Pitching limits for me

How many innings or pitches did you throw this year?

This should enter into your equation on how much to throw in the fall. If you had limited innings then the risk is low. If you pitched a lot I would limit the number of innings you throw. Certainly 100 pitches in a game is a lot if you are not active every day throwing.

I would take your post and go to Jaegersports.com and email Jim Vatcher with the same question with some background on the number of pitches etc and I am sure he will help you out.

BTW this should be moved over to the pitching thread.

Good luck.

i pitched 40 innings in spring and 20 in summer

What is your goal? You are going to be the starter for a small college. Is your goal to eventually transfer to a D1? How hard do you throw? You can sit on the sidelines and worry about "protecting your arm" but for what? Time is running out here, in my opinion. You need to prepare your arm for more innings and this is done by throwing more, not less. Like BOF said, check out Jaeger. If you have clean mechanics, throw regularly, are in shape, do bands, core, and long-toss, and are pain-free and used to going deep into games you should not worry. On the other hand if you fail the test in any one of these aspects you should be concerned.

Fix it. Get to work, because time is definitely running out. Throw more often, do all the things I mentioned, and work your butt off. Learn to throw hard. Go for it. Why sit on the sidelines worrying about saving your arm for retirement?

60 innnings is not so bad as long as the pitch count was reasonable. Typically 100 innings for HS level pitchers is considered top end where they should end up at the end of a season. (regular/summer)

Follow BUM's advice talk to the Jaeger folks and let your body and arm leed you. I would make the 100 pitch your absolute max and have an objective of 75 pitches. This will give you to the work you need without over doing it.

Keep us informed on how it all works out.

Good Luck.

i dont plan on transfering d1 just playing competetively for fun. I am a lefty who throws 75-78 consistently i can hit 81 every now and then.

How can you be the "ace pitcher" as you term it using the method you are using and why so few innings over the past year?

Something just isnt right here

i went to iowa to play ball last fall but left at semester and have been playing in a sunday league and working with pro coaches on my pitching. We play 10 games a season so i did spring and summer and missed summer games due to vacation. I had 3 offers out of high school and 2 this past year and have been pitching against ex college players in spring and current college players from good NAIA schools in summer and did well so whatever i am doing must work. I dont know what your problem is TRhit you seem pretty arrogant with nothing to back it up with. All i asked was if i should throw alot of pitchers or save my arm.

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Originally posted by cchs07:
.....have been playing in a sunday league and working with pro coaches on my pitching.

Ask the pro coaches--they should have a good idea of what it will take for you to be most effective next spring. You should also find out how much opportunity exists at Lincoln Christian to stay in pitching shape before the season starts. Illinois is way too cold for outdoor baseball activities during Jan/Feb, and perhaps March. So you may have some forced downtime this winter. If so, perhaps it would be a good idea to work up to a few 100 pitch games in November/December

they have an indoor facility. i am gunna start throwing and running everyday then throw 6 or 7 innings in november. We will play mostly 2 seven inning games at lincoln so i only need to throw 7 innings.

cchs07

Not arrogant at all---nor is there any sugarcoating or political correctness involved--I just question how a young man can head to college saying I am going to be the ace pitcher based on pitching on Sunday ball and having thorwn less than 100 innings in the past year

Sometimes people don't like to hear the truth---I don't deal in fantasyland son--ask my players and their parents--

EXAMPLE---two of our players had been invited to a college camp and they thought they were invited because they were being recruited--I found out they were not being recruited--shall I not tell them and they attend the camp with incorrect thinking---NO WAY--I told them the circumstances and they decided not attend the camp despite the fact it was a college they both had extreme interest in--disappointed yes--ready to switch gears in another direction yes

Had another player who had a "dream school" in his sights except the "dream school" did not have the same feeling for the player--- should the player keep chasing a ghost when I can tell him the facts and have him look elsewhere for his college baseball and college degree.

You make the choice and no I do not think you have been doing enough to even make the team--I do not think you are working hard enuff especially if you are the question here at your age--Sorry if the truth hurts but that is the way it is

I would say it depends on you. Can you go 100 pitches and not be fatigued to the point of your mechanics suffering? If so, then going 100 pitches once a week shouldn't be bad. I think the issue is much more one of fatigue than # of pitches. The other issue is rest and it sounds like you are getting plenty of that.

Just monitor yourself. You can't always depend on the coach to do it. If you find yourself getting tired and struggling, let the coach know and take yourself out. If you can make it to 100 and are still cruising, and you are not going to pitch for 3-4 full days afterwards, then you should be fine.

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Originally posted by cchs07:
I dont know what your problem is TRhit you seem pretty arrogant with nothing to back it up with.

Ive tried my best to let this pass as just arrogant ramblings...but you just dont get it...

You dont realize how many people are on this site and "who" they actually are AND how valuable their help can be....(or could have been)....


Go to this website....

http://www.collegeselect.org/news.htm

and when you realize that TRHIT is Tom Rizzi who has helped thousands of players on to college and pro baseball...you might want to rethink that "nothing to back it up with comment...."

I'll second that Piaa.
I don't always agree with TR on some things but on others he is the guy.

Rizzi is Italian for he know his BB stuff.

Thanx guys

I really like the new definition of my name


Once again thanx

i could care less how many guys he has sent to college. Unless you are a better player than me you cant talk smack. Same reason i cant talk smack on barry bonds...i cant do what he does. Whatever i am over it.

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Originally posted by cchs07:
i could care less how many guys he has sent to college. Unless you are a better player than me you cant talk smack. Same reason i cant talk smack on barry bonds...i cant do what he does. Whatever i am over it.

I almost did!

Have fun, TR. I thought your inquiry was mild.

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Originally posted by cchs07:
heres the deal. I am a 20 year old soon to be sophomore in college. I am going to attend lincoln christian college in january to be the ace pitcher. I am playing in a sunday league soon in so cal and my question is do i save my arm and throw just 2 or 3 innings every sunday or do i try to go as long as i can to be prepared to be a starter? If i throw long toss 3-4 times a week, lift, and do rotator cuff is 100 pitches every sunday going to hurt my arm?

Do you know how hard you have to work to throw 100 pitches a game? Do you know the conditioning that needs to go into preparation for that result? Have you ever thrown 100 pitches before in a game?

I am not sure how you can call yourself the ace when you haven't shown up and thrown one pitch yet, even if someone told you that you that.

Not sure what you are "saving" your arm for either.

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Originally posted by cchs07:
i could care less how many guys he has sent to college. Unless you are a better player than me you cant talk smack. Same reason i cant talk smack on barry bonds...i cant do what he does. Whatever i am over it.

I see a few problems here:

1) You lack the proper respect to be truly successfull in this game or in life.

2) You came on here looking for help; when TRHIT asked some obvious questions you lashed back in an immature manner. (This could explain you not sticking w team in Iowa)

3) If a coach in College is not a good as you, are you not going to listen to them?

Listen kid; you are not exactly a Horse throwing consistantly 77. Lucky you're a Lefty of your playing days would likely be over.

Lose the attitude "ACE" you will get further in this world. It doesn't look as though you have played anything more than Adult rec ball over the past year +, so lighten up.

fsmjunior,
My thoughts exactly!

As you all know I don't always agree with TR, however, that response came out of left field and was inappropriate.

I doubt that many young players understand what being the "ace" of a team is all about.

I never thought I would say this but I do agree with TPM

This kid has no comprehension regarding what it is all about

I am the ace of my staff.....or they don't get their allowance.

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Originally posted by fsmjunior:

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Originally posted by cchs07:
i could care less how many guys he has sent to college. Unless you are a better player than me you cant talk smack. Same reason i cant talk smack on barry bonds...i cant do what he does. Whatever i am over it.

I see a few problems here:

1) You lack the proper respect to be truly successfull in this game or in life.

2) You came on here looking for help; when TRHIT asked some obvious questions you lashed back in an immature manner. (This could explain you not sticking w team in Iowa)

3) If a coach in College is not a good as you, are you not going to listen to them?

Listen kid; you are not exactly a Horse throwing consistantly 77. Lucky you're a Lefty of your playing days would likely be over.

Lose the attitude "ACE" you will get further in this world. It doesn't look as though you have played anything more than Adult rec ball over the past year +, so lighten up.

Could not agree more!!!!

Ace - a little respect goes a long way in this world. When you don't know who you are talking to, the default needs to be even more respect.

You know what, I am not going to be popular with this comment but I think both TRhit and cchs07 are in the wrong here.

This young man came here for advice not to be judged, not caring what his background is and what his next step is going to be, many were offering productive advice until TRhit brought up the "ace pitcher" comment. I actually thought TRhit’s comment was out of line then no matter how good or bad the pitcher maybe, but cchs07’s reaction was also out of line no matter who made the comment, one who has helped thousands of youths or only a few, but I can understand a negative reaction to the negative comment.

After playing around and doing a little research, it could very well turn out that cchs07 could be the ace pitcher of the staff, which last year it looks like had its top pitcher with over a 7 ERA Stats and only won 5 games last season and could very much use a pitcher who can pull innings and throw strikes. So asking advice to get prepared for his possible "ace pitcher" position could well be the correct move, hopefully he can control his emotions on the mound more than he can on the message boards. It is not like cchs07 is looking to be the ace pitcher of top programs in the country, but one who has found a program and continue his dream of playing at a college who can use his skills.

Hopefully we can continue offer constructive advice for those who come to HSBBW. My two cents.

Good points, but actually and this is unusual, but I didn't see where the comment made by TR would spark such a rebuttal. If you go back to look at previous posts, he once gave the same reaction to pia_ump about something he stated, even though he apologized. I always try to do that when I post something to get an idea of where the person is coming from.
The smart thing to do was to have just ignored the question if he didn't like it.
Something I don't get, why would someone who states that they coached in college (so he claims), LL and familiar with the pitching gurus, works with pro coaches, come here and ask that question?
And why so much negative stuff about other programs?
Seems to be lots of arrogance, I have never heard one player or parent here refer themselves or their player to being the ace, even if they are/were. JMO.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
How can you be the "ace pitcher" as you term it using the method you are using and why so few innings over the past year?

Something just isnt right here

TRHit's comment and inquiry were not out of line. Those were my thoughts exactly. Did he sugar coat it? No, he did not. He didn't attack either. The response could have been to explain and make more clear by cchs07. He got angry and lashed out. This is a WEB FORUM. It is hard to determine intent in TRHit's post. One might try to just take the question and query at face value. That is more prudent than trying to read something into it. Being sensitive to TR's remark is being overly sensitive, in my opinion.

That is kind of funny, I was talking to someone the other day and he mentioned that a friend of ours did well this summer in a strong league, which was great, and he said he was going to be number one at their college this spring, my first reaction was that was a bold statement that others who we know are the very top of their game and the unchallenged number one of their top school and they would never say that but would demonstrate it on the mound.

As for cchs07, thus my comment: "hopefully he can control his emotions on the mound more than he can on the message boards."

Other than him going to play in a small Christian League, he could really get a rude awakening when he gets on the mound and gets comments from the opponent’s dugout, stands, and possibly from his coaches and teammates.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Seems to be lots of arrogance, I have never heard one player or parent here refer themselves or their player to being an ace, even if they were. JMO.

Actually there are some similar remarks that have been posted on other threads who can't understand why colleges are not knocking down their doors to recruit their kids and their comments go along the line the college is missing out.....

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Originally posted by Homerun04:

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Originally posted by TPM:
Seems to be lots of arrogance, I have never heard one player or parent here refer themselves or their player to being an ace, even if they were. JMO.

Actually there are some similar remarks that have been posted on other threads who can't understand why colleges are not knocking down their doors to recruit their kids and their comments go along the line the college is missing out.....

yup and I commented on that too!
However, they didn't mention the school, which IMO was the right thing to do.
Hey, beleive it or not I am usually the last to defend TR , but I just don't get it, same as Big, there was nothing really stated THAT bad that deserved that response.
I'd slap my son silly if he spoke or wrote to an adult (someone older than he) that way, right or wrong. He knows better, just shut it down.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Hey, beleive it or not I am usually the last to defend TR , but I just don't get it, same as Big, there was nothing really stated THAT bad that deserved that response.
I'd slap my son silly if he spoke or wrote to an adult (someone older than he) that way, right or wrong. He knows better, just shut it down.

TR's comment was not "THAT" bad, but it also was "not" necessary to help to offer help for the youth that was asking for advice.

I also agree that cchs07 also needs to learn respect and that when you ask for advice you may not like what you are going to be told and you need to deal with it professionally, maybe he can learn from the advice given on preparing for his season and how to react to adverse comments for life.

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Originally posted by Homerun04:

TR's comment was not "THAT" bad, but it also was "not" necessary to help to offer help for the youth that was asking for advice.

Whatever. It's ok to agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by cchs07:
i could care less how many guys he has sent to college. Unless you are a better player than me you cant talk smack. Same reason i cant talk smack on barry bonds...i cant do what he does. Whatever i am over it.

Hey Punk. TR played college ball at a much higher level than you're playing. So did a lot of other posters on this site. And don't discount (or disrespect) the knowledge a lot of parents have acquired going through the experience with their sons.

To be honest I had reservations about comments of pitching 40 innings all season and expecting to be the ace at your new program. You're not the ace until you go out on the field and prove it for your new team.

homerun

Not necessary by whose standards ?---I will tell you this --if a kid shows up for my stating he is here to be the ACE he will have a short stay---we want thre kid who is the ACE without saying it and he has not shown he can even make the team much less be the "ACE"

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Originally posted by cchs07:
i dont plan on transfering d1 just playing competetively for fun. I am a lefty who throws 75-78 consistently i can hit 81 every now and then.

How can someone throw 75-78 be playing at any college as a pitcher? I doubt cchs07 is for real.
TR take it easy, this may just be a joke. He might be a HS sophomore looking for fun on this message board since he has "hs" in his alias.

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Originally posted by kbat2012:

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Originally posted by cchs07:
i dont plan on transfering d1 just playing competetively for fun. I am a lefty who throws 75-78 consistently i can hit 81 every now and then.

How can someone throw 75-78 be playing at any college as a pitcher? I doubt cchs07 is for real.
TR take it easy, this may just be a joke. He might be a HS sophomore looking for fun on this message board since he has "hs" in his alias.

I'll guess the 07 in cchs07 fits perfectly with graduating in 07 and being a college sophomore in the 09 academic year. He's just a kid without a clue.

Kbat


Therein lies the problem--everyone treats these kids with caresses and kisses and all the "atta boys " you can find---BS---darn it kick them in the butt where they deserve it-- "take it" easy !!!--that was easier than easy--ask my kids about "easy"--they do not know what that means

I sent a pm to TR apologizing and i want to say sorry for acting like a jerk cuz i did. I just got mad and didnt think things through which is my weakness sometimes. I'm sorry hopefully you guys and TR forgive me. I have my immature moments i will admit that but i am not a hot head like you may think. My peers, coaches, and teachers respect me alot. As far as baseball goes i am sure TR was better than me but just cuz i throw 75-78 doesnt mean anything. I have pitched against major NAIA and D2 Teams and done very good and was recruited out of high school by the Coast Guard Academy and two other schools not to mention i know the coach for Mexico's World Baseball Classic team and he thinks i am top level D2 prospect. Also for the comment of i dont know what an ace is, i was an ace in high school so that response doesnt work. I am going to this school for my major not baseball. It just so happened i could pitch alot then at a bigger school and get the major i want so i figured what do i have to lose. Once again i am sorry cuz i did act like a jerk.

cchs07,

I'm not here to judge anyone or comment on the past posts in this thread (although I do hope you learned a lesson). Props to you for PMing TR and coming here and owning up.

However, to comment on your last post specifically- "i was an ace in high school so that response doesnt work". Most pitchers in college (especially the higher levels) were aces in high school, and most hitters were 3-4 hitters in high school. The game will humble you quickly, so be careful walking the thin line where confidence can become cockiness.

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Originally posted by Emanski's Heroes:
Most pitchers in college (especially the higher levels) were aces in high school, and most hitters were 3-4 hitters in high school. The game will humble you quickly, so be careful walking the thin line where confidence can become cockiness.

Two lines my college coach used on incoming players every year ...

For hitters: You know that one guy you couldn't hit in high school? The one guy that owned you? He's here at this level. Every day. Every week. Every game. You better work be dedicated, committed and work hard.

For pitchers: You know that one guy you couldn't get out in high school? The one guy who owned you? He's here at this level. Every day. Every week. Every game. You better dedicated, committed and work hard.

Coach was right. I started 0-16 with 7 K's before making some adjustments.

To answer your original question, IMHO, with the workout schedule you listed if you do long toss 3-4 times a week, 2-3 innings once a week should be suffice to keep you sharp and healthy.