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A quick question about pitchers' workouts - in high school and in college - for their school teams, not travel.

My experience, at the high school level, with one son pitching (another going to as he just made the freshman team), is that at the freshman and JV team, there isn't a lot of individual work with the pitchers.  Both teams had two coaches, the freshman team and 20 players and the JV team 16. Freshman got very little work, JV would go and throw a bullpen with the varsity pitching coach once every two weeks or so.  Other than that ... "what did you do at practice today?" "Jogged around the field, shagged fly balls ... not much."  The varsity had three full time coaches and a part timer. Their pitchers, I think, got a lot of work and "lessons" for lack of a better word.

Dealing with freshman and JV in high school, have your pitchers gotten enough work, if they weren't pitching regularly, to 1) keep their arms strong; and 2) learn and grow as pitchers - as in "let's work on your curveball, or change up, a bit" or "let's spend some time working on pick off moves"?

I ask because my older son, when he made the JV team, was pretty much the last pitcher used. He pitched 5 innings in three months, whereas with travel ball in January before the season started he had, in three games, one outing of 4 innings and two of 5 innings. His arm strength and control deteriorated from disuse and it took a good two months back in travel ball to build back up to where he was in January. With my younger son heading for the freshman team I'm wondering if he is actually going to improve as a pitcher or stagnate.  (To be fair, there is a new coach, so things may be different.)

I assume, without knowing, that things are different in college, but TBH I thought things would be different with travel ball and they weren't. In my fantasy world, the practice would be half of the practice being the entire team working on team drills, then the second half coach would say "OK! Pitchers with the pitching coach, everyone else with me!" The pitchers would go and work on pickoffs, fielding their position off the mound, arm strength and flexibility, and their pitching. Does that fantasy world exist anywhere in the real world?

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There aren't many POs in my area, so I might not be the most helpful. The guys getting recruited to pitch in college are often the best overall players on their team as well so it is tough to practice as a pitcher when almost everybody pitches and play a position.

In general I would say that HS coaching is pretty underwhelming when it comes to pitching. There are plenty of guys who know what they're doing and manage their pitching staff well. Then there are plenty of guys who aren't having their guys to band work, weekly bullpens, simulated games, live BP, PFPs, etc,. Especially at the lower levels. It depends on the staff. To that point. If a guy is only throwing 5 innings in 3 months, most would not consider him a pitcher. Just a player that throws from time to time. If your kids aren't throwing enough and need to get their work in they should be doing it on the side. 

As for travel. 2019 played at some of the highest levels of travel ball. I saw those guys as master recruiters more than I saw them as baseball gurus. I preferred it that way. They knew their stuff, but the majority of the work was done on the players own time. Especially since the team was not getting together and practicing often. He played for some of the best teams in the country and the best PC he has ever had is a 15 minute drive from us. 

College is a different world and can't be compared. Those guys are being recruited solely to pitch. They will get their work in. It is actually the only work they get in unless they are a rare 2 way recruit. 

My son has been PO all through high school and is one of the top starters so he gets plenty of work, but it was really important to him being strong and ready to pitch to have his own routine of core work lifting and throwing. As you move to high school and beyond, fewer and fewer kids survive the climbs to the next level and if you don’t put in the work on your own, you won’t climb. Unfortunately once they leave little league they all don’t always get the attention they need....just my thoughts

My son is a 2 way &  does 99% of his work on his own. HS coach is totally clueless on pitching. The problem we run into is during the season, the schedule is so compacted it’s hard to get much in.  We pretty much hope to maintain what he’s gained during the off season & put more intense work in after it’s over. 

Freshman &/or JV teams don't go to playoffs, so naturally those kids won't get enough instruction, particularly considering the time constraints (1-1.5 hr per day) & ratio of coaches to players. 

IF your kids want or need more, best to get it elsewhere...on there own in the back yard, at a facility, pitching lessons, etc.

POs are kinda like punters and kickers in football.  They go to a different field and do their own thing.  We have no PO's so I can't give you advice but I know a friend who does and it is only him and an assistant.  They tried a helper but it failed miserably because he wanted to be the kid's friend.  They make the pitchers come in after practice and work with them but they do not get enough work in to please everybody, especially the guys who only throw a little.  They are expected to do that on their own.  As a coach, you only have a certain amount of time to work on stuff in practice.  You work with your best and on down.  I do not know a JV coach who does anything with pitchers unless they get a little time with the varsity PC.  Most JV coaches have their hands full in the little time they get to use the field.  Most also have some duties with the Varsity.  As I heard a guy at a seminar say, that is what the academies are for.  To fill in your time you don't get at practice.  Most coaches would love to be able to invest in everyone but there is just not enough time.  Have your son make friends with the catcher and ask him to catch a bullpen a couple of times a week after practice. 

Just to add to this. Pitcher's have their own routines. They know what they have to do during the week to get ready for the next start in terms of rest, preparation, etc. And for the most part, they don't want that messed with.

For a lot of pitchers it is just game, band work/bullpen/rest, and then next game. Telling a guy to throw a 50 pitch bullpen in between starts when he only needs a 30 isn't going to help. Having pitchers work on pickoff moves and fielding grounders for 2 hours on their off days is going to bore them to death. Development mostly happens in the offseason. It is the pitchers job to be ready for the season. Not many guys are getting stronger or increasing arm strength in the middle of the season. That happens in November. When you only pitch once every 5 days, there is going to be a lot of ball shagging and hanging out. 

If your son or any pitcher for that matter isn't getting enough innings, that is a conversation that needs to be brought up with the coach. But 5IP in 3 months would tell me the coach does not consider him one of his pitchers. Might not like the answer you get, but you will know what to do moving forward. 

My son has finally become a PO this year. He says that practice is a lot more boring. OTOH the entire varsity staff of 9 pitchers are all POs, except 1 (and the one two-way is mostly a hitter who will throw a few relief innings) so at least he's got a lot of other POs to throw with, and also they have a weekly routine that they all follow. And plenty of individual attention from the PC. Oh, and they practice picks incessantly and have tons of PFPs. 

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In my experience HS coaches review the pool of athletes they are provided and put the best ones on the field.
Ultimately it is the responsibility of the athlete to be conditioned and game ready.

I will say in HS they drilled PFPs extensively. I believe my son got a very good understanding of bunt coverages, relays, pickoffs etc, because he always seemed to be a little advanced in that area on his travel teams. They threw their pens but and side sessions but there was no time for much more in-depth stuff. HS baseball season is pretty short here in the northeast.

When it came to pitching my son has his personal pitching coach that he worked with off season. There were times during the spring season when his mechanics or "feel" would drop off and he'd go see his guy for a tune-up. He also typically saw his pitching coach in preparation for his playoff starts.

Our HS coaches are great at managing the game and developing the team to play together.  Not so much at developing the individual.  It took us a few years to understand the individual work required outside of practice to continue to grow as a player.  We have had one coach from 8U through VS baseball that was able to significantly grow individual players with in a team practice.  The only reason he was able to manage that growth was the time commitment was huge over an 8 week period.  

There is just not enough time or man power to get the reps and attention to each individual player in a team practice.  

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