Prep Baseball Report

Now this should be a very stimulating link...
My only problem with PBR the magazine is that due to staff size it only covers the north, north part of Illinois....It really isn't a True State of Illinois Baseball Magazine... but it is a START...
their showcases have been known to have some of the better players in the area----unfortunately again--the Northern only part of the state..
Have not been personally to any of events and do not know what type of recruiters or scouts attend..

You have a PM Bravescoach.

Woodly, got to disagree, the last edition does a great job of representing the state.

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Originally posted by J.Weaver #5:
You have a PM Bravescoach.

Back atcha J.

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Originally posted by Playball2:
Woodly, got to disagree, the last edition does a great job of representing the state.

The entire STATE OF ILLINOIS does go past I-80...Go through the entire list of players in the last edition and let me know how many players are SOUTH of I-80.
Then check to see how many players are listed that are from South of Champaign...to the Cairo line.

that is what i mean the entire state of Illinois and he is only 1 man...he depends on the high school coaches alot and sometimes that is a problem...Without other peoples help or a LARGER STAFF and PBR SHOWCASES being put on in ALL AREAS not just the NORTHERN PART of the state;; the PREP BASEBALL REPORT MAGAZINE WILL always shortchange some good talented kids...

SEAN DOES A GREAT JOB as i have said before but isn't there anyway PBR can get names and information on the top players throughout the State of Illinois

Woodly, thanks for the geography lesson, I have got too many other things to do than to count the players south of I-80, I trust that PBR has made an effort to cover the states most southern regions. Lastly, Not sure what your point is if you already acknowledge that athletes from the southern regions have received recognition. I do believe that those showcases are open to any and all participants no matter their geography.

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Originally posted by Playball2:
Woodly, thanks for the geography lesson, I have got too many other things to do than to count the players south of I-80, I trust that PBR has made an effort to cover the states most southern regions. Lastly, Not sure what your point is if you already acknowledge that athletes from the southern regions have received recognition. I do believe that those showcases are open to any and all participants no matter their geography.

You are the one who stated the magazine covered the State of Illinois well....so the geography lesson must be needed..I am sure you reside in the NW suburbs where the majority of the attention is given by PBR and the majority of their "showcases" are held...
My point is that if you are putting out a publication and are going to RANK kids on their abilities and pretend it is for the ENTIRE STATE OF ILLINOIS... then you need to evaluate the kids statewide...
Most of the athletes who received recognition(writeups) have participated in the PBR events..The name listings have come from other coaches from areas or some of PBR correspondents..
i hear the kids all the time in areas south of I-80 wonder why they can't get listed in this publication.....or how this kid who they played against is ranked #34 etc........
I have no response for them because I am not sure there is an answer to that other then
YOU MUST ATTEND AND PAY TO GO TO THEIR EVENTS IN ORDER TO GET IN THE BOOK AND GET FOLLOWED....
Is this the purpose of the magazine? Was this the original intention of the magazine? Publicize the kids that come to your event?
This is in no way criticizing PBR....and Sean Duncan...It is merely pointing out that if they are going to claim it is an ILLINOIS HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL PUBLICATION then improve their staff statewide and coverage statewide to see all of the players personally .... and stop the RANKING OF PLAYERS...
THERE ARE PLAYERS IN SPRINGFIELD ILLINOIS
AND THE CENTRAL PART OF THE STATE.. I am not a genius but when reading the magazine I realize it is not a statewide publication. Yes, I do subscribe to it...or have in the past.

Nice PG article linked here about the issues they face with their lists, and rankings. Some of these issues surely cross-over to other entities that run showcases, and list and rank kids. The kids that go, get on the lists and ranked, the one's that don't, don't. The rankings continually grow and change as new kids get evaluated, or as the kids that have already been evaluated progress or don't progress ... or don't continue to attend the showcases to be re-assessed. Interesting question, how much of the onus is on the kid to get to the ranking service, versus the ranking service to find the kid and get them to attend? It takes two to tango. It isn't perfect, but you probably knew that anyways.

Blowing Off Steam

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Originally posted by Tuzigoot:
Nice PG article linked here about the issues they face with their lists, and rankings. Some of these issues surely cross-over to other entities that run showcases, and list and rank kids. The kids that go, get on the lists and ranked, the one's that don't, don't. The rankings continually grow and change as new kids get evaluated, or as the kids that have already been evaluated progress or don't progress ... or don't continue to attend the showcases to be re-assessed. It isn't perfect, but and probably knew that anyways.

Excellent article which explains how PERFECT GAME DOES THINGS...but I am sure that PBR Sean Duncan does not evaluate the players....so who does evaluate and just who does the Rankings.????.
This information might just help sell some more subcriptons to the publication.. I know it will help me explain to kids when they ask me about it..

Blowing Off Steam

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how much of the onus is on the kid to get to the ranking service, versus the ranking service to find the kid and get them to attend?

what do you think wood?

That is a good article.

As a parent, I once voiced that one of my sons was unfairly rated at a showcase. I probably had good cause due to the circumstances to think so, but it really never mattered and either way no matter how good my son was or wasn't had nothing to do with how good another player was.

Rankings are...well....rankings. They serve whatever purpose to different people. To a player, it may be a source of pride, but does it help him on the field? To a parent it is much the same, but I would hope they would support their son no matter where (or whether) he is ranked.

To a coach trying to win a game or develope a player, it probably means nothing. To a recruiter or scout it may get some attention, but when they actually see the player, the ranking probably means a lot less than what they see with their own eyes. I would venture to guess it is far worse to be way overrated than to be a sleeper.

To a fan, it is fun.

Regardless, if you read too much into this as a player, parent, coach or scout you are probably making a mistake. Rankings serve a purpose, but I have a feeling that the people who think that they are an end-all aren't the ones who matter.

JMHO

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Originally posted by Tuzigoot:

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how much of the onus is on the kid to get to the ranking service, versus the ranking service to find the kid and get them to attend?

what do you think wood?

If we are talking about the kids responsibility to get to a 2nd year publications ranking service....i think it is none.........
the kids responsibility is to put himself in a situation to get seen and market himself someway to try and get in the right place at the right time..
My personal opinion the kids need to get to the schools personal camps prior to going to a PBR showcase to get into their magazine...
If a kid has 4 or 5 schools he would love to attend and play the game---he should get in their CAMPS and make sure the coaches at those schools see them...

Wood I think each player, with the assistance of his coach(s) and parents, should decide what is right for them. However if it is decided that a ranking service is one of the ways to go, then IMO it is your job to get to the ranking service. Not even the big boy has showcases within 3-5 hours of every player that would like to attend. It takes a commitment from the player's side.

The "SHOWCASES" are wearing themselves out..too many and the college coaches are worn out trying to get to all of the events.
You are right...it is the parents and kid who has to decide..I am just killing time right now but I still would like to know who RANKS the players for the PBR SHOWCASES..???? ANYONE OUT THERE know? names please and positions

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Originally posted by FastballDad:
That is a good article.

As a parent, I once voiced that one of my sons was unfairly rated at a showcase. I probably had good cause due to the circumstances to think so, but it really never mattered and either way no matter how good my son was or wasn't had nothing to do with how good another player was.

Rankings are...well....rankings. They serve whatever purpose to different people. To a player, it may be a source of pride, but does it help him on the field? To a parent it is much the same, but I would hope they would support their son no matter where (or whether) he is ranked.

To a coach trying to win a game or develope a player, it probably means nothing. To a recruiter or scout it may get some attention, but when they actually see the player, the ranking probably means a lot less than what they see with their own eyes. I would venture to guess it is far worse to be way overrated than to be a sleeper.

To a fan, it is fun.

Regardless, if you read too much into this as a player, parent, coach or scout you are probably making a mistake. Rankings serve a purpose, but I have a feeling that the people who think that they are an end-all aren't the ones who matter.

JMHO

great ending..."I have a feeling that the people who think that they are an end=all aren't the ones who matter....." good job!!!!

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I am just killing time right now but I still would like to know who RANKS the players for the PBR SHOWCASES..???? ANYONE OUT THERE know? names please and positions

Woodly...I was told that PBR is owned and operated by Full Package/Top Tier which would account for a number of things.

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Originally posted by woodly:

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Originally posted by Tuzigoot:

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how much of the onus is on the kid to get to the ranking service, versus the ranking service to find the kid and get them to attend?

what do you think wood?

If we are talking about the kids responsibility to get to a 2nd year publications ranking service....i think it is none.........
the kids responsibility is to put himself in a situation to get seen and market himself someway to try and get in the right place at the right time..
My personal opinion the kids need to get to the schools personal camps prior to going to a PBR showcase to get into their magazine...
If a kid has 4 or 5 schools he would love to attend and play the game---he should get in their CAMPS and make sure the coaches at those schools see them...

I agree completely. Most scouts will tell you that they pay little, or no, attention to 3rd party rankings for a whole host of reasons. Instead, and in my opinion, a prospect's money is much better spent on attending a specific school's camp and/or producing a personal video which can be sent to his school(s) of choice. In short, we need to educate these kids on how to market themselves and quit relying on (and paying for) others to do so. I, for one, am more than willing to do this free of charge for my players. Interesting enough, nowhere in any of these scouting services are grades emphasized which is something that I stress heavily. Without a solid GPA and ACT score, one's baseball "rank" means nothing nor does his pop-time, 60yd dash, or mph. Last I checked, they are still referred to as STUDENT ATHLETES.

If we are talking about the kids responsibility to get to a 2nd year publications ranking service....i think it is none.........
the kids responsibility is to put himself in a situation to get seen and market himself someway to try and get in the right place at the right time..[/quote]

Isn't this the same thing,for someone who has no intention of criticising the publication, it appears that you are being critical.

From PBR:I am certain you will not find a more comprehensive publication that exclusively covers Illinois high school baseball. Illinois has an overwhelming amount of talented players and teams. It is my job to promote the players, events, happenings, and teams.

I believe he has stood behind his words.

Woodly states:
You are the one who stated the magazine covered the State of Illinois well.

Woodly, got to disagree, the last edition does a great job of representing the state.

Not even close

We still don't have the answer from anyone so I cannot pass it on to the kids who ask me... I am again not being critical of PBR regardless of how you take it...It is a 2nd year publication with a limited staff that does a good job in the Northern Part of the entire state of Illinois--I wish someone would start one for Central Illinois and Southern Illinois so we could get a real good picture of the top players in Illinois..and read about the good teams and games in Illinois... Big job and Duncan does a good job in the North..just need it to cover the rest of the state...

who evaluates the players and ranks the players that PBR lists? Names and positions please