CCHS07,
I commend you for taking the steps to apologize; that would not have been easy for me when I was 19 or 20.
Keep working hard.
Someone once told me "It is better to keep quiet and let people think you don't know, than to speak up and prove it." What I have learned that to mean for me, is how important it is to be a good listener and absorb everything that can help you.
I also commend you for apologizing.
You seem to have excuses why you are going to play for a small school, and justify why you will be the ace. It doesn't matter where one plays as long as they continue beyond the HS level. Go out and have a great season and prove to be the ace by your performance, not talk.
Good luck.
You seem to have excuses why you are going to play for a small school, and justify why you will be the ace. It doesn't matter where one plays as long as they continue beyond the HS level. Go out and have a great season and prove to be the ace by your performance, not talk.
Good luck.
we are not going to play d1 schools at lincoln so i think i will be fine. I think we play half d3 and naia schools and half bible colleges. Small college hitters are good but as long as you spot it and change it up they wont hit it.
CCHS07 ,
If your just playing for fun then do it. There is no need to prepare or 'save your arm' as you say.Throw as much or as little as you want .Then start your season, pitch and then go home and do it all over again next season. I will give you a little advice though.It seems to me you havent been humbled by this game yet and that may explain why your content in playing at a extremely low level. No challenge no risk, no critisism,but thats the good stuff, maybe you will change your mind. The replies you have recieved are from people who sincerely want to help, but I do see why trhit responded like he did calling yourself ace may to you mean nothing but to these salty baseball lovers it shows arrogance and disrespect .Sports build character and the greater the challenge the more discipline, structure and respect you will gain. Now go have fun.
If your just playing for fun then do it. There is no need to prepare or 'save your arm' as you say.Throw as much or as little as you want .Then start your season, pitch and then go home and do it all over again next season. I will give you a little advice though.It seems to me you havent been humbled by this game yet and that may explain why your content in playing at a extremely low level. No challenge no risk, no critisism,but thats the good stuff, maybe you will change your mind. The replies you have recieved are from people who sincerely want to help, but I do see why trhit responded like he did calling yourself ace may to you mean nothing but to these salty baseball lovers it shows arrogance and disrespect .Sports build character and the greater the challenge the more discipline, structure and respect you will gain. Now go have fun.
quote:Originally posted by cchs07:
we are not going to play d1 schools at lincoln so i think i will be fine. I think we play half d3 and naia schools and half bible colleges. Small college hitters are good but as long as you spot it and change it up they wont hit it.
What would be the basis for those comments and conclusions?
As our son's former teammate/roommate once said, some DIII programs are loaded with DI quality hitters, who just happen to be in a DIII type body. That teammate was not only a DIII All American, he also pitched in the Cape league with pretty good results.
Good DIII hitters will see you once and make adjustments. Spotting 78 mph with a change up isn't enough even for a lefty against good DIII and NAIA hitters, after they have seen you once.
Unless you have proven experience and success against good "small" college hitters, which it does not seem you have from what you have posted, I think you are being naive in your statements and approach.
Well i am deceptive and i can throw 4 pitches for a strike sinker,Curve,Change,Cutter and have had success against good players so i am not worried. Only people who dont know baseball think it matters how hard you throw. Jamie moyer throws 81 in the majors and gets guys out how is that different than me throwing 75-80 at the D3 level? Everything i throw moves my fastball sinks, cutter cuts in, change up fades, 12-6 knucklecurve. Last summer throwing 75 i pitched against a lineup of 2 JC guys, 4 guys from nationally ranked NAIA schools( Cal Baptist and Azusa Pacific) two d2 guys( Cal Poly Pomona) and two guys who just graduated from D1( Texas Christian and Uni of Oklahoma) and went 7.1 IP 3 ER so what any of you say doesnt matter i am going to this school for my major not for baseball and i know i am good so it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks cuz honestly i dont give a flying hoot about what anyone thinks. There is an assistant coach from UCLA on my sunday team and he said i am good enough to pitch D3 ball and the coach for mexico in the world baseball classic says i am good enough to pitch d2 or d3. Sounds like some people here are jealous they couldn't get past little league.
My son was only hitting 79-82 as a D1 freshman. He is now up to 85. He had very good outtings in his freashman and soph years against top ranked D1 colleges. His longest outting was 6.2 scorless against a very good team. We were down 10-0 after 1st inning when he went in. The other team was hitting hot and he was strong right until he was running out of gas.
Don't let people tell you you can't pitch at D1 divison. As stated there are lots of very good hitters at all divisions.
Hopefully you will adjust your attitude a bit and realize that you are part of a team and everyone deserves your respect. It is good to be confident.
Don't let people tell you you can't pitch at D1 divison. As stated there are lots of very good hitters at all divisions.
Hopefully you will adjust your attitude a bit and realize that you are part of a team and everyone deserves your respect. It is good to be confident.
quote:Sounds like some people here are jealous they couldn't get past little league.
It is great to be confident. But, success in college baseball it isn't based on what you did yesterday. it is what you are going to do tomorrow.
During the next Spring, there isn't going to be a hitter in any line up that cares, or even knows, what you might have done last summer. Success in baseball comes from being consistent, being good, getting the job done, and doing it over an extended period of time.
Our son, also a DIII player, did enough through his career(yes he actually got beyond little league) to get 3 AB's against Randy Johnson during Spring Training in 2005. Each of them was a quality AB. That didn't prove he was good enough hit off Randy Johnson or any other MLB pitcher over the course of a 162 game season.
The experience gave him confidence.
The experience also gave him respect for the type of pitching he would face in professional baseball and how well he would need to perform/need to improve to have success.
As I read your posts, you have plenty of confidence.
Where I am having a bit of a problem is finding any type of respect.
Infielddad good post. 
cchs07, do not compare yourself with any MLB player that has been around almost as long in the game than you are years young. That's the experience that infielddad speak about.
I agree you have much confidance, but you do need to learn a bit, despite your past accomplishments.
My son also got past LL, a successful college pitcher (who learned a LOT about the game and himself there), 4 good pitches for strikes, sinking FB with movement at 96, now a professional, has a long way to go to prove he can get hitters out at the next level.
Everything that he did yesterday got him to where he is today, but he does have the same respect and humility about the game as infielddad's son. That's most likely why our son's got past LL, HS, played at school's known for their baseball programs and eventually chosen to play at the next level.
cchs07, do not compare yourself with any MLB player that has been around almost as long in the game than you are years young. That's the experience that infielddad speak about.
I agree you have much confidance, but you do need to learn a bit, despite your past accomplishments.
My son also got past LL, a successful college pitcher (who learned a LOT about the game and himself there), 4 good pitches for strikes, sinking FB with movement at 96, now a professional, has a long way to go to prove he can get hitters out at the next level.
Everything that he did yesterday got him to where he is today, but he does have the same respect and humility about the game as infielddad's son. That's most likely why our son's got past LL, HS, played at school's known for their baseball programs and eventually chosen to play at the next level.
I do not call it confidence ---I term it cockiness to the nth degree with no basis---
Sorry folks. Just when I thought this kid was starting to get it he's reverted back to being a punk.quote:Originally posted by cchs07:
Sounds like some people here are jealous they couldn't get past little league.
Punk, I'll bet the people who have taken the time to attempt to communicate with you in this thread either played ball at a higher level than you've played, or their kids have played at a higher level. You'll be playing at a D3 bottom feeder. There's a lot of room for playing at a higher level.
RJM, Great post about your old college coach! Boy is that true, every coach should make that statement. My son is a senior playing fall ball against JC teams, hasn't got a hit yet! My son may talk to me that way, but never to another adult.
He loves his dad.
He loves his dad.
quote:i know i am good so it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks cuz honestly i dont give a flying hoot about what anyone thinks.
Then why are you here?
I played NAIA ball and most teams have pretty good talent. I saw a lot of guys in NAIA ball throwing upper 80's like you will see at DI level. The difference between a NAIA guy throwing 88 and a DI guy throwing 88 is the consistency of throwing strikes but more importantly hitting their spots.
A DI pitcher will hit his spots more consistanty than the NAIA guy. Now it's all relative though and that is why you see very similar stats between the two levels.
The NAIA hitter isn't as good or disciplined at the DI hitter. Now the NAIA hitter is able to get outs on pitches that aren't quite that good.
So that being said - Can you play at that level? I have no idea and really I doubt you have any idea if you can or not. The talent level is pretty good once you get into college no matter the level you play at. Think of it like this - NAIA teams are the best players on a typically good high school team. DI players are the high school players who everyone stops and watch. They take your breath away.
Coach,
As a whole I would agree with what you have written. However, we have seen NAIA and small college pitchers and hitters who are better than most DI pitchers and hitters. That is why every once in awhile we see NAIA and small college players drafted ahead of most DI players.
I would say that most DI players were the ones who were considered the best or most well known coming out of high school.
I really think cchs07 is trying to convince himself because there is no way to convince any of us with nothing more than words. He doesn't care what any of us think because our thoughts might be based on jealousy. Yet, he started this thread by asking for advice. cchs07, that is confusing.
In the end, getting outs is all that counts.
But, there are many people in baseball who actually do care how hard a pitcher can throw. In fact, the reason you know how hard you throw is because of the radar gun. What is the major reason that every major college and MLB scout uses a radar gun. It's because the Jamie Moyer's are extremely rare.
Are you saying that college coaches and professional scouts are among those who don't know baseball?
Anyway, best of luck to you. Hope you figure it out and have a lot of fun.
As a whole I would agree with what you have written. However, we have seen NAIA and small college pitchers and hitters who are better than most DI pitchers and hitters. That is why every once in awhile we see NAIA and small college players drafted ahead of most DI players.
I would say that most DI players were the ones who were considered the best or most well known coming out of high school.
I really think cchs07 is trying to convince himself because there is no way to convince any of us with nothing more than words. He doesn't care what any of us think because our thoughts might be based on jealousy. Yet, he started this thread by asking for advice. cchs07, that is confusing.
quote:Only people who dont know baseball think it matters how hard you throw.
In the end, getting outs is all that counts.
But, there are many people in baseball who actually do care how hard a pitcher can throw. In fact, the reason you know how hard you throw is because of the radar gun. What is the major reason that every major college and MLB scout uses a radar gun. It's because the Jamie Moyer's are extremely rare.
Are you saying that college coaches and professional scouts are among those who don't know baseball?
Anyway, best of luck to you. Hope you figure it out and have a lot of fun.
Before you go too far down the road of "it is only D3 ball", you might want to read this thread:
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4686003481/...491068592#8491068592
College players are REALLY GOOD PERIOD. Regardless of level. They are far better than any high school team you have ever seen. They are older, bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced, better coached, and drawn from a pool of stars from their high school teams - all playing together as a team.
You can't assume that the players at this level are less talented. You will see players from all levels making it to the big leagues after college. Yes there is a much greater concentration of future pro players at the D1 level - but there are plenty of fine baseball players - including many that would be starters on D1 teams - who are playing at the "lower levels" of college baseball. There is more than baseball in picking a college - and some choose to go to "lesser" colleges in order to have a better fit.
As for your fellow pitchers at this level, it is not unusual for the top starters on the top NAIA and D3 teams to be in the 90s or high 80s. Yes there is far more to pitching than speed - but speed doesn't hurt and is the only thing that can be quantified across all forms of competition.
Most of all, the biggest difference I see between college and high school is the mutual respect show by the players for each other and for the game itself.
Baseball is a game of highs and lows - but at its core it is a very humbling game To quote David Wright:
* I'm very confident in what I do, but I’d like to think I don't ever show any kind of cockiness or overconfidence.
* I'm always looking to improve. And every year I want to do better than the year before.
* I'm very modest. I know that baseball is a very humbling game.
Hopefully this has given you something to think about as you head into your season. Best of luck to you.
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(cross posted with PGStaff )
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4686003481/...491068592#8491068592
College players are REALLY GOOD PERIOD. Regardless of level. They are far better than any high school team you have ever seen. They are older, bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced, better coached, and drawn from a pool of stars from their high school teams - all playing together as a team.
You can't assume that the players at this level are less talented. You will see players from all levels making it to the big leagues after college. Yes there is a much greater concentration of future pro players at the D1 level - but there are plenty of fine baseball players - including many that would be starters on D1 teams - who are playing at the "lower levels" of college baseball. There is more than baseball in picking a college - and some choose to go to "lesser" colleges in order to have a better fit.
As for your fellow pitchers at this level, it is not unusual for the top starters on the top NAIA and D3 teams to be in the 90s or high 80s. Yes there is far more to pitching than speed - but speed doesn't hurt and is the only thing that can be quantified across all forms of competition.
Most of all, the biggest difference I see between college and high school is the mutual respect show by the players for each other and for the game itself.
Baseball is a game of highs and lows - but at its core it is a very humbling game To quote David Wright:
* I'm very confident in what I do, but I’d like to think I don't ever show any kind of cockiness or overconfidence.
* I'm always looking to improve. And every year I want to do better than the year before.
* I'm very modest. I know that baseball is a very humbling game.
Hopefully this has given you something to think about as you head into your season. Best of luck to you.
08
(cross posted with PGStaff
)
I don't call them levels, I call them divisions.
I think it is hard for people to change their mindsets.
As far as velo is concerned, high velocity is also a mindset but it opens more doors to succeed or fail.
I think it is hard for people to change their mindsets.
As far as velo is concerned, high velocity is also a mindset but it opens more doors to succeed or fail.
CCHS07, keep in mind many good players are playing in the JUCO's etc because they did not have the grades to get into D1.
Just ask Pop Up's son.
Just ask Pop Up's son.
quote:As a whole I would agree with what you have written. However, we have seen NAIA and small college pitchers and hitters who are better than most DI pitchers and hitters. That is why every once in awhile we see NAIA and small college players drafted ahead of most DI players.
I would say that most DI players were the ones who were considered the best or most well known coming out of high school.
PG totally agree with this. I guess what I am trying to say is that on average the DI player is more consistent than the NAIA player.
I played against a guy who got drafted fairly high and he was really really good. But also saw some guys who were really good who never got a sniff. There might have been some personality issues that I didn't know about or I saw them on a good day.
PG (and all) do you see more more pitchers or position players make it out of NAIA over DI players?
This is so funny, is cchs07 still reading this or are we all keeping ourselves entertained? 
I am by no means a superstar stud pitcher. I can guarantee you there will be times when i get rocked but for the majority of the time I hit my spots and pitch well. I know there are good hitters at every level but they are not professional hitters. I went to an NAIA game this spring. I sat behind the radar gun this one guy was throwing 85-90 and got lit up for about 6 runs in 5 innings then they brought in a guy who was cruisin at 76 and he went 3 innings 1 run. Its all about location! This was a nationally ranked NAIA team or at least they use to be. Speed helps but if you throw 90 down the middle or 90 with no breaking ball they will hit it. Its better to throw 80 with movement and good offspeed then 90 straight with below average offspeed. I am starting long tossing more and doing core so i should be throwing low 80's by season in march. i cruise at about 75-78 and top out at 81 basically just lifting and throwing long toss and a pen with my pitching coach once a week and pitching on sundays.
cchs07, it is not all about location. The best pitchers at the highest levels throw with velocity AND location. But they are at the highest levels because of VELOCITY, plain and simple. If you do not have velocity, and by your admission you don't, why not find ways to work on this problem? There are things you can do.. long-toss, mechanical training, etc.
If you don't admit velocity is a problem for you then you can rest assured your playing days are numbered. You can kid yourself and believe you'll be the next Jamie Moyer, but don't forget.. Jamie Moyer threw pretty hard out of high school.
If you don't admit velocity is a problem for you then you can rest assured your playing days are numbered. You can kid yourself and believe you'll be the next Jamie Moyer, but don't forget.. Jamie Moyer threw pretty hard out of high school.
i know i will not play past college unless i grow and add 10 mph. i know against the best in the world you need velocity but i am not pitching against pro hitters. If i can hit my spots throwing 78-82 with movement from the left side i will have success at the small college level. i have started long toss and core work and am working on getting my mechanics straightened out. i know college guys are good but i didnt know it was a crime to have confidence i never compared myself to pros or anything like that. You guys talk about how good smaller college guys are then i get ripped for playing at a small college. I pitched NAIA fall ball last year before leaving at semester, when i left the ball over the plate it got crushed when i hit my spots i got em out 90% of the time they just never missed a mistake and hit it far.
cchs07
With your velocity you have no margin for error
I would also tone down the "attitude"---you have proved nothing about yourself as yet and until sduch time as you do I would be a bit more HUMBLE
With your velocity you have no margin for error
I would also tone down the "attitude"---you have proved nothing about yourself as yet and until sduch time as you do I would be a bit more HUMBLE
I don't think posters are on your case because of the small college. I believe it is because of your remaks pre and post the appology. You showed lack of respect which is a big part of BB.
As far as velo is concerned I know that 90+ gets you past college even with mediocre stats. Very few but some soft tossers do get to the pros but your stats have to be superior.
Yes soft tossers can be very successful against even pros. Hitters are like fish . they see that flashy lure and they chomp at it. A guy who can locate but more importantly a guy who has a couple of out pitches can pitch against pro hitters.
I have used the example of Jeff Francis of the Roclies who threw 80 at U of British Columbia and couldn't buy a scholarship to a US college. He developed a 90+ FB and I would say he is more of an example of what you could do with hard work.
I can assure you he is a polite and respectful young man aswell.
As far as velo is concerned I know that 90+ gets you past college even with mediocre stats. Very few but some soft tossers do get to the pros but your stats have to be superior.
Yes soft tossers can be very successful against even pros. Hitters are like fish . they see that flashy lure and they chomp at it. A guy who can locate but more importantly a guy who has a couple of out pitches can pitch against pro hitters.
I have used the example of Jeff Francis of the Roclies who threw 80 at U of British Columbia and couldn't buy a scholarship to a US college. He developed a 90+ FB and I would say he is more of an example of what you could do with hard work.
I can assure you he is a polite and respectful young man aswell.
Alright whatever i had my fun you guys take everything way too seriously...do you ever think i was just trying to get a reaction out of you guys? As for the polite young man i could care less what you guys think. There has never been one teacher, coach, or administrator who has one negative thing to say about me. I am young and maybe a little immature at times but we all have our issues so you guys shouldn't be too quick to judge me. I am going to play college ball get my degree and be set up for the rest of my life so i am not too concerned about people not liking me on a message board its the least of my worries. I am also probably not going to illinois i have an offer to pitch at a D3 in california which i will probably do to stay closer to home and probably wont be the ace pitcher if i dont earn it.
So much for the apologies !!!!
cchs07 - if you are only on here to get a reaction out of people then please don't post. We all hang around here because we enjoy talking about baseball in a friendly manner. Is that so hard to understand?
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