I've played with several hundred different guys since my junior year of high school (when people first started committing) and I literally don't know how much money a single one of my friends/teammates have received. Its just not something I care to discuss...not because of some unwritten rule of secrecy, but because that doesn't affect my friendship with that person or my work ethic on the field. There is, in my opinion, very little benefit in sharing this information. No positive responses would be elicited most likely.
The single most onerous and challenging task a college head coach faces is that of trying to divvy up the relatively small number of scholarships he has available to 27 of his players (Division I). The decisions he makes concerning individual players' portions are influenced by many variables, most of them highly specific to each returning roster player and incoming recruit.
Because of its significance to the future success of his team (and, therefore, his own livelihood), a head coach tends to exert absolute dominion over this process. Many, if not most, coaches consider whatever decisions they make concerning scholarship amounts to be private.
For all of these reasons, a player or his family members run a very high risk of alienating the head coach by revealing their baseball scholarship amount.
Conclusion: Posting offers/amounts anywhere on the internet is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time.
Because of its significance to the future success of his team (and, therefore, his own livelihood), a head coach tends to exert absolute dominion over this process. Many, if not most, coaches consider whatever decisions they make concerning scholarship amounts to be private.
For all of these reasons, a player or his family members run a very high risk of alienating the head coach by revealing their baseball scholarship amount.
Conclusion: Posting offers/amounts anywhere on the internet is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time.
quote:Originally posted by Prepster:
Conclusion: Posting offers/amounts anywhere on the internet is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time.
Well said Prepster!
Why anyone would want to argue otherwise (or give an argument as to otherwise) is beyond me.
Why anyone would want to argue otherwise (or give an argument as to otherwise) is beyond me.
I'm OK with them posting it.
When my son was offered on a campus visit, the coach explained how he divides up the money. He indicated that starting pitchers typically recieved the most money; then shortstops, then catchers, and centerfielders. Sometimes positions of need came open and he offered more to fill that need with the right player. He made it clear that not everyone is on scholarship, and that the offer was to be kept private. I sat down with my son and reinforced the need to keep his offer private. Many of his high school buddies (and their parents) bragged about what they were getting to sign with their school, but no one on his college team has ever talked about money.
I'd bet a few $$ that your son's bragging teammates weren't always truthful either.
Justbaseball, I'm sure you're right! I also look at it as not only bragging, but also being disrespectful to the coach who wants it kept in house, and being disrespectful to your future teammates who may not be getting as much! I know guys on the starting lineup (top of the order) for MAJOR D1 programs who are not getting a dime of athletic money. These guys love playing so much for their school they could care less if someone else on the bench is getting money.
quote:These guys love playing so much for their school they could care less if someone else on the bench is getting money.
Exactly!
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
I think facebook causes more problems than it solves. I don't want anything to do with it.
I agree. Anyone who thinks FB is a good idea should go read thier Terms of Use. Tells you everything you need to know.
I actually thoroughly enjoy Facebook. I've had one since I was 14 years old, when it was first available to high school students. Its a great way to keep in touch with your friends and to network yourself through certain social platforms you see fit. I have nearly 1,800 Facebook "friends" and I've never had an issue with privacy or censorship. As long as you maintain your page in a mature and beneficial way, it can do no harm.
I am with you JH, as probably many who post here.
However, I don't think that whether one posts to FB or not is the issue, but rather is it proper to communicate to others in public, whether it be on a social network forum, in a public forum (such as here), or at the ball field, discretion should always be the #1 priority as to your families business.
For those that feel it's ok to publish that information, have you ever sat down with a coach who offered your son/daughter a very,very nice scholarship (or anything) and asked you to keep that info to yourself? Probably not. Even if not asked, do you think that your son/daughter would appreciate you giving out that info on a public message board? Probably not as well.
Keep in mind folks, this isn't about YOU! Have some respect for the coaches that take the time to come and watch your son play, make phone calls and make themselves available when you want to ask questions and allow your son to ply in their program and earn their degree there. Have some respect for your players, keep in mind that they will be the ones who will have to be with that coach for 3-4 years, not you.
You don't need to be a member of FB to figure that out, it's not about social networking, it's about common sense.
However, I don't think that whether one posts to FB or not is the issue, but rather is it proper to communicate to others in public, whether it be on a social network forum, in a public forum (such as here), or at the ball field, discretion should always be the #1 priority as to your families business.
For those that feel it's ok to publish that information, have you ever sat down with a coach who offered your son/daughter a very,very nice scholarship (or anything) and asked you to keep that info to yourself? Probably not. Even if not asked, do you think that your son/daughter would appreciate you giving out that info on a public message board? Probably not as well.
Keep in mind folks, this isn't about YOU! Have some respect for the coaches that take the time to come and watch your son play, make phone calls and make themselves available when you want to ask questions and allow your son to ply in their program and earn their degree there. Have some respect for your players, keep in mind that they will be the ones who will have to be with that coach for 3-4 years, not you.
You don't need to be a member of FB to figure that out, it's not about social networking, it's about common sense.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I am with you JH, as probably many who post here.
However, I don't think that whether one posts to FB or not is the issue, but rather is it proper to communicate to others in public, whether it be on a social network forum, in a public forum (such as here), or at the ball field, discretion should always be the #1 priority as to your families business.
For those that feel it's ok to publish that information, have you ever sat down with a coach who offered your son/daughter a very,very nice scholarship (or anything) and asked you to keep that info to yourself? Probably not. Even if not asked, do you think that your son/daughter would appreciate you giving out that info on a public message board? Probably not as well.
Keep in mind folks, this isn't about YOU! Have some respect for the coaches that take the time to come and watch your son play, make phone calls and make themselves available when you want to ask questions and allow your son to ply in their program and earn their degree there. Have some respect for your players, keep in mind that they will be the ones who will have to be with that coach for 3-4 years, not you.
You don't need to be a member of FB to figure that out, it's not about social networking, it's about common sense.
Well said.
Much too much is shared on FB, and although parents are proud, that's just poor judgment.
2013 has a close high school friend/teammate who signed with a DII. He shared with our son the offer, just as a point of reference in our journey. No one else on the team knows. In similar fashion, 2013's travel team coach shared the journey of his son - including the offer and how the process unfolded, GPA, ACT, etc., just so parents would know how it works and also be reasonable in their expectations.
quote:Originally posted by 2013 Parent:
In similar fashion, 2013's travel team coach shared the journey of his son - including the offer and how the process unfolded, GPA, ACT, etc., just so parents would know how it works and also be reasonable in their expectations.
Good stuff. That's how most learn about the process, from one who has been through it before (with their own players or those on their team) and whose mission is to help his players to obtain interest with coaches.
When son was making his decision, before he made his final choice, he turned to his summer travel coach (s) for advice.
We too were fortunate to have two GREAT helpers in our son's summer and HS coach. Both had a lot of experience and both were more than happy to advise and help in anyway was asked.
Don't put anything on social media you would not want to see on the five o clock news. Many programs and workplaces now have social media policies. Expect a coach to visit your site so regulate your activity accordingly.
Do coaches read parents' facebooks, too?
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
Do coaches read parents' facebooks, too?
Maybe. Why chance anything, or rather why post this information? What is the purpose?
Let me tell you a story that occurred here many years ago. Dad posts regularly and mentions that his son will be transferring to a top D1 program come fall. He then went on to say that his son was more or less recruited by teammates at the cape. These things used to happen years ago, summer teammates get friendly with a player call coach and say they want him to play with them. A parent here, probably not liking that dad, called the NCAA.
Point being you just have to be careful what you say, on a public message board or elsewhere.
In case some of you are unaware, Prepster's son is a coach at a prominent D1. Read the last line in his post, I am probably sure his son would agree to that statement as well.
I am getting a kick out of you guys who say it's ok to post this info (for others to learn from) but it's not ok to use FB.
Sort of hypocritical, IMO.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Let me tell you a story that occurred here many years ago. Dad posts regularly and mentions that his son will be transferring to a top D1 program come fall. He then went on to say that his son was more or less recruited by teammates at the cape. These things used to happen years ago, summer teammates get friendly with a player call coach and say they want him to play with them. A parent here, probably not liking that dad, called the NCAA.
Point being you just have to be careful what you say, on a public message board or elsewhere.
LOL!
I'd forgotten all about that!
quote:Originally posted by Prepster:quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Let me tell you a story that occurred here many years ago. Dad posts regularly and mentions that his son will be transferring to a top D1 program come fall. He then went on to say that his son was more or less recruited by teammates at the cape. These things used to happen years ago, summer teammates get friendly with a player call coach and say they want him to play with them. A parent here, probably not liking that dad, called the NCAA.
Point being you just have to be careful what you say, on a public message board or elsewhere.
LOL!
I'd forgotten all about that!
Yeah, long time ago! I am glad you remembered, I don't make these things up!!!
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
These things used to happen years ago, summer teammates get friendly with a player call coach and say they want him to play with them.
It still happens, plenty of times. I guarantee you'd be hard pressed to find an NCAA athlete or coach that hasn't broken some sort of NCAA misconduct rule, be it intentionally or unintentionally (and its usually unintentionally and unnoticed).
quote:Originally posted by J H:quote:Originally posted by TPM:
These things used to happen years ago, summer teammates get friendly with a player call coach and say they want him to play with them.
It still happens, plenty of times. I guarantee you'd be hard pressed to find an NCAA athlete or coach that hasn't broken some sort of NCAA misconduct rule, be it intentionally or unintentionally (and its usually unintentionally and unnoticed).
I agree but that was not my point (about whether what happened was in violation or not).
My point was that all it took was one p off parent who for some reason had an issue with what was said and ran back to the NCAA.
All it could take is one p off parent to see another parent brag on a public website and make a call, it happens, lots of jealous people out there for sure!