Poteet C cleared for state tourney?

I read the story. Looks like the player in question is cleared to play. I was at the game and the player was ejected for knocking over the coach while trying to cover behind the 1st baseman trailing the runner. From what I could tell, the catcher went to help the coach up and I guess the ump thought a fight broke out and the catcher laid him out (which was NOT the case). After he was ejected, then he went ballistic. It was definitely a crazy night for some baseball!

Good luck to all the local teams as they advance on to state.

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Originally posted by NuffSaid:
I read the story. Looks like the player in question is cleared to play. I was at the game and the player was ejected for knocking over the coach while trying to cover behind the 1st baseman trailing the runner. From what I could tell, the catcher went to help the coach up and I guess the ump thought a fight broke out and the catcher laid him out (which was NOT the case). After he was ejected, then he went ballistic. It was definitely a crazy night for some baseball!

Good luck to all the local teams as they advance on to state.

Was this a 3 or 4 man umpiring crew? I can't believe if the catcher was running down the line trailing the runner that one of the other umpires didn't see what happened... and let the kid stay in the game...

Tx-Ump74 - I believe it was a 4 man split crew. I was shocked no one else saw it either, but the entire game was pretty crazy. I know it wasn't on purpose because I saw the kid hugging the coach in question after the game.

I agree, 4 man, split crew. EJECTED for running into the coach! BUT, the first base umpire was definately QUICK to pull the trigger and never even looked for assistance from behind the plate or others.

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Originally posted by Stay-Fair:
I agree, 4 man, split crew. EJECTED for running into the coach! BUT, the first base umpire was definately QUICK to pull the trigger and never even looked for assistance from behind the plate or others.

I agree. Think the trigger was pulled too quick and no "help" was requested. I got the impression that since he got tossed, the umps weren't gonna over turn it even if they were in the wrong.


Tx-Ump74 - In your opinion/experience: If the umpires got together and another ump saw that what happened was not intentional or malicious A) Would he say so to the other umps and B) Would they over rule the ejection and re-instate the player?

checking.. umps may not have even filed in gamereport.. as they would do for a coach

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Originally posted by Stay-Fair:
I agree, 4 man, split crew. EJECTED for running into the coach! BUT, the first base umpire was definately QUICK to pull the trigger and never even looked for assistance from behind the plate or others.

I agree. Think the trigger was pulled too quick and no "help" was requested. I got the impression that since he got tossed, the umps weren't gonna over turn it even if they were in the wrong.


Tx-Ump74 - In your opinion/experience: If the umpires got together and another ump saw that what happened was not intentional or malicious A) Would he say so to the other umps and B) Would they over rule the ejection and re-instate the player?

OK... Just to understand better where the umpires might have been... what was the situation, outs, who was on and where was the ball hit???

First of all I am still amazed why one of the other umpires didn't see it... 2nd... if the coach (who got knocked down)knew it was not intentional why didn't he plead his case to the umpire who dumped him.... bush if he didn't

I would hope that if another umpire saw what happened that they would have gotten involved (asked or not) and offered more information to the umpire who dumped the player... I would NEVER overrule him, it is his call and only his call all I can do is offer additional information.

Now as far as not filing a ejection report with the UIL.. good luck with that, as an umpire can get in trouble and suspended for not filing an ejection report with UIL. As you can see information (right and wrong) gets out and a report is the only way you can provide the information to UIL instead of "hear-say" as in this thread.

Thanks for the insight Tx-Ump74. I believe there were no outs and nobody on base. Ball was hit to left center field gap. 1st baseman trailed the runner and the poteet catcher ran down the line to sneak in behind the runner in case he took too big of a turn and was held to a single, Poteet could then safely throw behind the runner knowing the catcher was there and hopefully get an out. Batter ended up getting to 2nd safely so there was no throw needed.

Also, have you ever seen an ejected player re-instated into the game because the ump got it wrong? Just curious.

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Originally posted by NuffSaid:
Thanks for the insight Tx-Ump74. I believe there were no outs and nobody on base. Ball was hit to left center field gap. 1st baseman trailed the runner and the poteet catcher ran down the line to sneak in behind the runner in case he took too big of a turn and was held to a single, Poteet could then safely throw behind the runner knowing the catcher was there and hopefully get an out. Batter ended up getting to 2nd safely so there was no throw needed.

Also, have you ever seen an ejected player re-instated into the game because the ump got it wrong? Just curious.

So nobody on with a hit to left center... U2 goes out with the hit (for possible catch), U3 comes in to take the any play at second, U1 watches touch at first then moves towards home as Plate umpire moves to 3rd for a possible play... don't understand what everyone was looking at... with no one on, there is only one guy that needs to be watching the ball... U3 coming in should be watching the runner to see if he releases from 1st to 2nd... but I wasn't there so who knows what went wrong...

and no to reinstatement during the game I have heard of ejections being overturned but all after the fact/game.

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
and no to reinstatement during the game I have heard of ejections being overturned but all after the fact/game.

So even if the call was wrong (and IMO it was, but I'm not an ump) it wouldn't have mattered because the ump wasn't gonna let the kid back in to play.

Hopefully everything gets settled and the kid gets to play again because every call, good or bad, is a moot point now!

I don't think umps saw what happened, just aftermath and umps might claim ejection for saying something or a gesture... but if an umpire thinks/smells/sees a player intentionally push a coach to the ground, the player's hs career history not a one-game suspension.. so i don't think that's what anyone is saying happened..

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
and no to reinstatement during the game I have heard of ejections being overturned but all after the fact/game.

So even if the call was wrong (and IMO it was, but I'm not an ump) it wouldn't have mattered because the ump wasn't gonna let the kid back in to play.

Hopefully everything gets settled and the kid gets to play again because every call, good or bad, is a moot point now!

I didn't say that.. read my thread I would give the information to the other umpire and let him make the final determination... but I would try to be pretty persuasive about what I saw but again he has to make the final determination. It would be a topic of discussion after the game either way!

I was at the game. I thought the catcher was ejected because he thought the runner missed 1B and argued with the umpire???

I hardly saw anything and that was the only thing that made sence to me. Everything just happened so quick. However, I do not have anyone on either team to ask so I really have no idea what actually happend.