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Been trolling for the past few years and taking lots of advice. I could not find any threads about this topic:

We picked up a guy this past fall for our 15U summer team. The kid was a natural behind the dish and very receptive during the entire off-season to instruction, both on field and off. He studied the game every chance he had. He was nervous before the start of school ball and considered not even trying out. We assured him he would be fine. He made the JV squad and got called up to V. after his first game. He made 1st team all league and honorable mention all area. He batted well over .400 and was clocked numerous times with sub 1.9 pops. The 14 other guys on the team were proud of him, even though they did not receive the same accolades.

Summer ball starts. Who is this new guy? The once receptive to learn player all of sudden knows everything to know about the game. He is even willing to share his knowledge with all the players on his team, opposing teams and umpires. He is disciplined on multiple occasions for chirping, throwing equipment and additional unsportsmanlike conduct. There were meetings with player and parents and nothing seemed to be working. His HS stats did not continue into the competitive summer program we run. Batting avg. is sub .200 and ops sub .500.

The last tournament of the summer was this past weekend. We like to rotate catchers for second game of a day. Team is up 3-1, however above mentioned player is 0-3. He begins to chirp our pitcher for missing signs, we meet at the mound and establish the right sequence (pitcher was correct). They get a guy on first(he chirped every pitch), he attempts snap throw which goes foul and out of play (almost impossible to do unless intentional). Next pitch, passed ball...runner on third (chirps ump for not getting out of his was)....next pitch, passed ball....runner comes in sliding into the plate because the ball only got to the edge of the grass....catcher missed throwing to the glove and hits baserunner in his back. He chirps pitcher for not being there to tag the runner. He claimed the throw at the baserunner was not intentional, but it sure looked it. Next pitch, fast ball up, catcher moves glove and the pitch hits the ump. We remove catcher from the game.

Dad is waiting for the coach after the game. Dad screams at coach because his son plays with passion and it's the teams fault. The coach walks away shaking his head.

How do you deal with these types of players?
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For what it's worth, here's my view ...

1. Have a chat with him immediately after first issue and pull him from the game after the second.
2. Passion and disrespect for the game and teammates are two very different things.
3. Have a rule to never talk to parents after a game. Emotions on both sides are too high, especially after loses. Tell parents (in writing before the season) that meetings can be had the next day. Do not deviate from this rule even once or it goes totally out the window.
4. Sit down with the player first (he's the one on the team not the parent) and explain the changes you are seeing. Ask the player if he knows why things have changed. Then just listen.
5. Explain how "time, place, and manner" apply to passion.
6. Tell the player to go home and talk things over with his parents. If they have any further questions, you will meet with the parents (with the player present also) another time.
7. Finish by saying that next time there will not be a warning. Disrespect towards the game or teammates will be immediate removal from the game.

Good luck!

Baseball By The Yard
he simply cannot be a part of your team next year.
he went way past "competitive" or "spirited" or whatever words you want to try to disguise the problem. he will make your team look like cr@p to everyone in your baseball community.

you don't need to counsel him or try to fix the problem, you just need to go forward without him.

good luck
trojan-skipper is right. He can not be a part of your program IF he pulled that glove back to attempt to injure the umpire. He has turned into a cancer on the team.

If you have documented all of these issues, you need to sit down with him and talk to him to findout what is going on. Allow him to defend himself. Still, he has proven that he is willing to throw the game because he is angry. You will never win an important game if he is allowed to be above the team in importance.
IMHO, you let his "skill" behind the dish blind you to who he really is. When the Dad blames the team, that's all you need to know. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. Sometimes we sell our sole to "win." The result is usually less than satisfactory.

With that said and the kid being 15, maybe some "hormonal" changes are occuring which has wacked the kid out. Certainly an early conversation with the kid was in order to find out. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to work. So your solution now is easy -- bye bye. Good luck.
Thanks guys - I appreciate the insight....golfman25's point of allowing the "skill" blind who he really is hit home. But more so then that, I saw the potential....he has all the tools. He's the right height, he has the speed, he has the arm etc etc....Regardless, he is off the team.

My question should have been phrased.....Do you ever tell a parent he is wrong? Do you really allow that much talent to just self-destruct? Do I really just walk away?
Ripacad - it's a tough spot because we all want to help kids, but my sense is you will not be the last coach to deal with his "BS", and you will likely not be the last to "just walk away".

Talent is a funny ingredient. Some guys have all the talent in the world and nothing to mix it with to make it complete. Some guys have just enough, and blend it with other ingredients to become complete. And others have all the other stuff, and just not enough talent. You love those guys and carry them on the team because they just never quit. Unfortunately, we try too hard with the first group, don't invest enough in the second group, and can't find enough to help the third group. Funny though, you always admire that third group the most for what they put into making you and them successful!
Ripacad, I really don't care about the parent. Have you sought to sit down with the player and let him know exactly what you are thinking? I had a young man who was a pitcher and could get it up there in a hurray. However, he was a partier and his teammates didn't like him. He was all about him. So, I took him off to the side and told him that despite his talent, he just wasn't good for my program. He told me he would change. He got drunk that Friday night. It was still the week of tryouts and so, I told him to hit the road. He was shocked because I didn't have any other pitcher with his talent. I don't know how many games we would have won with him. We won 25 without him. The next year, he wrote me a letter and came in to hand it to me. He told he had changed his life. I told him my idea about Zebras and that they never change their stripes. However, I also said that I'd give him another chance and so we shook hands and agreed that he'd get a tryout as if he had no negative history. 1st day of tryouts, he was late. 2nd day, he got into an argument with an assistant coach. That was it. He went on to become a major part of the drug culture in school.

I will tell you this, I had a similar pitcher who went about his business trying to draw attention to himself. I had a talk with this young man as well. He decided to become a good teammate and had an outstanding career both in high school and college. This young man who I am very proud of went on to become a Policeman.

Ripacad, only you truly know the young man and your situation. While we can all give advice, we can't walk in your shoes.
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The sixth tool rarely discussed.The mental aspect of a player.How is he as a teammate,how does he accept success, and failure,how does he treat officials,work ethic.How does he deal with discilpine when given to him.This guy would not survive long in college or beyond with these types of behaviors.Baseball is tough,a game of failure and you have to have a strong mental makeup to withstand the game and the good and bad that occurs and the failures and successes.Its easy to be good,the struggle comes for many when it gets tougher.Anyone who disturbs team chemistry and the flow of the team isnt a good aspect for the team.

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