Ken- just talked to my son's coach. He said that you are with Mustangs and all the players on that list, that are Mustangs, were sent to the webmaster of Premier Baseball by either Cade Griffis or Sam Carpenter. And he said only the head of each of those organizations in Premier would of sent in those names.
quote:Originally posted by BJG:
Ken- just talked to my son's coach. He said that you are with Mustangs and all the players on that list, that are Mustangs, were sent to the webmaster of Premier Baseball by either Cade Griffis or Sam Carpenter. And he said only the head of each of those organizations in Premier would of sent in those names.
Maybe. Sounds logical.
Although, I still stand by my previous statement.
quote:OldSchool- I think you meant East Cobb Yankees - that's their "big boys."
JMart, The EC Yankees are always solid. However, the Astros usually have the better players. If you were to look, I'm sure the Astros have won more National Titles, in the ECB program history.
East Cobb Yankees
1999, 2001, 2003, 2005 & 2008 Connie Mack World Champions, 1994 Babe Ruth World Champions
Former Yankees who played in the Major Leagues (not just minors) or are still playing:
Kris Benson Baltimore Orioles
Marlon Byrd* Chicago Cubs
Brent Abernathy Kansas City Royals
Frank Lankford Dodgers, Yankees, Oakland A’s
Shane Monahan Seattle Mariners
Jeremy Hermida* San Diego Padres
Matt Capps* Minnesota Twins
Matt Murton* Hanshin Tigers (Japan)
Mark Watson Cleveland Indians, Seattle Mariners
Stephen Drew* Arizona Diamondbacks
Micah Owings* Arizona Diamondbacks
Brian Rogers Pittsburg Pirates
Brandon Boggs* Milwaukee Brewers
Mitchell Boggs* St. Louis Cardinals
Jimmy Barthmaier Washington
Dexter Fowler* Colorado Rockies
Tyler Greene* St. Louis Cardinals
Chris Nelson* Colorado Rockies
Gordon Beckham* Chicago White Sox
John Hester* Diamondbacks
Russ Mitchell* LA Dodgers
Blake Wood* Kansas City Royals
Brad Emaus New York Metts
Cedric Hunter San Diego Padres
Here is a list of Yankees that have gone in the 1st or 2nd round of the MLB Draft over the years.
Kris Benson Pittsburgh Pirates (1st Pick overall)
Rick Elder Baltimore Orioles
Richard Lewis Atlanta Braves
Mark Fischer Boston Redsox
Jeremy Hermida Florida Marlins
David Rhino New York Yankees
Matt Murton Boston Red Sox
Brent Abernathy Toronto Blue Jays (Round 2)
Shane Monahan Seattle Mariners (Round 2)
Micah Owings Colorado Rockies (Round 2)
Tyler Greene Atlanta Braves (Round 2)
Chris Nelson Colorado Rockies
Stephen Drew Arizona Diamondbacks
Todd Larocca Los Angeles Dodgers
Tom Hickman Florida Marlins (Round 2)
Dustin Evans Atlanta Braves (Round 2)
Nathan Vineyard New York Mets (Round 2)
Charlie Culberson San Fransisco Giants (1st Supplemental)
Danny Payne San Diego Padres (1st Supplemental)
Gordon Beckham Chicago White Sox
Kyle Heckathorn Milwaukee Brewers (1st Supplemental)
Jake Skole Texas (1st Round)
Don't know much about Astros, but outside of Little League World Series, Connie Mack is by far the toughest World Series to get to and win.
Astros could be the 10 time defending Tom Thumb National Champs, but who really cares.... Yankees are East Cobbs big boys... Astros could easily be the 2nd best group from there, I don't know....
OldSchool, is there a program you even know of in Texas that has had more players actually play in MLB?
1999, 2001, 2003, 2005 & 2008 Connie Mack World Champions, 1994 Babe Ruth World Champions
Former Yankees who played in the Major Leagues (not just minors) or are still playing:
Kris Benson Baltimore Orioles
Marlon Byrd* Chicago Cubs
Brent Abernathy Kansas City Royals
Frank Lankford Dodgers, Yankees, Oakland A’s
Shane Monahan Seattle Mariners
Jeremy Hermida* San Diego Padres
Matt Capps* Minnesota Twins
Matt Murton* Hanshin Tigers (Japan)
Mark Watson Cleveland Indians, Seattle Mariners
Stephen Drew* Arizona Diamondbacks
Micah Owings* Arizona Diamondbacks
Brian Rogers Pittsburg Pirates
Brandon Boggs* Milwaukee Brewers
Mitchell Boggs* St. Louis Cardinals
Jimmy Barthmaier Washington
Dexter Fowler* Colorado Rockies
Tyler Greene* St. Louis Cardinals
Chris Nelson* Colorado Rockies
Gordon Beckham* Chicago White Sox
John Hester* Diamondbacks
Russ Mitchell* LA Dodgers
Blake Wood* Kansas City Royals
Brad Emaus New York Metts
Cedric Hunter San Diego Padres
Here is a list of Yankees that have gone in the 1st or 2nd round of the MLB Draft over the years.
Kris Benson Pittsburgh Pirates (1st Pick overall)
Rick Elder Baltimore Orioles
Richard Lewis Atlanta Braves
Mark Fischer Boston Redsox
Jeremy Hermida Florida Marlins
David Rhino New York Yankees
Matt Murton Boston Red Sox
Brent Abernathy Toronto Blue Jays (Round 2)
Shane Monahan Seattle Mariners (Round 2)
Micah Owings Colorado Rockies (Round 2)
Tyler Greene Atlanta Braves (Round 2)
Chris Nelson Colorado Rockies
Stephen Drew Arizona Diamondbacks
Todd Larocca Los Angeles Dodgers
Tom Hickman Florida Marlins (Round 2)
Dustin Evans Atlanta Braves (Round 2)
Nathan Vineyard New York Mets (Round 2)
Charlie Culberson San Fransisco Giants (1st Supplemental)
Danny Payne San Diego Padres (1st Supplemental)
Gordon Beckham Chicago White Sox
Kyle Heckathorn Milwaukee Brewers (1st Supplemental)
Jake Skole Texas (1st Round)
Don't know much about Astros, but outside of Little League World Series, Connie Mack is by far the toughest World Series to get to and win.
Astros could be the 10 time defending Tom Thumb National Champs, but who really cares.... Yankees are East Cobbs big boys... Astros could easily be the 2nd best group from there, I don't know....
OldSchool, is there a program you even know of in Texas that has had more players actually play in MLB?
quote:OldSchool, is there a program you even know of in Texas that has had more players actually play in MLB?
The only one that I know of, that could come close to these numbers, is the DBAT Mustangs.
DBAT Mustangs have had 7 first round picks in the last 3 years. Don't know any of there previous years #'s as i just started following them a few years ago.
quote:DBAT Mustangs have had 7 first round picks in the last 3 years. Don't know any of there previous years #'s as i just started following them a few years ago.
From their website, they have had 16 1st rounders, and 5 2nd rounders, over the Mustang/DBAT program history. Almost identical to the total from the EC Yankees.
OldSchool - "almost identical?" Is that like being the "tallest midget?"
I wasnt trying to compare EC Yankees to DBAT baseball... I was comparing to EC Astros..... but, East Cobb has 5 CMWS titles just in last 13 seasons... DBAT....
I wasnt trying to compare EC Yankees to DBAT baseball... I was comparing to EC Astros..... but, East Cobb has 5 CMWS titles just in last 13 seasons... DBAT....
OldSchool - "almost identical?" Is that like being the "tallest midget?"
Really? You asked the question:
"OldSchool, is there a program you even know of in Texas that has had more players actually play in MLB?"
The numbers speak for themselves. 21 vs 22, either first or second rounders, from the programs.
Not sure how many Sam has won. I would figure at least one or two. It shows on the CMWS website, that Dallas has won it 6 times. I believe the 1990 Champion was the McKinney Mavericks, not sure about the others.
Really? You asked the question:
"OldSchool, is there a program you even know of in Texas that has had more players actually play in MLB?"
The numbers speak for themselves. 21 vs 22, either first or second rounders, from the programs.
Not sure how many Sam has won. I would figure at least one or two. It shows on the CMWS website, that Dallas has won it 6 times. I believe the 1990 Champion was the McKinney Mavericks, not sure about the others.
OldSchool- yes, I think you're right, Sam C has won three, DBAT zero.
I think Sam C won in like '90, '95, '96
The others from Dallas start back in like 60's pre-Mustangs...
I think Sam C won in like '90, '95, '96
The others from Dallas start back in like 60's pre-Mustangs...
KG got close in 2010
I'm not sure about the 90 season Champion. One of our coaches played on the team that won that one. He told me it was the Mavericks.
DBAT and the Mustangs, are now the same. So, to me it's not much different, then say, the EC Astros and the EC Yankees, combining their best players.
I'm not sure about the 90 season Champion. One of our coaches played on the team that won that one. He told me it was the Mavericks.
DBAT and the Mustangs, are now the same. So, to me it's not much different, then say, the EC Astros and the EC Yankees, combining their best players.
DALLAS MUSTANGS
Connie Mack National Champions 1990, 1995, 1996
Connie Mack National Runner-Up 1989, 1993, 1998
*off Sam C website
Connie Mack National Champions 1990, 1995, 1996
Connie Mack National Runner-Up 1989, 1993, 1998
*off Sam C website
quote:Originally posted by JMartin:
DALLAS MUSTANGS
Connie Mack National Champions 1990, 1995, 1996
Connie Mack National Runner-Up 1989, 1993, 1998
*off Sam C website
Looks like it hasn't been updated...CM Runner-Up in both 2009 and 2010 also.
Jamey,
Not bitter at all, you made your choice and did what you did and we made ours. It could not have worked out better for us. Despite all of your infinite baseball wisdom when he was at the age of 12 and telling him he will never make it as a catcher, the kid managed to do alright and made it as a catcher and has a scholarship to play college ball at a very good division II school. Never have given you in particular a second thought it was 5 years ago.
Just dont understand all your bush league banter when you seem to play in a lot of Premiere local tourneys. Why down it and the league just because the Gators group is not listed in it.
I just found your second comment to the guy that started this post to be snide and petty against a group of teams (Premiere)who you seem to like to schedule your organization to play. I simply called you out on it. Had nothing to do with bitterness. Just thought your comment was bush league.
As far as Esteban German, cant remeber what that Ranger player's name is that you use to talk about playing with the your Gators organization in the distant past, thought it was German guess I got the name wrong. Maybe it was Duran, I dont know.
Further, I simply stated that you arent doing anything different than the rest of these businesses. You all love to list all of the players that have played for your groups at one point and time so that those players can be listed as organizational success stories, even if the players only might have played a half season with them or one tourney. You and all of them all do it. It is one of those selling points that all the organizations like to tout.
As far as your costs go, I am sure your not doing your stuff for free and I imagine that your fees are not far off from some of these other groups. Not saying you are higher or the same or even less, but I doubt there is big difference. I really dont care what you charge, people are going to pay whatever they think it is worth to be with the organization they have chosen whether it be yours or someone within Premiere.
The list this guy threw up came right off the Premier website and I think there is no doubt a lot of good talent has played in the Premiere league and will continue to play in the Premiere league. Is it the only talent out there, I as well as you and the rest of these people on here know it is not. To be honest, I really did not even care just did not like your "so called comment" you threw out there so I said something.
Not bitter at all, you made your choice and did what you did and we made ours. It could not have worked out better for us. Despite all of your infinite baseball wisdom when he was at the age of 12 and telling him he will never make it as a catcher, the kid managed to do alright and made it as a catcher and has a scholarship to play college ball at a very good division II school. Never have given you in particular a second thought it was 5 years ago.
Just dont understand all your bush league banter when you seem to play in a lot of Premiere local tourneys. Why down it and the league just because the Gators group is not listed in it.
quote:LOL, not at all. We compete just fine against, "ALL" of the so called Premier teams.
I just found your second comment to the guy that started this post to be snide and petty against a group of teams (Premiere)who you seem to like to schedule your organization to play. I simply called you out on it. Had nothing to do with bitterness. Just thought your comment was bush league.
As far as Esteban German, cant remeber what that Ranger player's name is that you use to talk about playing with the your Gators organization in the distant past, thought it was German guess I got the name wrong. Maybe it was Duran, I dont know.
Further, I simply stated that you arent doing anything different than the rest of these businesses. You all love to list all of the players that have played for your groups at one point and time so that those players can be listed as organizational success stories, even if the players only might have played a half season with them or one tourney. You and all of them all do it. It is one of those selling points that all the organizations like to tout.
As far as your costs go, I am sure your not doing your stuff for free and I imagine that your fees are not far off from some of these other groups. Not saying you are higher or the same or even less, but I doubt there is big difference. I really dont care what you charge, people are going to pay whatever they think it is worth to be with the organization they have chosen whether it be yours or someone within Premiere.
The list this guy threw up came right off the Premier website and I think there is no doubt a lot of good talent has played in the Premiere league and will continue to play in the Premiere league. Is it the only talent out there, I as well as you and the rest of these people on here know it is not. To be honest, I really did not even care just did not like your "so called comment" you threw out there so I said something.
Just for the record...
East Cobb Yankees are very good nearly every year. High class program which has won the Connie Mack WS many times. In fact, between the Yankees and Midland they have won the CMWS 12 times over the past 15 years... East Cobb Yankees 5 times, Midland 7 times.
However, the entire scouting world knows that the East Cobb Yankees are not the best team in East Cobb. Yet year in and year out they are outstanding.
The East Cobb Astros are a 16U team, very often they have been the top 16U team in the country.
The East Cobb Braves are the top team in Georgia and among the top teams in the country every year. The majority of their players come from the Astros program.
The East Cobb Braves have had 9 1st round picks in the past 3 years. In comparison... The East Cobb Yankees have had 8 1st round picks over its long history which actually started over 30 years ago.
There are several top national level teams in Texas. I can think of at least two years when, IMO, DBat had the best pitching staff in the country. The Patriots had two of the top position players in last years draft. Houston Heat has a long track record as a top team producing early draft picks. Kyle Chapman also has a great track record. The Tigers have had a lot of past success. Of course there are many other highest level teams. And there are several first round picks from Texas that played for other teams.
All that said, IMO, the top two teams in Texas this past year were the Houston Banditos and the Texas Sun Devils. I am basing this on talent more than winning or losing, though all the best teams win a lot. So before debating this, lets wait until the draft takes place. I think combining the draft with college commitments is a fairly good way to judge the talent on summer teams in any given year.
I think Premier is an outstanding organization. I don't know all the teams and the over all quality on every team. I do know that there are some teams that are among the best summer teams in the country in any given year.
East Cobb Yankees are very good nearly every year. High class program which has won the Connie Mack WS many times. In fact, between the Yankees and Midland they have won the CMWS 12 times over the past 15 years... East Cobb Yankees 5 times, Midland 7 times.
However, the entire scouting world knows that the East Cobb Yankees are not the best team in East Cobb. Yet year in and year out they are outstanding.
The East Cobb Astros are a 16U team, very often they have been the top 16U team in the country.
The East Cobb Braves are the top team in Georgia and among the top teams in the country every year. The majority of their players come from the Astros program.
The East Cobb Braves have had 9 1st round picks in the past 3 years. In comparison... The East Cobb Yankees have had 8 1st round picks over its long history which actually started over 30 years ago.
There are several top national level teams in Texas. I can think of at least two years when, IMO, DBat had the best pitching staff in the country. The Patriots had two of the top position players in last years draft. Houston Heat has a long track record as a top team producing early draft picks. Kyle Chapman also has a great track record. The Tigers have had a lot of past success. Of course there are many other highest level teams. And there are several first round picks from Texas that played for other teams.
All that said, IMO, the top two teams in Texas this past year were the Houston Banditos and the Texas Sun Devils. I am basing this on talent more than winning or losing, though all the best teams win a lot. So before debating this, lets wait until the draft takes place. I think combining the draft with college commitments is a fairly good way to judge the talent on summer teams in any given year.
I think Premier is an outstanding organization. I don't know all the teams and the over all quality on every team. I do know that there are some teams that are among the best summer teams in the country in any given year.
quote:Not bitter at all, you made your choice and did what you did and we made ours. It could not have worked out better for us. Despite all of your infinite baseball wisdom when he was at the age of 12 and telling him he will never make it as a catcher, the kid managed to do alright and made it as a catcher and has a scholarship to play college ball at a very good division II school. Never have given you in particular a second thought it was 5 years ago.
Just dont understand all your bush league banter when you seem to play in a lot of Premiere local tourneys. Why down it and the league just because the Gators group is not listed in it.
quote:
LOL, not at all. We compete just fine against, "ALL" of the so called Premier teams.
I just found your second comment to the guy that started this post to be snide and petty against a group of teams (Premiere)who you seem to like to schedule your organization to play. I simply called you out on it. Had nothing to do with bitterness. Just thought your comment was bush league.
As far as Esteban German, cant remeber what that Ranger player's name is that you use to talk about playing with the your Gators organization in the distant past, thought it was German guess I got the name wrong. Maybe it was Duran, I dont know.
Further, I simply stated that you arent doing anything different than the rest of these businesses. You all love to list all of the players that have played for your groups at one point and time so that those players can be listed as organizational success stories, even if the players only might have played a half season with them or one tourney. You and all of them all do it. It is one of those selling points that all the organizations like to tout.
As far as your costs go, I am sure your not doing your stuff for free and I imagine that your fees are not far off from some of these other groups. Not saying you are higher or the same or even less, but I doubt there is big difference. I really dont care what you charge, people are going to pay whatever they think it is worth to be with the organization they have chosen whether it be yours or someone within Premiere.
The list this guy threw up came right off the Premier website and I think there is no doubt a lot of good talent has played in the Premiere league and will continue to play in the Premiere league. Is it the only talent out there, I as well as you and the rest of these people on here know it is not. To be honest, I really did not even care just did not like your "so called comment" you threw out there so I said something.
Bush league, huh? Once again, let me straighten out your facts. I never told your son at age 12, that he would not make it as a catcher. He was age 14, when I told John Davis that he should play on his AA team, instead of the AAA team. It was simple reasoning, I considered the other two catchers, better. In fact I still do
We have been scheduling our teams, against the teams that you reference, long before they felt the need to call themselves Premiere.
The player you tried to reference, is German Duran.
As I stated, we never list a guest player as an alum. Players listed, have played at least a full season, most many seasons, with our program. So no, we don't list any player that may have worn our uniform. If you think so, please point him out to me, so that I can respond.
Costs, our high school players, generally pay around $1200 for a Summer season. This is basically a 55-60 game schedule. We are a 501(c)(3) Corporation. So it is illegal for us, to stuff money in our pockets. I'm not absolutly sure what the Premiere teams charge. But, from what I have taken from feedback from this site, most are in the $1700-$2500 range. So your basically spending $2000-$5000 more for a high school career, playing for one of those teams. I might add, most play considerably less games than we do. Our Fall fee is around $450, for 25-30 games. Also, considerably less.
From Perfect Game:
All that said, IMO, the top two teams in Texas this past year were the Houston Banditos and the Texas Sun Devils.
Correct me if I'm wrong
Neither of these teams, feel the need to call themselves Premiere.
Here you go JMart. Looks like we were both wrong. One thing is for certain, there is a whole lot of talent that comes out of EC every year In fact, I was sitting in the bleachers in 2010 at Fort Myers for the BCS, when the 16U EC Astros beat the 17U Florida Bombers, for the 17U National Championship.
In fact, I was sitting in the bleachers in 2010 at Fort Myers for the BCS, when the 16U EC Astros beat the 17U Florida Bombers, for the 17U National Championship.quote:However, the entire scouting world knows that the East Cobb Yankees are not the best team in East Cobb. Yet year in and year out they are outstanding.
The East Cobb Astros are a 16U team, very often they have been the top 16U team in the country.
The East Cobb Braves are the top team in Georgia and among the top teams in the country every year. The majority of their players come from the Astros program.
The East Cobb Braves have had 9 1st round picks in the past 3 years. In comparison... The East Cobb Yankees have had 8 1st round picks over its long history which actually started over 30 years ago.
@PGStaff-Good insight.
Were you around when the Patterson brothers were coming through high school in Georgia? If so, do you know why they ended up in Midland?
Just curious.
Were you around when the Patterson brothers were coming through high school in Georgia? If so, do you know why they ended up in Midland?
Just curious.
I am not going to banter back and forth with you about what happened five years ago, there is no point and really does not matter. You were partially right he was not 12, he was 13 I mis- counted the years.
You called me out asking me if I am bitter towards you, and I believe I answered your question. You opinions on players are what they are and you are entitled to them as I am in entitled to mine. I am not bitter towards you and in the big scheme of things could careless about you.
I dont recall ever saying that your group charged more, just simply stated it is not a huge sum difference.
And your Alumni list is your list just like all these other guys have lists. You do the list for the same purpose as the rest of these groups do their lists.
As far as the Premiere thing which is what this topic was about, I think I have stated my point on that quite clear. Premiere is just a name, just like Select, Showcase, Great American or any other league name out there. I dont think it is any more than that.
"Your so called" comment was bush when referencing teams in the league that you seem to like to schedule to play. The competition must be good or your group wouldnt play them. I will, however, agree that not all the teams within the list of organizations associated with the Premiere League are stellar. The Premiere league is also not the only place to find Premiere talent there are teams all over the country with Premiere talent.
I think if you go back to the original post, the guy simply stated his opinion that the Premiere league is well ran with a lot of good organizations in it and that he had enjoyed his son being able to compete within the league. He also congratulated ABA for getting invited into the league.
It was simply nothing more than that and you took it to another place, albeit not all by yourself, but the guy understood your sarcasm in your original response.
The "so called comment" was what I was at issue with and the arrogance at which you flung it out there. Especially, since my kid has been apart of that league and I am glad he has had the opportunity to play for an organization who has pitted him against some top talent within the league and outside the league. He even enjoyed playing your team for which he still has several friends playing.
I will stipulate one thing, your costs are lower and I wish my payout would have been lower, but it is what it is.
I think I have said enough on this, because this thread has gotten way off topic. Good luck on your business and playing the "so called" Premiere teams.
You called me out asking me if I am bitter towards you, and I believe I answered your question. You opinions on players are what they are and you are entitled to them as I am in entitled to mine. I am not bitter towards you and in the big scheme of things could careless about you.
I dont recall ever saying that your group charged more, just simply stated it is not a huge sum difference.
And your Alumni list is your list just like all these other guys have lists. You do the list for the same purpose as the rest of these groups do their lists.
As far as the Premiere thing which is what this topic was about, I think I have stated my point on that quite clear. Premiere is just a name, just like Select, Showcase, Great American or any other league name out there. I dont think it is any more than that.
"Your so called" comment was bush when referencing teams in the league that you seem to like to schedule to play. The competition must be good or your group wouldnt play them. I will, however, agree that not all the teams within the list of organizations associated with the Premiere League are stellar. The Premiere league is also not the only place to find Premiere talent there are teams all over the country with Premiere talent.
I think if you go back to the original post, the guy simply stated his opinion that the Premiere league is well ran with a lot of good organizations in it and that he had enjoyed his son being able to compete within the league. He also congratulated ABA for getting invited into the league.
It was simply nothing more than that and you took it to another place, albeit not all by yourself, but the guy understood your sarcasm in your original response.
The "so called comment" was what I was at issue with and the arrogance at which you flung it out there. Especially, since my kid has been apart of that league and I am glad he has had the opportunity to play for an organization who has pitted him against some top talent within the league and outside the league. He even enjoyed playing your team for which he still has several friends playing.
I will stipulate one thing, your costs are lower and I wish my payout would have been lower, but it is what it is.
I think I have said enough on this, because this thread has gotten way off topic. Good luck on your business and playing the "so called" Premiere teams.
My kid played the EC Astros at a Premiere league tourney in Nebraska two years ago. I will agree that those kids were phenominal. Our group played them well, but still came up a couple of runs short.
EC Astros and our group were the only 16 year old teams in that 18 year old tourney. They fared better than we did and I think they finished third behind the a Blue Devils group from North Carolina and the Midwest Nationals top 18 year old team.
Saw a lot of good baseball that weekend. That EC team carried a lot of players. I know that they had at least 25 kids in there dugout and all of them looked really good, especially the nine they put out there against us.
EC Astros and our group were the only 16 year old teams in that 18 year old tourney. They fared better than we did and I think they finished third behind the a Blue Devils group from North Carolina and the Midwest Nationals top 18 year old team.
Saw a lot of good baseball that weekend. That EC team carried a lot of players. I know that they had at least 25 kids in there dugout and all of them looked really good, especially the nine they put out there against us.