Sorry I was unsure what to call it. But I was wondering if anyone has ever developed a pitchers quality at bat chart. Similar to that of a batter but in reverse.
If not what could be a neg and pos for a pitchers approach.
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quote:Originally posted by boom:
Sorry I was unsure what to call it. But I was wondering if anyone has ever developed a pitchers quality at bat chart. Similar to that of a batter but in reverse.
If not what could be a neg and pos for a pitchers approach.
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
We do not have a Quality Pitching Chart but we have % goals that we want to see met
Leadoff man retired 67%
First pitch strike 65%
Two of first three pitches strikes 75%
Hits per inning 1.0
3 base on balls
Strike out to walk ratio 66%
Ball/Strike ratio 62%
ERA 3.00
Pitches per inning 15.0
quote:Originally posted by boom:
I sat down with some of my pitcher and came up with one. We call it the Quality Outing Report.
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quote:I see a lot of interesting things in it, but quite frankly to me there’s way too many items on the list. I’ve found that when there are too many items making up the computation for any particular metric, people easily lose interest in it. But if it works for your purposes, its all good!
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
We use game changer so it pretty much computes itself. In regards to the goals because they are reasonable game goals I also believe they are reasonable season goals. Are kids going to reach these goals day in and day out no. In regards to FPS we keep things simple. We set up, most of the time, down the middle and at the knees. We preach pound the fast balls and get me over Curve Balls on first pitch. Currently we are sitting at 63% with our #1 at 70%. If we look at LOM we have played 4 games now and our Lead Off man percentage is 79% with our #1 at 85%.
In regards to how to we use these goals you would need to elaborate on what you mean.
quote:Originally posted by boom:
It is still in it developmental stages. I plan on subtracting things and adding things over time. I am using it more as a reflecting tool rather than anything else. The pitchers were getting upset because the batter got to see their charts that told them everything they did at an a bat and the pitcher did not. So i just created something. Now the pitcher are happy but we have yet to test it in a game.
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
Stats,
I agree that FPS can be a little unreliable. However when you look a gamechanger they list FPS and FPSO which is outs after FPS. I have a pitcher that his FPS is 45% but his FPSO is 82% so you would have to put weight to it. All my pitchers have a higher FPSO than there FPS. I put more weight in LOM and 2 our of the first 3 pitches are strikes % that the FPS. We have 1 guy that is horrible at FPS but is a very effective pitcher and his LOM and 2 out of 3 strikes are a whole lot better. I do not believe that FPS factor greatly to wins and losses but I have seen that when we throw 2 of the first 3 for strikes and dominate the LOM it always gives us a chance to win games.
The other thing I like about Gamechnager compared to maxpreps is that there stats are more detailed and you can lock your stats for a small fee. When we used maxpreps I had a lot of in fighting amongst players and parents questioning stats, mostly around batting average which we do not even put a lot of weight in.
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
That is correct. 2 out of 3 is not a gamechanger stat. It is a stat that I picked up along the way through college and the HS coaches that I started to coach with. Gamechanger sort of does it for you though. If you were able to look at the score sheet of a game it tells you which tell you in progression which pitches were strikes and balls.
For example....
S 125
B 34
I also agree with you about the FPSO. This is the first year we have used game changer so I will keep you updated. The thing that I really like to se is the break down of the pitches and the percentages that they are thrown at. He really makes you stop and think that especially at the HS level the fastball is truly the best pitch.
quote:Originally posted by boom:
We just did our first test run. Our pitcher had a great game and threw a complete game. He ended up with 45 points. So he is the standard or the person to beat for the rest of the pitchers.
quote:Good things was on the ride home we got to sit down and go over every pitch with the catcher and pitcher. They got to discuss what worked and what did not. It was amazing to watch them debate their approaches after about 6 hitters I could of walked away from the conversation.
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
Your charts are pretty much in line with what we do. I agree with what you are saying about location. Unless you have a knowledgeable guy that knows exact pitch, location, and is directly behind homeplate location can be useless and unreliable. We do track on game changer what pitch was thrown and it computes for us the percentage of that type of pitch. I have never had this before and I really like it.
quote:If you’re using a computer to track them, would you mind posting his numbers? I’m always curious to see the numbers behind the numbers. Wink
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
Totally not offended at all about asking about why we didn't track those pitches. My aswer is I don't know. I guess since I was looking at overall strike % I just was looking at the overall picture. Now I see a different picture. For example we ask our pitchers to throw 66% strikes. We have a kid who goes FB 71%, Chng 50%, SL 40% and yet I kept wondering why the kids numbers did not meaure up. A) mechanically he is not sound B) OS is called way to much when we break the numbers down. 1 out of every 4 pitches is a slider which means out of every 10 only 4 will be a strike. As opposed to 7.1 FB out out of 10.
quote:Originally posted by boom:
We have a parent keeping official record of the game using iscore. But for our charts and scorebook we keep paper and assign a duty to the players. This keeps everyone involved in the game and doing something.
quote:Originally posted by boom:
Stats4Gnats I use alot of paper and electronic things to evaluated progress. I use the QAB as a way to get my point across to the players. We can sit down and discuss each pitch of their at bats and each pitch of the pitching approach.
If you saw a chart I designed you would probably understand better.
quote:Originally posted by boom:
Its hard but they come to my classroom early the day after. They also fill out a pitcher evaluation form after they pitch that allows me to speed up the conversation.