baseball, with wood or metal. The best defense is what you teach your pitcher at an early age, his proper landing is important as BBD suggests, stay low and your eye on the ball.
Today I went to a baseball tournament, asked why they were not playing with wood,answer was "time frame".
I do feel that young players should get as many chances as they can playing with wood because it is how the "real" game is played. The other night I listened to a milb baseball game, after 4 hours, in the 7th, I turned it off. Wood makes things move slower.
I never heard of anyone getting hurt when my son was younger. Are the new hi tech composite bats more dangerous than the ones he played with? If so than w blame the parents that buy these things so their sons can have higher BA and more home runs. If you folks don't like metal bats, STOP BUYING THEM.
JMO.
Most hockey players do not have their own teeth and scared on the faces. Flying hockey pucks do great damage. Divers in competition often hit their heads on the diving board.
Accidents happen in baseball, with wood or metal. The best defense is what you teach your pitcher at an early age, his proper landing is important as BBD suggests, stay low and your eye on the ball.
Today I went to a baseball tournament, asked why they were not playing with wood,answer was "time frame".
I do feel that young players should get as many chances as they can playing with wood because it is how the "real" game is played. The other night I listened to a milb baseball game, after 4 hours, in the 7th, I turned it off. Wood makes things move slower.
I never heard of anyone getting hurt when my son was younger. Are the new hi tech composite bats more dangerous than the ones he played with? If so than w blame the parents that buy these things so their sons can have higher BA and more home runs. If you folks don't like metal bats, STOP BUYING THEM.
JMO.
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
The other night I listened to a milb baseball game, after 4 hours, in the 7th, I turned it off. Wood makes things move slower.
A wise man once said, "nothing slows down a baseball game like speed." Maybe that's what your seeing rather than the effect of wood?
Amen sister.quote:If you folks don't like metal bats, STOP BUYING THEM.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
tpgquote:Wood is cheaper than the super fancy schmancy metal bats, but more expensive than the metal bats you can get at W-M.
Never once while coaching have I seen a player show up with a W-M bat...not once...We were a poor high school with many poor families and in 6 years no one showed up with a W-M bat....definetly some gloves though, but no bats.
W-M = pee shooter.
This past year on my son's varsity team, we had a senior come out for the first time (he was a stud football player) and he used a Worth bat he bought at Rite-Aid for $35. He hit a homer in his first at bat and half the team started using it. Later in the season he ordered another Worth bat online for $ 60.00.
quote:Have them hold the last 2 bats upside down while hitting to insure contact on barrel is made.
That, Deemax, is the funniest thing I have read all day/
quote:This past year on my son's varsity team, we had a senior come out for the first time (he was a stud football player) and he used a Worth bat he bought at Rite-Aid for $35. He hit a homer in his first at bat and half the team started using it. Later in the season he ordered another Worth bat online for $ 60.00.
That sounds about right (follow the leader), we just never had any stud football players or any worth bats. The kids that were really poor would use one of their teammates rocket launchers.