Go44dad posted:Do you guys think you have been played?
It's possible. But some people really have no idea. It's amazing how many people have kids playing ball who have little clue. I knew a lot of people who thought baseball players at every level of college ball are on a full ride. I love the look on their face when they process it's 11.7 rides for the entire team at the best level of ball. It's more entertaining g when they find out D3 (where most local kids play if they do) get nothing.
Go44dad posted:Do you guys think you have been played?
Always a possibility. Don't really care.
The Pirates once signed a couple of cricket players. But they had time to be trained and developed. They still didn't make it to the majors. A college pitcher needs to be able to deliver soph season if not sooner.
RJM posted:Go44dad posted:Do you guys think you have been played?
It's possible. But some people really have no idea. It's amazing how many people have kids playing ball who have little clue. I knew a lot of people who thought baseball players at every level of college ball are on a full ride. I love the look on their face when they process it's 11.7 rides for the entire team at the best level of ball. It's more entertaining g when they find out D3 (where most local kids play if they do) get nothing.
I see a lot of people who are stunned at the realization that the majority of players who are starting position players on D3's were All Conference players in High School.
JCG posted:If you're his grandpa, and you are able to catch his pitches without fearing for your life, he's not throwing nearly hard enough for there to be any hope of him pitching in college.
This sounds pretty reasonable. I quite catching Ryan several years ago. I
3and2Fastball posted:RJM posted:Go44dad posted:Do you guys think you have been played?
It's possible. But some people really have no idea. It's amazing how many people have kids playing ball who have little clue. I knew a lot of people who thought baseball players at every level of college ball are on a full ride. I love the look on their face when they process it's 11.7 rides for the entire team at the best level of ball. It's more entertaining g when they find out D3 (where most local kids play if they do) get nothing.
I see a lot of people who are stunned at the realization that the majority of players who are starting position players on D3's were All Conference players in High School.
When the new high school coach came on board he wanted to do more than win. He wanted his program to be known for getting kids to college ball Under the previous coach there were 17 losing seasons in 20 years with only a handful of kids going on to D3. One kid was drafted in the 7th round. Those were his three winning seasons.
When my son was a junior he asked in a fall meeting with parents and players, "Who wants to play college ball?" Everyone raised their hands.
"Who wants to play division one?" Everyone raised their hands. Then he asked who has been to a D1 game (two stadiums with biking distance). Three hands went up. He then said there are three potential D1 players in the room (they all went D1).
One father got indignant. He asked how the hell the coach knew. The coach told him there are only three players working hard enough to get to D1 and they've been doing it since middle school. It's why they've been invited to play on the travel teams they play.
Eleven kids from my son's junior year went on to play college ball. The three D1, a D2 and the rest D3. The team won the conference and went to states his junior and senior year.
At the high school my son will be going to there has been just one D1 player in the last 20 years, and he was a pitcher at a high academic school. His Dad thought he would get drafted out of college but it didn't happen. Zero position players have gone D1 out of that high school in 20 years. There have been about eight D3 players in the last 10 years.
Of course in 7th & 8th Grade, half the parents of the Little League All-Star and Travel Ball kids think that their son is going pro, and figure college ball is a given.
The numbers don't add up.
Kingsman posted:Wouldn’t that depend on if he could get the hitters out?
Just as some back ground, his last year in LL, he faced 61 batters when he was not experimenting but throwing his stuff, and gave up just 5 hard hit balls,….a 12 to One ratio of batters to hard hit balls. But we have the videos of those 5 at bats that gave up the hard hit balls. And we see in everyone of them there was something incorrect about what we have since realized was his CORRECT delivery but did not know it at the time. Looking back, we see when his delivery was right and he was throwing his stuff he knew worked, the videos show he never gave up a hard hit ball in two years time. So we really don’t believe he would have given up all 5 of those he did give up.. He might really have been 15 or 20 to One or even better. And that was with just one delivery. He really developed two. The other went 5 no hit innings on two outings in all star competition and he never pitched that way again. We didn’t know such as that made a difference at the time to have gotten him to still use it. Anyway if he got his pitches, his deliveries down to not make those mistakes, and got to where he could mix the deliveries together against a hitter in the same at bat, I don’t think we have any idea how good he might be. He might be 12 to One at the highschool level if he were playing now. By comparison, I have monitored Waynewright and Marinez for the Cardinals. They are pitching every third day or so and making millions a year and they rarely get as high as 4 to One in any game I have monitored or any other big league pitcher. So he has a lot of room for his stats to drop and still have a chance.
I think I said he has pitched to me [9th grade] with increased speed and just as accurate at the adult distance and looks fine. Thanks for the help, Kingsman
What he did in LL really has no bearing, . . . it's where's he at, at the end of HS and he's got to have something to show recruiters and scouts to get their attention; that's either a history of being able to get hitters out at this level and up and/or showing them now that he can get hitters out. So . . . YES, a LOT depends on whether he can get hitters out. Recruiters and scouts take a close look at prospects performances to try and determine if they "project" to the next level. So, they've got to see him pitch and they've got to see him pitch in multiple competitive situations. It's VERY competitive out here and your son is competing against very good players who recruiters and scouts HAVE SEEN. So, the best thing your son can do is get out there on some team and play to show these recruiters and scouts that he can actually do what you're saying he can do. This next summer is a good time to get seen.
1) Let's start with you accepting what he did in LL is meaningless. It was low level pre high school baseball. If accepted. I've on to number two.
2) How hard does he throw. Don't guess. Tell us what the radar gun says.
From this point it's possible for people here to have a legitimate conversation about where he should target for some long odds.
The opportunity for a baseball scholarship is extremely low if not non existent. He may have a long shot at walking on.
But it starts with what he radar gun reads.
Add: Don't ever compare your son to anything a MLBer does. You lose credibility. The comparison puts me past 50/50 you're trolling the site for reaction.
With respects, I thought it was about getting people out.
Just as some back ground, his last year in LL, he faced 61 batters when he was not experimenting but throwing his stuff, and gave up just 5 hard hit balls,….a 12 to One ratio of batters to hard hit balls. But we have the videos of those 5 at bats that gave up the hard hit balls. And we see in everyone of them there was something incorrect about what we have since realized was his CORRECT delivery but did not know it at the time. Looking back, we see when his delivery was right and he was throwing his stuff he knew worked, the videos show he never gave up a hard hit ball in two years time. So if he had known then what to correct like he knows now and has already done that, we really don’t believe he would have given up all 5 of those he did give up.. He might really have been 15 or 20 to One or even better. And that was with just one delivery. He really developed two. The other went 5 no hit innings on two outings in all star competition and he never pitched that way again. We didn’t know such as that made a difference at the time to have gotten him to still use it. Anyway if he got his pitches, his deliveries down to not make those mistakes, and got to where he could mix the deliveries together against a hitter in the same at bat, I don’t think we have any idea how good he might be. He might be 12 to One at the highschool level if he were playing now. By comparison, I have monitored Waynewright and Martinez for the Cardinals. They are pitching every third day or so and making millions a year and they rarely get as high as 4 to One in any game I have monitored or any other big league pitcher.
He was not as fast as a lot of boys even in little league....but he got people out at a far better rate. So he has a lot of room for his stats to drop and still have a chance.
Don't forget Stu Miller had a fast ball in the 80's and he pitched in all star games!
It doesn' t matter how fast you throw .... It matters whether you can fool the hitters.. And that's really all it does matter, Kingsman
You aren't going to be taken seriously by any college or pro scout anywhere talking about Little League stats, results or experiences. And the same is true here.
Start with RJM's excellent advice: how many MPH is he throwing? If he isn't throwing at least 80 mph there is not a single college anywhere that will take him. If he is throwing below 85 it is likely that there won't be a single D1 school that would be interested.
You can rant & rave, if you want, about how that isn't fair or whatever, but those are realities that one must wrap their mind around.
On the very, very slight chance this isn't a troll thread, my suggestion is this - take the kid to a Perfect Game showcase. One of the things they do best is rate players based on future projectability. Post back with the results.
Kingsman posted:With respects, I thought it was about getting people out.
Just as some back ground, his last year in LL, he faced 61 batters when he was not experimenting but throwing his stuff, and gave up just 5 hard hit balls,….a 12 to One ratio of batters to hard hit balls. But we have the videos of those 5 at bats that gave up the hard hit balls. And we see in everyone of them there was something incorrect about what we have since realized was his CORRECT delivery but did not know it at the time. Looking back, we see when his delivery was right and he was throwing his stuff he knew worked, the videos show he never gave up a hard hit ball in two years time. So if he had known then what to correct like he knows now and has already done that, we really don’t believe he would have given up all 5 of those he did give up.. He might really have been 15 or 20 to One or even better. And that was with just one delivery. He really developed two. The other went 5 no hit innings on two outings in all star competition and he never pitched that way again. We didn’t know such as that made a difference at the time to have gotten him to still use it. Anyway if he got his pitches, his deliveries down to not make those mistakes, and got to where he could mix the deliveries together against a hitter in the same at bat, I don’t think we have any idea how good he might be. He might be 12 to One at the highschool level if he were playing now. By comparison, I have monitored Waynewright and Martinez for the Cardinals. They are pitching every third day or so and making millions a year and they rarely get as high as 4 to One in any game I have monitored or any other big league pitcher.
He was not as fast as a lot of boys even in little league....but he got people out at a far better rate. So he has a lot of room for his stats to drop and still have a chance.
Don't forget Stu Miller had a fast ball in the 80's and he pitched in all star games!
It doesn' t matter how fast you throw .... It matters whether you can fool the hitters.. And that's really all it does matter, Kingsman
It matters which people he gets out and what kind of hitter he is able to fool.
The average Little League team produces one or two varsity high school players. Carving up kids who won't play in high school has no predictive value for what would happen if he ever faced college hitters.
I'm going to close this thread because a conversation that compares a pitcher who never played on a 90-foot diamond to a major leaguer from a half century ago is just too silly to be allowed to go on.
If your grandson wants to play baseball in college, he needs to start playing baseball now. Help him find a team. Let us know how it goes.
Best wishes,
