Player Leaves Game Early

Skip them.

HS rules require each team to have 9 players to start the game, but they may finish with 8. If they go down to 8, the "hole" in the order is an automatic out whenever it comes up.

There is no provision in HS rules for a continuous batting order of more than 9 per team.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
High school rules, but continuous batting order of more than 9 per team.

It would appear that this sentence is an oxymoron.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
High school rules, but continuous batting order of more than 9 per team.

It would appear that this sentence is an oxymoron.

Not for fall ball, there almost anything goes. Since there is no real rules for this, I would agree with just drop the spots.

Did you just call me a moron?!?!

This is fall ball and it is pre-high school age players. So they grabbed the HS rule book but added the continuous batting order to keep everyone in the game.

So I've got one vote for "out" and two votes for "skip."

Any more hanging chads out there?

It's only an out if you're playing with 8 and it's supposed to be 9. There's no rule regarding a continuous lineup. Fall ball is designed to get more kids in the game, the umps don't want to take outs away from a team.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
High school rules, but continuous batting order of more than 9 per team.

It would appear that this sentence is an oxymoron.

Not for fall ball, there almost anything goes. Since there is no real rules for this, I would agree with just drop the spots.

My point is, if, as you say, anything goes, they are not playing by FED, but some kind of home made mix.

Again, if anything goes, I agree with dropping the spots.

Looks like it's "drop the spot" vs. "automatic out."

I agree with that in fall ball, things are more relaxed.

Fall is a great time of year to play baseball. at least in Northern Illinois.

Fall ball often puts umpires into a situations that in the real sense we should probably not be...

In this thread, we have a game played under NFHS rules...yet, as we all know and have done, Fall Ball is the "Dodge City" of HS baseball....everything goes....free substitution, continous batting order, etc.......

That makes it clearly NOT being played under NFHS rules...basically its a glorified scrimmage under NFHS guidelines...

In a glorified scrimmage.......I'd drop the spots..

Did you not know before the game that the players would have to leave early?

In most travel ball situations, this is discussed at home plate prior to the start of play. In my experience, most people agree that after they leave, their spots are just skipped over without an out being charged.

I have also seen late arrivals added to the bottom of the order, without an empty spot being held for them (with an out charged) until they got there.

We did know. And we agreed to skip them in the order. I just wanted to know what the actual rule, if any, was.

I think this is typically handled by gentlemen's agreement. If you play it by the rule book, an out would be charged when the vacated slot in the batting order came up.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
I just wanted to know what the actual rule, if any, was.

OBR, NCAA, and NFHS don't allow CBO. Little League does allow it, and has for some years. Their rule is simple: Everybody on the roster who is at the park bats. Players can arrive late and are simply added to the bottom of the order. Players who leave have their spot skipped without an out. Players who leave and return re-enter the lineup in their original spot.

USSSA added CBO in 2008. Frankly, the USSSA rules on CBO need work, but some states interpret them (without justification, in my opinion) to mean that a player who leaves the park while a team is using CBO generates an automatic out when his spot comes up. In Southern California, USSSA tournaments have allowed CBO for years, with an automatic out when a player leaves or is injured.

I don't know of any other rulesets which allow CBO, although I suspect there are some.

As Midlo Dad says, this is ordinarily handled by gentlemen's agreement.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
We did know. And we agreed to skip them in the order. I just wanted to know what the actual rule, if any, was.

Under FED, which you allege the game was played under, there is no such rule, hence my original suggestion that you were not playing under FED,

I understand. I guess I'll repeat that the FED book is the guideline and they added their own rules to make it "fit" better for younger kids.

For example, we have a 3-inning pitching limit. Obviously, that's not in FED either.

I appreciate all the responses.

Here's where it gets goofy: let's say the nine hole is the 'automatic out'... You get 2 outs with the 6 hole hitter up. You walk 6, 7, and 8 and bang there's an automatic out.
Like someone said, that would be the Dodge City of baseball.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
I understand. I guess I'll repeat that the FED book is the guideline and they added their own rules to make it "fit" better for younger kids.

For example, we have a 3-inning pitching limit. Obviously, that's not in FED either.

I appreciate all the responses.

I guess the post containing: "I just wanted to know what the actual rule, if any, was" confused me. Combined with the initial statement that FED rules were being used lead me to believe someone actually thought there was a rule involved.

My apologies.

No apologies necessary.

I appreciate all the help.