Pitcher of Record

Starter.

New pitcher is not pitcher of record until he throws a live pitch.

As I thought. Thanks Midlo Dad.

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
Starter.

New pitcher is not pitcher of record until he throws a live pitch.

Not quite. He can pick off a runner and get a W without throwing a pitch.

Good trivia question!

Unless it is a nine inning game. Then don't you have to go five innings to obtain the win?

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Originally posted by LHPitcher:
Unless it is a nine inning game. Then don't you have to go five innings to obtain the win?

HS doesn't play nine inning games.

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Originally posted by LHPitcher:
Unless it is a nine inning game. Then don't you have to go five innings to obtain the win?

Only the starter.

What are the requirements for a starting pitcher to get a win in a 7-inning (HS) game ? If the game ends up being shortened to 5 innings due to the mercy rule, would the starter get the win if he completed 3 innings ? Haven't seen this documented ! Thanks.

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Originally posted by cjm3baseball:
What are the requirements for a starting pitcher to get a win in a 7-inning (HS) game ? If the game ends up being shortened to 5 innings due to the mercy rule, would the starter get the win if he completed 3 innings ? Haven't seen this documented ! Thanks.

Yes, he would.......here you go....

NFHS rule 9-6-6

To get the win the starting pitcher must complete: three innings (game goes six or fewer innings) or four innings (game goes seven or more innings).

I've been complaining about the 'must pitch 4 innings' thing in other threads. I've seen several occasions around here where the score keeper gives the win to a starter throwing 3 innings of a 7 inning game. It appears to happen a lot.

Of course, all things even out. Last night, my son blew a 2-1 lead by giving up a run in the bottom of the sixth (starter went a very impressive 5). We scored one in the bottom of six and son held on in 7th, so he got a vulture win after a blown save for the same starter.

Is there such a stat as a 'save' in HS ball?

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Originally posted by JMoff:
I've been complaining about the 'must pitch 4 innings' thing in other threads. I've seen several occasions around here where the score keeper gives the win to a starter throwing 3 innings of a 7 inning game. It appears to happen a lot.

Yes, it does....and thats a reason many High school and youth stats are often not worth the paper they are written on.....

And it is the well intentioned home team scorekeeper who is at the core of the problem.

The basic differences between something as basic as a FC and a hit,a pitching win or save get erased based on who is doing the book and the level of scoring ability that they have.

Often I read in the paper about a game I umpired and I have to wonder if it was the same game I attended. A player is reported as going 3-4 when at best it was 1-4 with more errors than hits. Does it harm anything? probably not....but when a parent sends out letters saying the player hits .600....something is suspect....

Even the best intentioned scorekeepers catch heat from parents to lean in the team favor.....I would not want their job........

Slightly different facts, from my son's college game Sunday. Our starter went three, (wasn't going to get win, first time on the mound since sitting out a year after shoulder surgery, cold and damp) left with a 6-3 lead, first reliever pitches one inning, gives up 2. We score 3 in top of fifth, and bring in a new pitcher who throws 4 solid innings, giving up 2, while we add several more runs. Other school's scorer gives win to the first reliever. I would have used "official" discretion and awarded win to the kid that threw 4 effective innings, rather than one who threw one mediocre innng. Opinions?

I could see that......yet since the hometeam scorer is the official scorer it seems he didnt see it that way, athough, the NCAA rules do provide an option to award the win to the other reliever as shown below.....


b. If the starting pitcher does not pitch enough innings, the win is credited
to a relief pitcher in the following manner:
(1) The winning relief pitcher shall be the one who is the pitcher of record when his team goes ahead and remains ahead throughout the remainder of the game. No pitcher may receive credit for a victory if the opposing team ties the score or goes ahead after he has left the game.

Exception—If a relief pitcher conforms to the above regulations but pitches briefly and ineffectively, the scorer should not credit him with a win. If a succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively and helps maintain the lead, the scorer should award the win to that succeeding pitcher.

NCAA also allows the coaches to confer before the game when it is known the pitcher will not go 5. Had they conferred in the game you mention, the starter could have been credited with the W.

This exception does not exist in MLB or NFHS rules.