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This is a 12 year old who has decided to try baseball this year. Seems to have picked up on it pretty quick. I uploaded three videos from different angles when I pitched to him recently. He has had played 5 games and practiced maybe 7 or 8 times. So in all I would say he has batted not much. Just a little background so you know what your looking at. Anyways what do you see he needs to work on and what could he do to improve his swing? Thanks alot for the feedback. We have to keep it somewhat simple since he hasn't played before. Here are the links:

Hitting 1

Hitting 2

Hitting 3
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Originally posted by wwhs3b:
Like dropping the hands instead of taking them back your saying?


The fix is very simple, actually. Stick a tee about even with his chest. Tell him to hit a line drive.

As an aside, the hands are not loaded with the arms. No "push back" or "walking away" from the hands. The hands are loaded by the top hand pulling back to pinch the scapula.
he spins because he doesnt load his bottom side correctly,he then drops his hands and pulls pushes the knob to the ball.Get him in an athletic position.Have him keep the weight on the inner side of his back foot.he should then learn to coil into that BASE while trying no to give it up.A que that MIGHT get him coiling correctly is show your front pocket to the pitcher.the key move is having the front knee moving back toward the catcher while striding forward.If he is doing it correctly his right kneee will want to coil back toward the catcher or EXTERNALLY rotate the right knee.GOOGLE sevin the move on you tube OR buy the ted williams book.

secondly his top can be fixed rather easily ,,get the bat VERTICAL with his hands even or slightly below shoulder level with the rear elbow more UP than what he is doing now.when you throw the ball to him have him tip the barrel with his hands between you and where the second baseman plays..it doesnt have to be a radical tip just a hand c*ck move,,his hands will then turn into the ball automatically and he will devolpo timimg and seperation and hand giddyup. he wont be able to drag push pull muscle the barrel..he will automatically devolop a better path to the ball.
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
when you throw the ball to him have him tip the barrel with his hands between you and where the second baseman plays..it doesnt have to be a radical tip just a hand c*ck move,,his hands will then turn into the ball automatically and he will devolpo timimg and seperation and hand giddyup. he wont be able to drag push pull muscle the barrel..he will automatically devolop a better path to the ball.


I understand everything you said except the part above. Are you able to explain that a little more clearly? If not, that is ok. Thanks.
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Originally posted by wwhs3b:
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
when you throw the ball to him have him tip the barrel with his hands between you and where the second baseman plays..it doesnt have to be a radical tip just a hand c*ck move,,his hands will then turn into the ball automatically and he will devolpo timimg and seperation and hand giddyup. he wont be able to drag push pull muscle the barrel..he will automatically devolop a better path to the ball.


If he tips the barrel of the bat toward the pitcher or between the pitcher and second base..it will promote seperation between the hips and hands OR it will allow him to keep his hands back while he strides coils forward.It almost makes it impossible for him to drag the bat or take the knob directly to the ball..it pretty much makes his hands go on auto pilot..if you give me your email I will send you something I believe will be helpful.
I understand everything you said except the part above. Are you able to explain that a little more clearly? If not, that is ok. Thanks.
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
he spins because he doesnt load his bottom side correctly,he then drops his hands and pulls pushes the knob to the ball.Get him in an athletic position.Have him keep the weight on the inner side of his back foot.he should then learn to coil into that BASE while trying no to give it up.A que that MIGHT get him coiling correctly is show your front pocket to the pitcher.the key move is having the front knee moving back toward the catcher while striding forward.If he is doing it correctly his right kneee will want to coil back toward the catcher or EXTERNALLY rotate the right knee.GOOGLE sevin the move on you tube OR buy the ted williams book.

secondly his top can be fixed rather easily ,,get the bat VERTICAL with his hands even or slightly below shoulder level with the rear elbow more UP than what he is doing now.when you throw the ball to him have him tip the barrel with his hands between you and where the second baseman plays..it doesnt have to be a radical tip just a hand c*ck move,,his hands will then turn into the ball automatically and he will devolpo timimg and seperation and hand giddyup. he wont be able to drag push pull muscle the barrel..he will automatically devolop a better path to the ball.


This is quality material, with the exception of the ER of the right knee. You don't want to actively do that.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
he spins because he doesnt load his bottom side correctly,he then drops his hands and pulls pushes the knob to the ball.Get him in an athletic position.Have him keep the weight on the inner side of his back foot.he should then learn to coil into that BASE while trying no to give it up.A que that MIGHT get him coiling correctly is show your front pocket to the pitcher.the key move is having the front knee moving back toward the catcher while striding forward.If he is doing it correctly his right kneee will want to coil back toward the catcher or EXTERNALLY rotate the right knee.GOOGLE sevin the move on you tube OR buy the ted williams book.

secondly his top can be fixed rather easily ,,get the bat VERTICAL with his hands even or slightly below shoulder level with the rear elbow more UP than what he is doing now.when you throw the ball to him have him tip the barrel with his hands between you and where the second baseman plays..it doesnt have to be a radical tip just a hand c*ck move,,his hands will then turn into the ball automatically and he will devolpo timimg and seperation and hand giddyup. he wont be able to drag push pull muscle the barrel..he will automatically devolop a better path to the ball.


This is quality material, with the exception of the ER of the right knee. You don't want to actively do that.


I agree,,you dont actively do that as a move BUT if you are loading correctly the rear foot WANTS to externally rotate...its an effect not so much the cause



Here is a quote from Dmac that might (I doubt) clear things up;

"You fellows have kind of lost me. For me, the bat quickness helped by the hands (arms) comes from the running start. The running start comes from tipping the bat and then letting it rip with the hands without stopping to set the bat.........just going from the time the bat reaches it's farthest point in the tip. Here are some clips starting with Ruth and working the way up to the guys of today like Bonds, Guerrero, Soriano and the young teenager Robert Stock.

"When they tip it forward, they go from there.....they don't start, and then set their hands and then have to start again. Much like the running start I have yapped about with maddux for years

"What he is doing is getting more batspeed with less effort.......a running start. It does not need to be explained to a kid at all......just tell him to get his hands away from the body a little, point the bat at the sky, tip it towards the pitcher and then let it rip. If he asks why, you respond by telling him he will hit the ball a lot farther. When he does, there won't be any need to talk about pronation or whatever. If he can't do it, then there won't be any need to talk about pronation or whatever, because it won't matter.

"About 99% of all guys in the big leaguers were not taught the swing. They just found it along the way through emulation, feel or just blind luck. The clip of Williams is great, because he was 48 years old when it was shot and he is ripping the ball and laughing. He is also tipping the bat and then letting it rip. He is also the best hitter who ever walked and had dozens of instructors telling people that he was just a freak and that you should not copy him. They say the same thing about Bonds today, and the only guy who was smart enough to copy him was Robert Stocks dad, and it is paying off. He copies Bond's running start and the kid can hit balls a long way. Everyone else does not copy it because they think it is too hard to do. Mr Oh hit 868 dingers,was 5' 10, weighed 165 and nobody paid attention to his swing in the USA either.

"Last year in September, I saw the Mariners play a 6 game home series and every day I was there early to watch BP. Outside of Richie Sexon who is 6'9", Ichiro hits the ball farther than anyone on that club. He bangs ball after ball off the restaurant in right field which is about 410 ft away. In BP he tips the bat and lets it rip. He is 5'9" and about 160 lbs. In games he does not do it, because with his 3.6 speed, he was taught at a young age to take advantage of it.

"If your kids can run like Ichiro, then they can be dead hands slap hitters, but if they can't, then they better hit like Molitor, Olerud or Brett or better yet, learn to tip it and rip it and they may hit enough home runs and doubles to make their High School coach really like them.

"If you are built like Frank Thomas, you don't need to tip it either. Ted Williams once said that if he could work with Thomas that Frank would hit 80 home runs every year. It never happened.

"Timing it for a good athlete is not hard, what has happened is that nobody has taught it to anybody. What is really hard is setting your bat behind your shoulder, go from a dead start and then expect rotation to bring the bat around and magically hit the ball. That has been taught to many kids.......good luck"
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"Tip it and rip it" - In Memory of Dmac

hope this helps you..I will email you something as well
Last edited by wogdoggy
His move from 'stance to toe touch' sets him up for a weak swing to contact. The picture below is at toe touch.

He is not dropping his hands - they are at his armpit where they belong. Also, notice the perfect front elbow.

He is dropping his back elbow before toe touch, causing 'bat drag', and a weak swing. His back elbow should be roughly even with his shoulder at his point. (The back shoulder should drop, but only after toe touch, when he begins rotation)

Plus his knees are pointed out, not straight ahead.

Also, his shoulders are upside down. The front shoulder should be even with, or lower than his back shoulder at this stage.



All he needs to work on, is to practice coiling inward to toe touch, with his back elbow up, and front shoulder slightly down. He can do this at home in a mirror.
Last edited by SultanofSwat

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