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Okay, that may be a little harsh, but here’s the situation. Imo, my son has a diet that could use a lot of help. My wife and I have been fairly lazy in implementing a good diet (she would disagree…).

Here’s a quick background. My son just turned 15, is a freshman in high school, and has been a top performer in basketball and baseball all his life (notice I didn’t say a top “athlete”). He is 6 ft tall, weighs about 160. For baseball, he plays catcher and shortstop (mostly catcher this year). He’s always been a .400 hitter, makes plays in the field, and his number one asset is his head. He’s one of those kids that has baseball smarts, and steps up in big games.

Now that he’s in high school, he was the starting center on his basketball team, and he’s won the starting catching job on the baseball team and is doing fine.

I’m worried more about his long term potential, especially as it relates to nutrition, strength and conditioning. When playing basketball in the winter, the team ran a lot. And I mean a lot! And he had no problem with that. But I’m concerned that he just doesn’t eat right or condition himself. For example, he can’t do a pullup. No upper body strength, really.

As for his eating habits, he eats hardly anything. He eats A LOT of cereal (honey bunches of oats). He eats it for breakfast and before he goes to bed. For lunch, he eats a peanut butter and chocolate (well, Nutella) sandwich on whole wheat bread, a drink (diet sprite) and a little snack (some chips or something). For dinner, he basically eats either pizza or chicken nuggets. He does drink a lot of 2% milk. He occasionally eats a yogurt or applesauce, but other than that, no fruits or vegetables.

My wife considers ketchup on his chicken nuggets as a vegetable, as well as the little tiny cup of applesauce. She thinks he gets plenty of protein from the cereal, milk and the peanut butter. Obviously he gets plenty of carbs. He vehemently dislikes virtually every other kind of food. When eating dinner, he pretty much gets his own meal, and we eat what my wife makes.

Our doctor has said that as long as he’s growing (and he’s big), he’s fine, and that if he weren’t getting proper nutrition, he wouldn’t be 6 ft tall and so athletic.

Am I right to be concerned? He’s got a ton of potential – I’d just like to see him get close to it.

Thanks!!
goMO
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Well, let me first say that your son's nutritional intake is not uncommon in comparison to that of the majority of America's teens.

Considering we are the most unhealthy country in the world, that is not saying much.

It is very hard to change a teenagers diet at this point unless he wants to. Typically a girl he likes would be able to do it very easy!

All kidding aside he needs to see why starting to incorporate certain foods in his diet will help him. I don't care what the reason is. Baseball, basketball, girls, looks etc.

Especially since he has not been taught proper nutritional habits up to this point it wil be tough. Notice I did not say impossible, but tough.

At bare minimum the meals he has at home should be on the healthy variety. What do you and your wife's nutrition look like? Are you setting a good example for him? If not, it will make him even more difficult to get across the message.

You should be concerned. Poor nutrition is the nation's leading cause of death. Some people will disagree with me on this and say that I am overreacting, but typically the people who say that are overweight and not in optimal health.

So to recap he needs a very good reason to change his habits (lecturing won't do it) and he needs to see his parents set a great example.

You may have to even use some trickery. What has worked in the past for some of my clients who wanted thier kids to eat better was this. You have to say something like this to your kid, "I really want to drop a few pounds. I know I have to eat better and exercise more to do so. I was hoping you could help me with this. I want you and I to eat healthier, not only to help you, but to help me reach my goals. I love you and want to be around for you and I know if we did this together I would be successful at it. What do you say?"

Then go on and tell him the honey bunches of oats are being dropped for oatmeal and fruits, etc.

Does it sound corney? yes. Does it take a committment on your part? Yes. But it is very effective. You are sending many positive messages in one statement.

I know I came off very strong in this post but it is only because I know how serious of a topic this is.

Please let me know if you need any further help.
Thanks Jon! You did not come off too strong. I am looking for a bit of a reality check here, so I do appreciate it.

I doubt the Honey Bunches of Oats will go soon, but if we could add a few fruits and vegetables, I would be happy!

I like your idea. I could stand to lose a couple of pounds myself, so trying to include him in that may be beneficial.

Thanks!!
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Our sons sound very similar. I don't think my son started paying attention to nutrition until he was about 16. The rest of us in the family eat basically vegetarian. He was the lone wolf for many years!! But he changed suddenly. He worked with a personal trainer in the fall of his sophomore year to get in shape for baseball. (Not his idea..my husband's..we pushed and it worked for once) The personal trainer was a nutrition NUT...but he hammered in one or two things that my son paid attention to (probably because they didn't come from me or my husband): First: no soft drinks ever or fast food ever again. Second: eat high carb/low fat. Somehow, my son became a label reader..and I"m telling you, he was Mr. Junk Food. I think he started to feel better once he de-toxed from some of this kind of iffy food. The personal trainer had an interesting approach: the first session, he tested my son for strength, endurance, flexibility and body fat (among other things). He told my son the results and said he could improve them by a good measurable amount if he followed a few guidelines, watched his diet and worked out a bit more. My son really transformed many of his eating habits and his body by spring of his sophomore year. By the way, he has never eaten a green vegetable in his life but is committed to taking a multi-vit and vitamin C every day. It's a balance. Addendum: Super Size Me is a great idea. He bought that movie on the advice of his trainer..and felt very smug knowing that he was "off" fast food completely!!
The original post could have been written by me. I, too, have been extremely concerned with my sons nutrition for many years as well. I have talked to nutrition experts about him on several occasions and they tell me that as long as he is growing he's fine. Well, he just turned 16 last week and right now he's 6'3 and weighs 210#. My feeling all along has been that he has a phobia about trying foods. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I just know that's what it is. When he was in 2nd grade, his teacher at school MADE him sit there and eat some peas or something and it really screwed him up. It was a big deal at the time as I remember. He absolutely will not try anything anymore because of the trauma of that incident. At least that's my opinion. Anyone out there know how to get a kid over something like this? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Certainly we cannot over looked your sons incident. What foods will he currently eat?

Although I agree that very few young kids eat well, it is very dangerous advice to just assume a kid will improve his eating habits as he get solder. How many HS kids do you know who improve his/her eating habits when they go to college? Or when they get into the real world and all of a sudden have a job, home kids and a ton of responsibility. Sure there are a few, but I can prob. count them on one hand. This is one of the resons why we are the fattest, most unhealthiest country in the world.

IMO opinion the issue needs to be tackled as early as possible. It does not have to be done all at once. Little changes over time make all of the difference. But they certainly have to see the benefits for them, whatever their motivation may be. For some it is play better baseball. For others it is picking up girls. Find what will motivate them and start the small changes.
Every once in awhile, I email my kid interesting articles, posts, tidbits, etc. that I see when I'm here at work.

I just sent him your "top 10 protein sources" blog, Jon. We'll talk about it this weekend. Like you said, small steps are still steps, and if I can get him to make some progress, I'll be happy!
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Jon,

If you can tell me of a way to get my son to try something he thinks he won't like, I'm all ears. I've been trying for years without much success. I can't hold him down and pry his mouth open or anything like that. He is just stubborn and doesn't care if I think he should eat something that I know he would like if he would just try it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

OP
Jon - just an idea, but maybe one of your blogs could be related to sugar, and how much kids get that doesn't do them any good. sugar in soda, cereal, candy bars, etc. and what the impacts are to the body of all these empty calories.

btw, does your unbreakable abs dvd cover other stuff as well, like squats and other things, or is it more ab-related?
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Originally posted by Old Pitcher:
If you can tell me of a way to get my son to try something he thinks he won't like, I'm all ears. I've been trying for years without much success. ... Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

OP


Bribe him! That's how my parents got me to do things that they knew I would like and would be good for me. I didn't like the smell of most vegetables so I refused to eat them. Dad said he'd give me 5 bucks if I ate serving of corn and didn't like it. I ate it, loved it, told him I hated it and took the $5. Next time corn was on the table I dove right in and dad demanded his omney back.

Might not work, but I can tell you that it only took one shot with me and then I would try just about anything that my dad suggested, some things went over well, other things I would never touch again, but at least he had my trust.

Coach Dan
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GoMo,

I will cover sugar in my next blog.

Yes Unbreakable Abs covers everything. Actually there are over 40 "core" exercises in the program and not one single crunch. You will be amazed at how well they carry over to baseball and then question why nobody else teaches (or understands) this info.

I tell my guys if they are in the crunch position (lying on their back) on the field they probably are not doing so well Smile
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GoMo:

Our kids may be brothers separated at birth. Mine will turn 16 in August, but is almost 6'2" and doesn't break 160 soaking wet. He is a real picky eater and I find myself constantly pushing food on him. We tried a suppliment but he couldn't/wouldn't drink it.

He also has very little upper body strength. We have worked with weights on and off over the last 2 years but have been unable to keep a routine going. We laid off the weights during HS spring season which was probably a mistake. His velocity has decreased noticably and upper body strength has also decreased since January, and now I feel like I am having to "cram" to get him into some kind of shape for summer ball. He has had a dissaponting spring HS season and really needs a good summer experience to get his confidence back (not to mention his curveball).

I am starting to panic a little, but don't want to be too pushy and possibly damage our relationship. But at the same time I feel the need to convey some sense of urgency to him. He has always been able to just walk up and do "good enough" without a whole lot of extra effort, this spring being the exception. Everyone on the team is "good enough", but "good enough" doesn't get you in the lineup anymore. Maybe he doesn't have the drive and ambition necessary to take it to the next level. Maybe he just needs a good strong push, I don't know.

I'm not expecting the answer to be out here in cyberspace but writing this out made me feel a little better.
Coach - sorry to hear that. Believe me, I don't have the answer. I wish I did...

The only advice I may give you is that sometimes its better to have someone else talk to your kid, because we all know they don't want to listen to dad.. Maybe a doctor, nutritionalist, etc. Someone he may listen too.

It doesn't sound right that he's losing strength. Although my kid does nothing right as far as eating/working out, his strength does seem to increase, and his arm-strength in particular this year is noticeably up.

and I certainly understand about pushing too much, etc. I wish you luck.

I like one of the quotes someone has at the bottom of their posts. something like "don't let being good stop you from being great". I think it applies to alot of our kids..
goMO,

I can relate exactly to your son. Im 6'3" aa freshman and i can say i have a small spare tire. But i had the exact problem i was super good but not much speed or athletic build. But as soon as i hit high school my size was key. I started to get tons more playing time. And then i was introduced to something that changed my life....... A Weight Lifting Program. I suggest it to the full extent and get real serious with it. It will help with speed and athleticism, etc. Ive gone from being the bench warmer to the starter. And i wouldnt worry about a diet because no high schooler at my school nor i really eat well rounded. But we do eat vegetables and fruits so as long as you do eat them youll be fine.

(When i say you will do.. i refer to your son im sorry. I understand what you saying because i lived like that but now my size is truly a benefit)

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