Posting Team Stats...

I have done it both ways... but i really believe now that the best way is for me to post them all. I keep them on a web base that is open to all so your grandma can see them and so can my opponent.

I could go into a few reasons I guess, but suffice it to say for my situation; I like having the stats wide open for all to see.

Here's a good reason not to post stats publicly. A kid on the JV team was a mediocre hitter with mediocre mechanics and a slow swing. He was completely overmatched by quality pitching. He got to play more often against weak pitching where he would proceed to get two oppo line drive hits.

Guess what we got to listen to all season in the stands! Why doesn't my son play all the time since he has the highest batting average? Why does he bat seventh when he plays (too slow to hit 9th)? Why hasn't he been called up to varsity.

In all fairness RJM that guy would have been saying something else even if the stats were kept private. Those types find something to say no matter what.

Honestly, I really never did stats. I could care less about them and really never used them to make any decisions at all based on them. That's probably blasphemous to say but I honestly don't care at all about them.

Not a real big fan of postseason banquets and awards either. I know this makes me sound like the guy who is negative and whatnot but my guys hated going to the football and basketball banquets and sitting through speakers and trophy's and stuff. We always had a cookout and played horseshoes or cornhole. They guys had much more fun with that than anything else. I handed out 3 trophy's my first year and let the guys vote on them - went the way I thought it should. There was so much griping and complaining over who got what that I decided then and there I would never hand out an award again. Smooth sailing ever since and I would always ask the guys if they wanted any awards handed out and they said they could care less either. So without having trophys there was no need for stats.

we have gone away from giving kids individual stats unless requested. what we do post publicly is "Production Points." We have put together a chart we've used for 4 years now trying to build the team concept of being productive as opposed to "what am I hitting?" We basically give point value for things like hits, rbi, SB, 2 out hit, etc, but also advancing a runner, aggressive baserunning, six plus pitch AB, etc. We have found a kid can go 0-4 and still produce. Also, it has reinforced our philosophy on situational hitting and its importance. We had a kid in a scrimmage the other night hit a 2-run homer and double in his 1st two at bats, and after scoring a run and being hi-fived by his teammates, he was excited that he already had 10 production points! Another kid, who scored on his homerun, got a point for a HBP, 1 point for a SB, 2 points for aggressive baserunning (took 3rd on a ball in the dirt that was blocked but he got a great read) and 1 point for a run scored got 5 points. Now would he have scored without the other stuff, with a HR of course, but after he stole on a 1st pitch CB, advanced on a CH in the dirt, our #3 hitter got fed a FB away and then a FB in he hit down then line about 390! We preached that his aggressiveness on the bases got our best hitter a pitch to do damage with...team concept.

how has this helped us???? we all have the "stat daddy" that keeps his own book and can tell you "so and so is hitting .311 and that kids hitting .270 etc" That could give ammo for the "why is junior not ahead of him?" But with these points, we show who helps us win. A guy hitting .340 may look good, but is he putting runs up or helping produce them/prevent them?

You do not need stats to figure out your best players. Figures lie and liars figure.

turnin2, you have a private message. Looking to get my hands on your scoring system.

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Originally posted by Will:
You do not need stats to figure out your best players. Figures lie and liars figure.

Agreed. A high school player gets about 75 at bats. Each hit is worth fifteen points. Five ropes right at fielders costs a hitter 75 points. On paper there's a huge difference between .325 and .400.

turnin2,
That is awesome could you share your system. I have been trying to develop something similar but am struggling some. I was thinking plus and minus type thing for quality abs vs.mental mistakes etc.Would be interesed if you could expound.

as always... thanks for the wonderful input!

the offensive system has been in place for us for about 4 years. We adopted the defense and some pitching from Ron Polk's "Baseball Playbook." While we certainly didn't reinvent the wheel, we have heard TCU and a few other schools using similar methods. Below is what we do, by all means use it and tweak it as you wish, and let me know how it could be better. Now, we do have a coach keep this for us when we are hitting, I handle the pitching so it gets charted between innings.

Productivity Chart

Hitting
Sacrifice- 1 pt
Aggressive base-running- 2 pt
Hit behind runner- 2 pt
Walk- 1 pt
On base- 1 pt
Rbi- 1 pt + # of rbi
Hit- 1 pt + pts for number of bases
Steal- 1 pt
Run scored- 1 pt
6+ pitch AB- 2 pts
2 out hit- 2 pts + # of bases

Defense- Adopted from Ron Polk
Start DP- 1 pt
Def. Assist- 1 pt
Catcher Throw out runner- 1 pt
Outstanding Play- 2 pt
OF Assist- 2 pt

Pitching- partially adopted from Ron Polk
Victory- 6 pt
No Earned Runs- 4 pts
Inherited runners not scoring- 2 pts per runner
Less than 3 Earned Runs in complete game- 3 pts
Strikeout- 1 pt
Less than 12 pitches per inning- 1 pt
0 walks in an inning- 1 pt
Complete game- 6 pt
Save- 6 pt

I don't post stats on our website (www.ccvikingsbaseball.com) because I have used other teams' websites to assist me in scouting! If I can see certain stats (SB, SO/BB ratio, average, extra base hits, OB%, etc.), I have a pretty good idea how to call pitches to help us win!
I share stats with my players TWICE A YEAR. The 1st time is the 1/2 way point of the season, where I give the kids the stats and a detailed, typed assessment of their successes and areas of needed work up to that point. The next time they see stats is at the banquet when the season is over...I've always believed in the theory of "WE instead of ME", so who cares about the stats?