Is this not a site for opinions ??
It is a site for opinions. It isn't a site for attacks on a kid. Anyone who gets on here and says that their kid is having problems with their HS coach will get attacked at some point and the character of the player will almost invariably be called into question.
So what do you all think of a kid who has a 4.0 and aspirations to be an engineer who quits his HS team after his junior season over disagreements about the coach's throwing program and generally being over controlling? He didn't care about the HS team because he was certain he could get a scholarship without the team. A character issue? Someone who really doesn't want to play baseball? You've got about as much information on this one as you do from 00dad and the information is pretty much the same. Go ahead and tell me about this kid and what is going to happen to him.
So what do you all think of a kid who has a 4.0 and aspirations to be an engineer who quits his HS team after his junior season over disagreements about the coach's throwing program and generally being over controlling? He didn't care about the HS team because he was certain he could get a scholarship without the team. A character issue? Someone who really doesn't want to play baseball? You've got about as much information on this one as you do from 00dad and the information is pretty much the same. Go ahead and tell me about this kid and what is going to happen to him.
The father came on this website looking for input. The input that was given was based on our baseball background. That's it. I don't think anyone on this thread was saying the kid is going to be a failure in all aspects of life. He might be president some day for all we know. The advice that was given was based on what we have seen watching high school and college baseball over the years. It is up to the player and maybe his father to decide which direction they follow.
Been working late last 2 days.Read over all your comments this morning. Hid some post and let my
son read them too. Some were on the money a lot were
out of hand.
I'm sure after reading this that as long as you can get your son an a team that some of you would let them play for anyone maybe even this fine looking well groomed bunch.
http://i43.tinypic.com/rmld1i.jpg
Having read what a lot of you said I have come to the conclusion that a lot of you are so obsessed with your sons playing time that you would support any coach on any rule just so your child could play ball.
My son is an well rounded individual who will do well at whatever he likes. As for baseball we have team try outs in the fall and he went 5 scoreless innings against the varsity squad with only 2 hits
at age 15. It's not a matter of would he make the team it's all a matter of would he sell out his self to do it. I am not happy with his decision yet I respect him for the conviction to follow through with it. Some brought up how does the team feel about this one has a Mohawk and that does not seem to be a problem. Most just say that we need the pitching bad. He says he will continue to play ball and will play next year. He also said to post these 2 Quotes. The first by Galileo
"And who can doubt that it will lead to the worst disorders when minds created free by God are compelled to submit slavishly to an outside will? When we are told to deny our senses and subject them to the will of others?"
The second by H.L. Mencken
"And what is a good citizen? Simply one who never says, does or thinks anything that is unusual. Schools are maintained in order to bring this uniformity up to the highest possible point. A school is a hopper into which children are heaved while they are still young and tender; therein they are pressed into certain standard shapes and covered from head to heels with official rubber-stamps."
As for me I would not have a problem seeing him on this team.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...aseball/hair/gallery
son read them too. Some were on the money a lot were
out of hand.
I'm sure after reading this that as long as you can get your son an a team that some of you would let them play for anyone maybe even this fine looking well groomed bunch.
http://i43.tinypic.com/rmld1i.jpg
Having read what a lot of you said I have come to the conclusion that a lot of you are so obsessed with your sons playing time that you would support any coach on any rule just so your child could play ball.
My son is an well rounded individual who will do well at whatever he likes. As for baseball we have team try outs in the fall and he went 5 scoreless innings against the varsity squad with only 2 hits
at age 15. It's not a matter of would he make the team it's all a matter of would he sell out his self to do it. I am not happy with his decision yet I respect him for the conviction to follow through with it. Some brought up how does the team feel about this one has a Mohawk and that does not seem to be a problem. Most just say that we need the pitching bad. He says he will continue to play ball and will play next year. He also said to post these 2 Quotes. The first by Galileo
"And who can doubt that it will lead to the worst disorders when minds created free by God are compelled to submit slavishly to an outside will? When we are told to deny our senses and subject them to the will of others?"
The second by H.L. Mencken
"And what is a good citizen? Simply one who never says, does or thinks anything that is unusual. Schools are maintained in order to bring this uniformity up to the highest possible point. A school is a hopper into which children are heaved while they are still young and tender; therein they are pressed into certain standard shapes and covered from head to heels with official rubber-stamps."
As for me I would not have a problem seeing him on this team.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...aseball/hair/gallery
So Brickhouse please give me advice about the kid I've just written about. Let's call StagPlayer.
I'll probably get blasted but......
This isn't a new poster, sorry, no one comes on first time with a quote, they come on because they have an issue and need serious opinions. You can tell by the way posters pose their questions. Just look at the title, they knew this topic would trigger many replies. There was also some info from the OP that weren't necessary or seemed strange, even the name. I just don't beleive all of this new stuff popping up is from serious new websters.
I am a firm beleiver there are lots of people here that post use this site for their own kicks, in this case, they may have provided some for us.
Is there a possibility this post is for real? Is there a possibility it's a goof? I go for the latter, that's just how I see it.
Edit, the tinypic above just about says it all folks, I even posted this AFTER I saw the response. Regardless of what he thinks of us after replies, THAT is totally is unnecessary. For that alone, I will never think that 00'sdad is for real.
This isn't a new poster, sorry, no one comes on first time with a quote, they come on because they have an issue and need serious opinions. You can tell by the way posters pose their questions. Just look at the title, they knew this topic would trigger many replies. There was also some info from the OP that weren't necessary or seemed strange, even the name. I just don't beleive all of this new stuff popping up is from serious new websters.
I am a firm beleiver there are lots of people here that post use this site for their own kicks, in this case, they may have provided some for us.
Is there a possibility this post is for real? Is there a possibility it's a goof? I go for the latter, that's just how I see it.
Edit, the tinypic above just about says it all folks, I even posted this AFTER I saw the response. Regardless of what he thinks of us after replies, THAT is totally is unnecessary. For that alone, I will never think that 00'sdad is for real.
00'sdad, maybe you can start your own team and run it the way you want. In the mean time you aren't happy your son decided not to "sell out"? alrighty then.
Interesting how 00'sDad now finds us to be potential racists because we believe that a team sport is best played as a team with a coach.
"I'm sure after reading this that as long as you can get your son an a team that some of you would let them play for anyone maybe even this fine looking well groomed bunch.
http://i43.tinypic.com/rmld1i.jpg"
I don't know what to think of this father or his son, but it is apparent that the passion to play is not at the same level as many that post here. And being such, hanging up the cleats will likely occur sooner, rater than later, and 00'sDad will be looking out the window at a winterscape for quite some time awaiting a spring baseball season that no longer will include his son. But, there are always grandchildren to look forward to!
"I'm sure after reading this that as long as you can get your son an a team that some of you would let them play for anyone maybe even this fine looking well groomed bunch.
http://i43.tinypic.com/rmld1i.jpg"
I don't know what to think of this father or his son, but it is apparent that the passion to play is not at the same level as many that post here. And being such, hanging up the cleats will likely occur sooner, rater than later, and 00'sDad will be looking out the window at a winterscape for quite some time awaiting a spring baseball season that no longer will include his son. But, there are always grandchildren to look forward to!
Seeing how you set this up, I am willing to bet that the player that you mentioned went on to be very successful in baseball. As we all know, there are exceptions to every rule. There are also individuals who misuse authority.
In the case of the player that is being discussed in this thread, the only problem that we heard was the coach wanted the player to adhere tot an appearance code of conduct. For those new to high school or college baseball, this is not unusual. As I mentioned, my son normally has a beard. His college coach does not allow facial hair on the team. So, for the sake of respect to his coach and his teammates, he honors that request, as does everyone else. He also has a great relationship with his coach. He is not going to let one little inconvenience disrupt that relationship. So, in OO's Dads case, throw the coach a bone, get on the field, and play some baseball.
In the case of the player that is being discussed in this thread, the only problem that we heard was the coach wanted the player to adhere tot an appearance code of conduct. For those new to high school or college baseball, this is not unusual. As I mentioned, my son normally has a beard. His college coach does not allow facial hair on the team. So, for the sake of respect to his coach and his teammates, he honors that request, as does everyone else. He also has a great relationship with his coach. He is not going to let one little inconvenience disrupt that relationship. So, in OO's Dads case, throw the coach a bone, get on the field, and play some baseball.
I have been reading this post over the last few days, and the father bothered me right from the start. There definitely is an agenda on his part. He just does not act like a father, more like a "best friend." Baseball is a team game, not an individual sport. Coaches having rules for hair length, facial hair, and no earrings are all commonplace. No harm comes for any of this except that of individual expression. For many coaches individual expression has no place in a team game such as baseball.
quote:Originally posted by Brickhouse:
Seeing how you set this up...
This does appear to be following a script prepared in advance. Surely there is another shoe to be dropped.
I have no agenda other than input.
I am an avid follower of baseball who is 50 years old. I have suffered with the CUBS for most of my life
so I have learned that baseball does not always go as you plan. As for coaching I was a volunteer youth coach for 5 years paying for uniform,balls, bats and gloves from my own pocket till I just really could not do it any more due to my work load. I got mostly kids who were not ball players, whose parents were either looking for someone to teach their son baseball late in the game or were just looking for a dropoff for their kid.
We were usually not very good hovered near last in the league but they learned baseball fundementals
how to work hard and that there was always a chance to get better.
I will never forget the look on one boys face who hit a dead pull home run down the left field line it was the first year he ever played ball just a lucky hit we lost 6 to 1 but he will remember that forever.
I understand baseball completely I know that if you truly are gifted they will find you if you work at it. I will update this occasionally as my son progresses or doesn't through ball but for now I have nothing else to say.
I am an avid follower of baseball who is 50 years old. I have suffered with the CUBS for most of my life
so I have learned that baseball does not always go as you plan. As for coaching I was a volunteer youth coach for 5 years paying for uniform,balls, bats and gloves from my own pocket till I just really could not do it any more due to my work load. I got mostly kids who were not ball players, whose parents were either looking for someone to teach their son baseball late in the game or were just looking for a dropoff for their kid.
We were usually not very good hovered near last in the league but they learned baseball fundementals
how to work hard and that there was always a chance to get better.
I will never forget the look on one boys face who hit a dead pull home run down the left field line it was the first year he ever played ball just a lucky hit we lost 6 to 1 but he will remember that forever.
I understand baseball completely I know that if you truly are gifted they will find you if you work at it. I will update this occasionally as my son progresses or doesn't through ball but for now I have nothing else to say.
Dad, here's something I learned from my Dad: If you aren't ready for the answer, don't ask the question.
Whatever happened to doing what the coach wants? One rule we had for our boys was very simple. THE COACH IS ALWAYS RIGHT!
We all know that coaches are not always right. However, it makes life easier if that is the attitude of the player.
I'm sure some might come up with some "what ifs". Truth is... What most coaches ask for are reasonable. When they become unreasonable there is a problem.
So once again... What is unreasonable?... A haircut? Might be for some and that is OK. No one has to play baseball, there's nothing wrong with doing something other than playing baseball. However, IMO there is something wrong with lacking respect for a coaches reasonable decision regarding the team he is paid to coach and drawing attention to it.
Maybe I was wrong earlier when I said this really isn't about hair. But I don't think so! However I do think it looks like a standoff! A standoff between a young player who seems to have some talent but has yet to play varsity and his varsity coach. Maybe it's just me, but this just doesn't sound like the best way to get started even if the coach ends up caving in.
It does sound like something I would have done when I was that age.
Back when I coached we would tell our players right from the get go. It doesn't matter a bit if you like me... what does matter is if I like you! And I like everybody until they give me a reason not to.
We all know that coaches are not always right. However, it makes life easier if that is the attitude of the player.
I'm sure some might come up with some "what ifs". Truth is... What most coaches ask for are reasonable. When they become unreasonable there is a problem.
So once again... What is unreasonable?... A haircut? Might be for some and that is OK. No one has to play baseball, there's nothing wrong with doing something other than playing baseball. However, IMO there is something wrong with lacking respect for a coaches reasonable decision regarding the team he is paid to coach and drawing attention to it.
Maybe I was wrong earlier when I said this really isn't about hair. But I don't think so! However I do think it looks like a standoff! A standoff between a young player who seems to have some talent but has yet to play varsity and his varsity coach. Maybe it's just me, but this just doesn't sound like the best way to get started even if the coach ends up caving in.
It does sound like something I would have done when I was that age.
Back when I coached we would tell our players right from the get go. It doesn't matter a bit if you like me... what does matter is if I like you! And I like everybody until they give me a reason not to.
How about people who when faced with a nearly identical situation are afraid to answer because the result may not fit their preconceptions?
Let's hear it people, good student, good player, according to the player at least, quit his HS team rather than do it the coach's way. I personally thought he was a bit immature in the way he handled the coach. Let's see you stand by your convictions.
Let's hear it people, good student, good player, according to the player at least, quit his HS team rather than do it the coach's way. I personally thought he was a bit immature in the way he handled the coach. Let's see you stand by your convictions.
I am still trying to figure out why this thread was started in the first place. 
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
How about people who when faced with a nearly identical situation are afraid to answer because the result may not fit their preconceptions?
Let's hear it people, good student, good player, according to the player at least, quit his HS team rather than do it the coach's way. I personally thought he was a bit immature in the way he handled the coach. Let's see you stand by your convictions.
What the heck are you talking about?
BTW, big recurring theme here, has anyone noticed? My son has the ability (an he's a good student and well liked by all) for lots of topics lately. Should we all be in agreement with parents because the players have ability and good students? Lots of players have ability and are good students, well liked, great stats before HS, etc. doesn't give you that free pass you are looking for. Does life treat us unfairly at times, you bet, no better way to learn that by playing baseball.
It seems to all come down to coaches and they are no good because they cannot see the ability my son has.
Would my son cut his hair if he couldn't play, you bet he would and it's not because he needs more playing time.
I don't like my boss, yet because he is my boss I show him the respect by abiding by his rules, because I want to work. You want to play, you follow the coaches rules whether you like him or not. That's the way I see it, that's what I taught my kids, I stand by my convictions.
IMO dad, you don't really understand baseball at all. You don't understand people who love baseball either, what's with that pic of the team with KKK on their shirt?
Yes you have an agenda.
I've always told my kids....
DON'T BRING ME PROBLEMS, BRING ME SOLUTIONS.
If hair is a "stopper" for this kid maybe HIS solution is the best for all concerned. As a coach you don't need the headaches, as a parent you don't need the conflict, and if the player believes that walking to the beat of a different drummer is his modus operandi, so be it. It is his choice isn't it?
It's become kind of obvious that Dad is either looking for posters who support his thoughts, or he is trying to share his "conflict" and stir the masses. Either way we beat this horse dead and in the end its the kids decision, he has to live with it, and what is most important, it looks like the coach can do without him. That in itself tells me this is the coaches team and while some may look at him as a tyrant, I see him as a coach who is there to teach players the game and more importantly that life is about teamwork and the ability to adapt for the good of the journey.
DON'T BRING ME PROBLEMS, BRING ME SOLUTIONS.
If hair is a "stopper" for this kid maybe HIS solution is the best for all concerned. As a coach you don't need the headaches, as a parent you don't need the conflict, and if the player believes that walking to the beat of a different drummer is his modus operandi, so be it. It is his choice isn't it?
It's become kind of obvious that Dad is either looking for posters who support his thoughts, or he is trying to share his "conflict" and stir the masses. Either way we beat this horse dead and in the end its the kids decision, he has to live with it, and what is most important, it looks like the coach can do without him. That in itself tells me this is the coaches team and while some may look at him as a tyrant, I see him as a coach who is there to teach players the game and more importantly that life is about teamwork and the ability to adapt for the good of the journey.
Still waiting. What is likely to happen to the kid I've described?
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Did anyone read of Jerry Seinfeld "Poison P"
We set a hair and dress code [no caps on inside a home or building, no uniform shirt hanging over the belt] for our International teams and if the coach does not enforce this code, the coach is not invited to return.
We never have a problem with our pro scouts [coaches] enforcing the code. "It is a sign of respect for the team, the Rays,Cubs or Reds uniform and the game of baseball".
Happy Valentine Day
Bob
Did anyone read of Jerry Seinfeld "Poison P"
We set a hair and dress code [no caps on inside a home or building, no uniform shirt hanging over the belt] for our International teams and if the coach does not enforce this code, the coach is not invited to return.
We never have a problem with our pro scouts [coaches] enforcing the code. "It is a sign of respect for the team, the Rays,Cubs or Reds uniform and the game of baseball".
Happy Valentine Day
Bob