bobblehead
You made the statement that you can tell the difference---not me
By the way the official documents on this guy did not say he wa sa danger to others--this is as per his final release papers
TR your info is not up to date. A judge ruled him a danger and the state went ahead and released him.
there are people who can evalute these people who have shown a tendancy for violence as this guy did. TR you haven't even seen really weird people until you live in London England.
there are people who can evalute these people who have shown a tendancy for violence as this guy did. TR you haven't even seen really weird people until you live in London England.
bobblehead
I have seen more weird people than you can shake a stick at--even a few in my own family---but that does not make them killers or even potential killers
I have seen more weird people than you can shake a stick at--even a few in my own family---but that does not make them killers or even potential killers
Orlando - good article but it does gloss over one detail. It may not be possible for the police to take action against someone like Cho but the University may want to re-think its policies on the matter. The following quote from the article is instructive:
Seems girls complaining of stalking on two instances is a serious complaint.
Seems a world renowned poet saying that either "He is removed from my class or I resign" is a serious complaint.
Seems setting a room on fire is a serious complaint.
Seems his writings themselves form the basis for a serious complaint.
Seems his anti-social behaviour in class could be a serious complaint.
Seems a judge ordering him to a clinic is a serious complaint.
Seems having a department head having to give him private instructions could form the basis for a serious complaint.
Seems at least all that put together is a serious complaint.
I agree that it may be possible to determine if someone is mentally ill but impossible to predict if they in fact pose a threat to others. We don't need to be slaves to anti-social people either. It seems we ought to at least be able to force them to get help. That still doesn't guarantee you could ultimately prevent things however.
We have many college-educated people on this site. How many of you ever felt the need to request that a fellow student be kicked out of one of your classes?
quote:In some extreme cases, such as a violation of campus rules or a serious complaint, officials can require that a student gets counseling as a condition for allowing them to stay in school.
Seems girls complaining of stalking on two instances is a serious complaint.
Seems a world renowned poet saying that either "He is removed from my class or I resign" is a serious complaint.
Seems setting a room on fire is a serious complaint.
Seems his writings themselves form the basis for a serious complaint.
Seems his anti-social behaviour in class could be a serious complaint.
Seems a judge ordering him to a clinic is a serious complaint.
Seems having a department head having to give him private instructions could form the basis for a serious complaint.
Seems at least all that put together is a serious complaint.
I agree that it may be possible to determine if someone is mentally ill but impossible to predict if they in fact pose a threat to others. We don't need to be slaves to anti-social people either. It seems we ought to at least be able to force them to get help. That still doesn't guarantee you could ultimately prevent things however.
We have many college-educated people on this site. How many of you ever felt the need to request that a fellow student be kicked out of one of your classes?
quote:What really bothers me, is that this person HAD a history of instability and was still able to purchase a gun. System needs an overhaul, though I suppose those that want to, will find a way to get a gun.
Until you want to lose your right to medical privacy you have a system that has to work the way it is. He was never convicted, and his accusers never pressed charges.
A gun is a dangerous weapon, however, this guy could have run over 30 people with his car during a class break, or broadsided a school bus. Does this mean that he should not have gotten a drivers licence?
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
RZ1 I would agree with some of what you say because I had lots of scary lookinhg friends in college but I can tell the difference between scary looking and evil minded. 20/20 after 20 horrific events is not a knee jerk reaction.
Very few have ever gotten inside a nuts head before he fell from the tree. Profiling evil by looks is a crime in my eyes. Ted Bundy is the other end of the spectrum, he didn't look nasty but had nasty streak, and no one saw it
That statement was taken too litterally. Karla Holmoka was a stunning blond but probably the most evil person I have evr met.
There are triggers that I think the V tech guy gave more than enough signals to have him committed.
There will always be some who fall through the cracks.
There are triggers that I think the V tech guy gave more than enough signals to have him committed.
There will always be some who fall through the cracks.
I don't feel justified in pointing the finger of blame at anyone other than Cho.
The girls complaints were to their RA's and the VT Police, neither chose to press charges so they must not have regarded it as that "serious". One called it "annoying" and the other just wanted him warned to stay away from her. Many sons here are attractive college jocks; would we agree that any girl on campus, perhaps imbalanced herself, making an accusation against one of our boys should result in a "serious complaint" on his record? Remember Duke Lacrosse.
"Seems a world renowned poet saying that either "He is removed from my class or I resign" is a serious complaint." It may well be. I don't know the professor involved and wouldn't want to judge her based on the interview I saw. It may also be a 'sleeves out of her vest' threat as she would know VT would back her over a single student. Remember, she's a poet and a professor, not a mental health professional.
"Seems setting a room on fire is a serious complaint." Whether it be accidental or intentional?
"Seems his writings themselves form the basis for a serious complaint." & "Seems his anti-social behaviour in class could be a serious complaint." Given that, as you saw in the article and as I'm sure we could all vouch for on anecdotal evidence, there should be serious complaints lodged against a whole lotta students.
"Seems a judge ordering him to a clinic is a serious complaint." If that was because of the concern that he was suicidal, as I read, then (per the linked article), that could encompass 10% of all college students. The clinic held him for as long as they could; they can't hold anyone against their will and without commitment papers. They also wouldn't have the facility to guarentee he's taking any meds prescribed and that the meds prescribed are doing their job, rather than increasing his self-destructive feelings ( a side effect recognized in young patients). Should they send the Meds Police to his room?
And who is it who is putting this all together? How detailed can the campus administration get on each one of those 26,000 students? Should the girls' complaints have gone to Admin when no charges were pressed? Should each of the (on average) 2,600 suicidal-at-some-point students be monitored? (Let's say it's only half; monitor 1,300?) Shall they monitor the anti-social, the dark writers, the creepy?
There's nothing wrong with heightened awareness. There is something wrong with witch hunting.
The girls complaints were to their RA's and the VT Police, neither chose to press charges so they must not have regarded it as that "serious". One called it "annoying" and the other just wanted him warned to stay away from her. Many sons here are attractive college jocks; would we agree that any girl on campus, perhaps imbalanced herself, making an accusation against one of our boys should result in a "serious complaint" on his record? Remember Duke Lacrosse.
"Seems a world renowned poet saying that either "He is removed from my class or I resign" is a serious complaint." It may well be. I don't know the professor involved and wouldn't want to judge her based on the interview I saw. It may also be a 'sleeves out of her vest' threat as she would know VT would back her over a single student. Remember, she's a poet and a professor, not a mental health professional.
"Seems setting a room on fire is a serious complaint." Whether it be accidental or intentional?
"Seems his writings themselves form the basis for a serious complaint." & "Seems his anti-social behaviour in class could be a serious complaint." Given that, as you saw in the article and as I'm sure we could all vouch for on anecdotal evidence, there should be serious complaints lodged against a whole lotta students.
"Seems a judge ordering him to a clinic is a serious complaint." If that was because of the concern that he was suicidal, as I read, then (per the linked article), that could encompass 10% of all college students. The clinic held him for as long as they could; they can't hold anyone against their will and without commitment papers. They also wouldn't have the facility to guarentee he's taking any meds prescribed and that the meds prescribed are doing their job, rather than increasing his self-destructive feelings ( a side effect recognized in young patients). Should they send the Meds Police to his room?
And who is it who is putting this all together? How detailed can the campus administration get on each one of those 26,000 students? Should the girls' complaints have gone to Admin when no charges were pressed? Should each of the (on average) 2,600 suicidal-at-some-point students be monitored? (Let's say it's only half; monitor 1,300?) Shall they monitor the anti-social, the dark writers, the creepy?
There's nothing wrong with heightened awareness. There is something wrong with witch hunting.
Its never easy to predict unpredictablity.
What a horrific way for all of us to learn to put safety precautions on the forefront.
We must learn, improve, implement, and change for the better from such travesty and devestation.
What a horrific way for all of us to learn to put safety precautions on the forefront.
We must learn, improve, implement, and change for the better from such travesty and devestation.
As I was listening to the radio a short while ago, The DJ was mentioning about the video tape he sent to NBC, and how horrible it is to be playing it and so on and so forth, but then she added; The sad part in all of this is now everyone will be discussing the attacker and the tape and in all of this, the victims and their families will take a back seat, which is wrong, let's not forget about the victims.
The more I read this forum it seems to me that this mantra should apply. Yes what he did was terrible, but don't you think analyzing and over analyzing everything is giving this guy too much credit, it seems to me that the victims have taken a back seat in this forum.
JMHO.
The more I read this forum it seems to me that this mantra should apply. Yes what he did was terrible, but don't you think analyzing and over analyzing everything is giving this guy too much credit, it seems to me that the victims have taken a back seat in this forum.
JMHO.
Doc one person interviewed blamed the media for showing this guy looking like Rambo.
It is time to do something about this. The guy clearly states that he emulated Combine and urged more to do the same.
It is time to do something about this. The guy clearly states that he emulated Combine and urged more to do the same.
Gee, why do the networks not show it when fans run on sports fields? They don't want to encourage others to follow suit. Where is that wisdom now?
I have appreciated everyone's take in this thread.
Just heard this song yesterday for the first time and it seems to fit.
Just heard this song yesterday for the first time and it seems to fit.
quote:Anyway
Martina McBride/Brad Warren/Brett Warren
You can spend your whole life buildin'
Somethin' from nothin'
One storm can come and blow it all away
Build it anyway
You can chase a dream
That seems so out of reach
And you know it might not ever come your way
Dream it anyway
God is great, but sometimes life ain't good
When I pray it doesn't always turn out like I think it should
But I do it anyway
I do it anyway
This world's gone crazy and it's hard to believe
That tomorrow will be better than today
Believe it anyway
You can love someone with all your heart
For all the right reasons
And in a moment they can choose to walk away
Love 'em anyway
You can pour your soul out singin'
A song you believe in
That tomorrow they'll forget you ever sang
Sing it anyway
Yeah sing it anyway
I sing
I dream
I love anyway
Governor Timothy M. Kaine has declared Friday, April 20, 2007 a statewide day of mourning for the victims of Monday’s tragedy at Virginia Tech. The Virginia Sheriffs’ Association (VSA) recommends that all Virginia sheriffs and deputies shroud their badges on April 20 as a show of respect for the lives lost in this horrific event. As an alternative, sheriffs and deputies may opt to wear ribbons in Virginia Tech’s colors of maroon and orange on their uniforms on Friday.
The shrouding of a law enforcement badge is traditionally reserved to honor the life of an officer killed in the line of duty. The tragedy at Virginia Tech is unprecedented in Virginia and in U.S. history, and it is appropriate at this time to extend that honor to the innocent lives lost on April 16, 2007. The VSA requests that all Virginia law enforcement officers join together to express our shared respect for the victims, and as a show of support for our Virginia law enforcement family members who have worked so professionally and tirelessly to bring closure to this horrific crime.
On Friday, Governor Kaine will participate in an interfaith prayer service in Monroe Park on the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.
He has encouraged other communities in Virginia and across the nation to hold their own simultaneous ceremonies and participate in prayer services, beginning with the ringing of bells at noon, eastern daylight savings time.
The shrouding of a law enforcement badge is traditionally reserved to honor the life of an officer killed in the line of duty. The tragedy at Virginia Tech is unprecedented in Virginia and in U.S. history, and it is appropriate at this time to extend that honor to the innocent lives lost on April 16, 2007. The VSA requests that all Virginia law enforcement officers join together to express our shared respect for the victims, and as a show of support for our Virginia law enforcement family members who have worked so professionally and tirelessly to bring closure to this horrific crime.
On Friday, Governor Kaine will participate in an interfaith prayer service in Monroe Park on the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.
He has encouraged other communities in Virginia and across the nation to hold their own simultaneous ceremonies and participate in prayer services, beginning with the ringing of bells at noon, eastern daylight savings time.
Continued prayers for the families and friends of those slain.
May God's healing presence touch the hearts and souls of those left behind.
May God's healing presence touch the hearts and souls of those left behind.