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heres my situation, i am a sophomore and i played jv last year but im on varsity this year. Over the summer i was basically the number 2 pitcher on my team and during the later part of the summer and fall i pitched mostly against 18u teams and did well. The last time i pitched for my summer team was the first week of january, and i pitched a total of 5 innings over a weekend. Then my high school team went through winterball and i only pitched a total of two innings so about 15-20 pitches at most in an outing. During winterball i was throwing about 25-30 pitch bullpens weekly but once the season started in late Feb it changed and i have thrown probably 5 bullpens since. Coach tells me he needs me, and will use me in relief, its been about 8 regular season games and there have been oppurtunities to use me but hasnt, so he sent me down to get a start on jv went 3 innings and got tired felt like i was horrible pitching, and 3 weeks later (now) he is gonna send me down to get a start and says he is gonna do this for one game a week so i can get starts and get innings.
While i was pitching during the summer, i was very successful, and was able to hang and beat 18u as a 15 year old sophomore. Now 3 months since i last pitched while i was at my good state, and i feel i have lost some velocity, dont feel comfortable on the mound, and really am dissapointed.
I am looking for some advice on what to do so i can get back into my groove, instead of just plummeting. Do you think after taking some starts on jv and getting innnings and throwing longer stretches will help me? Or should i dig deeper and do something else like get a pitching coach....or something else. PLease help me any advice i will be thankful about.

"I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it."- Sandy Koufax

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Gotta realize that pitching is a two phase motor skill

If you're expect to pitch 70, 80, 100 pitches in a game. Why the heck would you be throwing 20-30 pitch bullpens once a week?

How do you expect to make up the extra 50 pitches? Magic?

Okay enough condecending talk

28.6 - The Science and Art of Baseball Pitching:

"Skill learning is determined by performing skill repetitions and obtaining feedback in the absence of fatigue.

For skill learning to occur, learning has to take place in blocks so that feedback [videotaping your bullpen] from one trial [ie. 5 pitches] can be used to modify the next trial [after a 2-3 min break, throw five more pitches]. That feedback gradually causes good elements to be retained and poor elemtns to be altered. The essential feature of learning is that the proximity of trails allows the learning benefits (feedback) from one trial to transfer to the next.
However, when other activities intervene between repititions of a skill, the benefits of feedback are disrupted. This interference means that what is experienced in one trial quickly becomes masked by the intervening unrelated activities.
Consequently, sporadic trails with unrelated trials in between do not foster learning. This is a major reason for skill dvelopment not being an artifact of a game experience.
A block of repitions of the same skill should promote learning and improvement.

Fatigue. Fatigue is the other main feature that must be considered when planning or conducting skill development in a training session. Fatigue impedes learning. Skills and tactical elements are learned faster and retained better when learning occurs in non-fatigued states. All learning should precede any occurrence of fatigue in a training session.
To some coaches, this principle may be contradictory to their understanding of the use of the principle of specificity. It is commonly asserted that if skills are to be performed when an athelete is tired, then learning those skills while experiencing the level of fatigue that will occur in a game is the best procedure. However, it has been shown that techniques and tactics learned in non-fatigued states produce better performances in fatigued states than do skills which have been learned in the presence of fatigue (Barnett, Ross, Schmidt, & Todd, 1973; Williams, McEwan, Watkins, Gillespie, & Boyd, 1979). The physiology of learning supports this finding.
The formation of neuromuscular patterns in inhibited by increases in acidity of the supporting physiological environment. Thus, when lactic acid accrues because of physical fatigue, the potential for learned in reduced.
The other and more common complication of fatigue involves neuromuscular patterns."



I won't bore you any more... but, if you want me to continue just ask.
Anyways, what that is saying is that you're not going to get any improvement by just pitching in games, unless you haven't pitched at all, then anytime you take someone in an unconditioned state and condition them, there'll be some improvements (unless you get bad habits and then you'll degress).

So what you want to do is throw in blocked sets (5 pitches a set) while videotaping yourself. If you know what to look for, this will help. Or if you wanna get a pitching coach, hopefully he knows what he's doing.
So, 5 pitches, take a 2-3 minute break studying video or doing mental imagery (as fatigue impedes learning, and I'll expand on the mental imagery thing because.. I care). Then do the next 5, repeat. Don't throw the 5 right down the middle, practice on low and away, low and up, inside and low, inside and high.
If you're required to throw 80 pitches in a game, you better be throwing 80+ pitches in the bullpen.


11.4

"Mental imagery (rehearsal) is a procedure that can be used to learn strategies and to assist in the control of mental focus before and during a game. Mentally rehearsing a physical skill sets the body to respond better in the action that is imagined or rehearsed. The perception or imagination of a motion in a person produced impulses in the neuromuscular pattern to perform that motion (Bakker, Boschker, & Chung, 1996; Harris & Robinson, 1986) and excites the same areas of the brain used in real ations (Lacourse, Randolph Orr, & Turner, 2003). The benefit that occurs from this pheneomenon is called "neuromuscular facilitation" and is known as the "Carpenter effect"... The effect of this imagery is not as great with intermediate or novice level atheletes as it is with élite performers. Teaching imagery skills increases the use of imagery and is associated with performance improvements, particularly in difficult skill elements (Rogers & Buckholz, 1991)."
If you pitch 5 pitches, take a 2-3 minute break, and pitch 5 more pitches, 2-3 minute break, keep repeating

(Let's assume you took 3 minute break)
That's 48 minutes
Now lets say you took 30 seconds per pitch. That's 40 minutes. It only takes about 3 seconds to throw a pitch.
So that's 36 minutes where you're recovering.

That should be enough to hold off fatigue. Assuming the pitcher is in good aerobic fitness (which improves the capacity to practice, among other things).

Now, for the original poster. I'd have him throw as many pitches (in blocked sets) as possible until (because I'd be videotaping) I start seeing things being altered, missing his spots, things of that nature. Then we'd call it a day, and when he feels recovered (depends on the individual) we'd go out and do it again, and again, and get him conditioned to throw the pitches expected to him in a game, and then some.

Working aerobically does improve the capacity to practice, but there shouldn't be any substitute to pitching 80 pitches from a mound.
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One thing that I've found that has helped me (and I'll start this by saying this has helped me... no true theory, just a personal preference) is after I'm done warming up every day I'll throw about 10-15 pitches on flat ground from about 60ft. I really focus on getting my legs involved and what my arms, legs are doing during the throw (technical stuff). This allows me to not to need many bullpens during the season while keeping my stuff sharp... once again, this works for me... but something similar may help?
WOW -

Does this one hit home...

SD my son is same age/year to you and made his first Varsity Pitching start last week..

His start was the fourth game they played in five days, he plays two ways and as a result none of the pitchers had much bullpen work, other than pre-game warmup's...

He won his first start, by mercy rule (doesn't hurt a young pitcher to have his offensive give him a pair of Home runs!), and pitched the full five innings..

He had three strikeouts, two walks and gave up six hits.. In the last two innings he sat down the side on grounders and fly balls and kept his pitch count at 67 for the five innings..

After the game he was knida disaapointed that he didn't have more strikeouts and said he just didn't feel "awesome" on the mound.. He shared it with his coaches who agreed lack of bullpens probably contributed...

I took a page from TRHit's advise and made sure he understood a ground out or flyout is what's really expected and appreciated by high level coaching - getting out's is the name of the game, plus strikeouts increase pitch counts....

X- GREAT post(s) - Thank you, I'll certainly use this thread to help my kid...

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