Who attended the pre tryout for the area code games at white sox academy this past weekend ?
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I'd like to know some of the noteable players that attended as well?
I saw most of the top 09 players at the Cangelosi camp . Why are these events held on the same weekends ?
If you look a little deeper into the why, you will find the great truth.
Ah so.
Thank you for your great wisdom sensei.
Thank you for your great wisdom sensei.
My guess is there is a little intentional competition going on -- for the talent as well as the bucks. From the list of 09's at the Cangelosi event there couldn't have been too many left over for the area code event. The area code people made it sound like if you didn't attend their event you would be able to participate in their summer events. Is that true?
I thought the Area Codes were invitation only. My son was at Cangelosi, in front of a lot of college coaches. We did not even know about the Area Code event.
There were a handful of players that attended both showcases, as well as a number of talented players who only participated in the Whitesox's event.
quote:Originally posted by Tuzigoot:
Ah so.
What did you just call him?
quote:Originally posted by biggerpapi:quote:Originally posted by Tuzigoot:
Ah so.
What did you just call him?
I resemble that remark!
Hey Paps! Whats wrong with that donkey's knees?
AS-good-slaughter , man that hurts..
or maybe them there arent knees you sees.
or maybe them there arent knees you sees.
LOL, I was thinking the same thing Sparky. I thought I was the only one.
Hey Paps! There is something really wrong that Donkey. I'm seeing something else that is really freaking me out. Did you pick that thing up at one of those 24-hr spanky shops off of I-57 south of Kankakee? 
Yeah, I might need to find a different donkey!
MMR ************Deleted By Moderator************Pre-area code tryout? really? So what was the benefit of this tryout? No schools there, only white sox scouts. Probably a bunch of associate scouts tossing bp. Sounds like a desperate attempt to scare kids into not going other places.
But really what does the area codes provide? Someone tell me that.
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Say what you want about competing for dollars, at least from what I heard, at the cangelosi thing the kids got to work out with and be instructed by college guys. And just not 4 or 5 mid major schools like the advanced skills camp thing.
There are so many sheep in this with the wool over their eyes.
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But really what does the area codes provide? Someone tell me that.
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Say what you want about competing for dollars, at least from what I heard, at the cangelosi thing the kids got to work out with and be instructed by college guys. And just not 4 or 5 mid major schools like the advanced skills camp thing.
There are so many sheep in this with the wool over their eyes.
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All this IL mumbo, jumbo makes me wish for the days when I was back in AZ. Why won't people work together for the benefit of the kids? It's like everything else in this State from the top down - corruption/favoritism and politics. I think there a lot of people who need to look in the mirror...JMHO.
Attack dogs, bring it on.
Attack dogs, bring it on.
TheGreatTruth,
I don't really understand your post or why you brought my message board name or the Longshots into it. I made one comment regarding the Cangi and Whitesox's event.
"There were an handful of players that attended both showcases, as well as a number of talented players who only participated in the Whitesox's event."(MMR)
I really don't see an endorsement for or against any people or organizations in my post above. Please help me understand where I do so. I had player(s) who attended both events and I support THEM(the players) in doing so.
Message board rules: "We expect members to agree or disagree in a civil manner." "Personal attacks will not be tolerated."
"MMR - when did the longshots jump in bed with the dursts?"(TheGreatTruth) "MMR - do you realize that you are supporting people that want to get rid of travel ball. Maybe you can get a high school summer job if that happens and be an assistant coach on the sophomore team. That would be fun."(TheGreatTruth)
I don't really understand your post or why you brought my message board name or the Longshots into it. I made one comment regarding the Cangi and Whitesox's event.
"There were an handful of players that attended both showcases, as well as a number of talented players who only participated in the Whitesox's event."(MMR)
I really don't see an endorsement for or against any people or organizations in my post above. Please help me understand where I do so. I had player(s) who attended both events and I support THEM(the players) in doing so.
Message board rules: "We expect members to agree or disagree in a civil manner." "Personal attacks will not be tolerated."
"MMR - when did the longshots jump in bed with the dursts?"(TheGreatTruth) "MMR - do you realize that you are supporting people that want to get rid of travel ball. Maybe you can get a high school summer job if that happens and be an assistant coach on the sophomore team. That would be fun."(TheGreatTruth)
nc42dad, I'm in total agreement with you. If anyone thinks that all of these opportunities are only provided to the best players, they are incredibly naive. The fact that colleges take PBR rankings as scripture drives me crazy. Just because a kid's old man has the money to line their pockets does not necessarily mean he is better than the kid who let's his performance on the field speak for him.
I thought that this tread was supposed to be about the top 09s that were at the Area Code try-outs?
Additionally, my son got the invite letter. It was stated very clearly that to be eligible for all the subsequent tryouts to come during the summer, i.e. Black and Silver and Area Code, that he must attend the tryout at Bulls/Sox that took place last Saturday.
Additionally, my son got the invite letter. It was stated very clearly that to be eligible for all the subsequent tryouts to come during the summer, i.e. Black and Silver and Area Code, that he must attend the tryout at Bulls/Sox that took place last Saturday.
rrf8,
I'm not real sure to what extent college coaches follow the rankings. Coach Steeley would be better at answering that one. I don't follow the rankings & I would probably look like a total idiot if I did complain because my kids have both been mentioned & it just doesn't matter to me. What I think of them means more to me than what other's think of them.
When I was in HS in AZ we had a magazine similar to this - AZ Prep baseball. he big difference is that they names the top players but did not put them in order 1 thru 50. Yes, I am sure someone got mad because they weren't on the list but you listen around the State here and this person is mad because their kid is #17 and he's better than the #9 kid. It never ends, you know.
As for the money thing - as Forest Gump said in my favorite movie, "I don't know anything about that." My oldest was ranked and he never attended any of their stuff. The youngest went to one showcase in 8th grade.
Not to get off topic, but if they would just list the top 50 kids but in no ranked order it would eliminate a lot of the complaining. But it his his magazine. I just wish we could all get on the same page to help all the kids in IL. That Area Code thing is so political it is a complete joke the way it is right now. JMHO
I'm not real sure to what extent college coaches follow the rankings. Coach Steeley would be better at answering that one. I don't follow the rankings & I would probably look like a total idiot if I did complain because my kids have both been mentioned & it just doesn't matter to me. What I think of them means more to me than what other's think of them.
When I was in HS in AZ we had a magazine similar to this - AZ Prep baseball. he big difference is that they names the top players but did not put them in order 1 thru 50. Yes, I am sure someone got mad because they weren't on the list but you listen around the State here and this person is mad because their kid is #17 and he's better than the #9 kid. It never ends, you know.
As for the money thing - as Forest Gump said in my favorite movie, "I don't know anything about that." My oldest was ranked and he never attended any of their stuff. The youngest went to one showcase in 8th grade.
Not to get off topic, but if they would just list the top 50 kids but in no ranked order it would eliminate a lot of the complaining. But it his his magazine. I just wish we could all get on the same page to help all the kids in IL. That Area Code thing is so political it is a complete joke the way it is right now. JMHO
As for the rankings, they like any sort of evaluation process involved with the game are subjective. There are always other factors that enter the equation in determining a ranking. College coaches, recruiting coordinators particularly, are very good at what they do. They knonw what they are looking for in a player, what type of player fits into their program best. Their evaluation of which players will fit best for their program may or may not be consistent with a rankings list, but it is purely coincidental if they are consistent.
In the same respect, Baseball America is widely recognized as the premier amateur baseball publication, and they constantly publish lists of all sorts; draft previews, all-american lists, etc. Despite all the time, energy and expertise that goes into those lists, rarely does the draft go in the precise order that they project.
That is part of the beauty of this game. Everyone has an opinion. No one is necessarily right or wrong.
Just remember, in order to get an opportunity to play at the next level, it only takes one person to like you. Only one college has to offer you for you to get a chance to play in college. Only one scout has to draft you for you to get a chance to play pro ball.
In the same respect, Baseball America is widely recognized as the premier amateur baseball publication, and they constantly publish lists of all sorts; draft previews, all-american lists, etc. Despite all the time, energy and expertise that goes into those lists, rarely does the draft go in the precise order that they project.
That is part of the beauty of this game. Everyone has an opinion. No one is necessarily right or wrong.
Just remember, in order to get an opportunity to play at the next level, it only takes one person to like you. Only one college has to offer you for you to get a chance to play in college. Only one scout has to draft you for you to get a chance to play pro ball.
Coach Ope-
You are so right. That is what is wrong here to a large extent. How can KIDS get the most exposure so that the ONE coach sees him. If all they do is summer high school you are NOT going to get a lot of exposure & anyone who says otherwise is lying. It should always be about helping the kids.
You are so right. That is what is wrong here to a large extent. How can KIDS get the most exposure so that the ONE coach sees him. If all they do is summer high school you are NOT going to get a lot of exposure & anyone who says otherwise is lying. It should always be about helping the kids.
nc42dad-
Bingo. The purpose of exposure is to increase the chances of finding the one coach who likes you. The more sets of eyes that see him, the more opportunity for someone to like him. Sure, it is ideal if everyone likes a player, but it only takes one.
Bingo. The purpose of exposure is to increase the chances of finding the one coach who likes you. The more sets of eyes that see him, the more opportunity for someone to like him. Sure, it is ideal if everyone likes a player, but it only takes one.
Unfortunately, there are many in power who feel the exact opposite.
As I have said before regarding PBR, and this is my experience only. It was good as far as getting leads and follows as far as kids names. With the ranking stuff, I never really paid attention to that because it is subjecive, entertaining but subjective. Its like posting "top ten baseball movies", a bunch are going to be in the top ten but what one guys likes as the best is never going to be what another guy does. Sean does a good job with it and as long as it helps kids get to college, it can be a good thing.
GreatTruth, please do not attack any of the long shot guys. They are all good coaches who have great hearts.
GreatTruth, please do not attack any of the long shot guys. They are all good coaches who have great hearts.
It is unfortunate that people let money and prestige influence the real reason why exposure and the showcase circuit exists. If not for the kids, there would be no market for those type of events. It's just like any other type of business, provide a quality service at a reasonable value, and you have a successful venture. When you lose sight of that, your product suffers. Unfortunately, in this case the kids suffer.
Just to tickle my curiosity... what exactly is going on with Area Codes here? In the old days, the kids all "tried out" in June. Now they are trying to get kids lighting up the radar guns in January? Are they nuts?
Now that is a really good point.
Was this the pre areacode tryouts for the area code tryouts or the pre pre area code tryouts for the pre area code tryouts. Has this gotten silly or what.
quote:Originally posted by 2bagger:
Was this the pre areacode tryouts for the area code tryouts or the pre pre area code tryouts for the pre area code tryouts. Has this gotten silly or what.
excellent choice of words; has this gotten silly or what? Look out a new one is coming....will announce any day now and No it is not me involved; Just another TOP EVENT FOR TOP PLAYERS IN ILLINOIS for exposure nationwide....
QUESTION? WHO is in charge of the Plainfield games in June and who is behind it all? Who is in charge of Stevenson games and who is behind it all? Who is in charge of the Black and Silver games and who is behind it all? Who is in charge of the Area Code games and is behind it all? CAN SOMEONE OUT THERE TELL ME THOSE ANSWERS....I HEAR ALL KINDS OF RUMORS OUT THERE AND the name comes up the same! so back to the quote above---Has this gotten silly or what?
My kid is usually in the class picture when they talk about 09's. He is mentioned in PBR, was all-conference as a sophomore, and along with Zach MacMahon was one of two sophomore's named all area by the Pioneer Press. Yet, no invite to the Area Code games (he was at the Cangelosi camp and loved it. A lot of college coaches were there). Who does run them? If Woodly doesn't want to say publically, please pm me. But, why would the people behind any public and publisized event not want to have their name out there?
My son is well liked, but there are some that don't like me, partly from this board. Could I be keeping my kid back?
My son is well liked, but there are some that don't like me, partly from this board. Could I be keeping my kid back?
quote:Originally posted by bballdad1954:
My kid is usually in the class picture when they talk about 09's. He is mentioned in PBR, was all-conference as a sophomore, and along with Zach MacMahon was one of two sophomore's named all area by the Pioneer Press. Yet, no invite to the Area Code games (he was at the Cangelosi camp and loved it. A lot of college coaches were there). Who does run them? If Woodly doesn't want to say publically, please pm me. But, why would the people behind any public and publisized event not want to have their name out there?
My son is well liked, but there are some that don't like me, partly from this board. Could I be keeping my kid back?
I really don't know who is IN CHARGE of those organized "showcases"--- i have just heard that it is all part of 1 mans organization---so without knowing for sure--i do not want to reveal the name i am HEARING ALL THE TIME
quote:Originally posted by bballdad1954:
My son is well liked, but there are some that don't like me, partly from this board. Could I be keeping my kid back?
No. And he probably didn't get invited to the tryout on the 26th because he got missed, and not because someone thinks that he wasn't worthy to attend. I'm sure he'll get invited to the summer tryout.
"Miss Moneypenny,find Bond. We have to know who this man is."
"Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?"
Personally, I find it to be a good thing that kids have some choices in the off season, whether it be the Sox Silver & Black tryouts, Cangelosi camps or Prep Baseball showcases. If it gets them motivated to keep working out for an upcoming event, I fail to see the harm. No one is forced to go to any of these events and your baseball world won't come to an end if you miss one if not all of them but for those who want to attend and participate, its a great way to spend quality time during a lousy time of the year.
Regarding PBR and PG rankings, if you believe the author is Moses returning from Mt. Sinai with the definitive word, no doubt you'll find yourself getting upset with the result. If you realize that its a couple of human beings providing us with their estimate of talent during a snap shot in time, and, more importantly, a way to sell magazines, etc, you might actually sleep better at night (but maybe not).
Regarding PBR and PG rankings, if you believe the author is Moses returning from Mt. Sinai with the definitive word, no doubt you'll find yourself getting upset with the result. If you realize that its a couple of human beings providing us with their estimate of talent during a snap shot in time, and, more importantly, a way to sell magazines, etc, you might actually sleep better at night (but maybe not).
Thanks for your input igball. I would have no problem with rankings if PBR called it a ranking of only PBR showcase participants, but they sell it as "in the state".
Then, I see on the University of Iowa and University of Ilinois websites PBR rankings being quoted for their new recruits. I realize that the schools are just trying to build up their new players. I just hope they truthfully see the rankings as you do igball.
Then, I see on the University of Iowa and University of Ilinois websites PBR rankings being quoted for their new recruits. I realize that the schools are just trying to build up their new players. I just hope they truthfully see the rankings as you do igball.
Just for the record, my son has never been to a PBR event but is ranked highly on the website. No doubt they miss plenty of kids -- but they are doing at least some homework.