Pros and cons of Old School

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the coach is in charge not the players or parents

Now that is old school. Good luck with that one.

WILL

with my travel team it works

High School could be a little different. I recently talked to one of the few old school guys I know still coaching He loves coaching the kids getting them ready for the game but dealing with some of the parents and he emphasized some is wearing him down.

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Originally posted by Will:
High School could be a little different. I recently talked to one of the few old school guys I know still coaching He loves coaching the kids getting them ready for the game but dealing with some of the parents and he emphasized some is wearing him down.

Hmmm .. I don't know of any HS Coaches that deal with parents unless he doesn't have control of his program. Certainly, ours never did and he made that point very clear via a letter home to prospective baseball parents AND again he hammered that subject at the pre-tryout parent meetings.

What questions can there be? Really, the only subjects pertinent would be about who made the team and then later on, playing time. Both of those subjects are totally under the control of the Coach and his staff and he is answerable on those subjects only to the athletes and perhaps the AD.

Mom and Dad don't have nor should they have any say. If properly administered, all the typical things that may pop up have been addressed before Junior attends the tryout.

Old School: Getting up in the morning and banging on the neighbors doors and put together a pick up game at the park.

New School: Asking your mommy to set up a play date.

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Originally posted by Prime9:
Hmmm .. I don't know of any HS Coaches that deal with parents unless he doesn't have control of his program. Certainly, ours never did and he made that point very clear via a letter home to prospective baseball parents AND again he hammered that subject at the pre-tryout parent meetings.

What questions can there be? Really, the only subjects pertinent would be about who made the team and then later on, playing time. Both of those subjects are totally under the control of the Coach and his staff and he is answerable on those subjects only to the athletes and perhaps the AD.

Mom and Dad don't have nor should they have any say. If properly administered, all the typical things that may pop up have been addressed before Junior attends the tryout.

This comment right on.

I'm not into an old school-new school debate. Its the same game as it always has been been and there are no shortcuts to success. Hardwork, discipline and good, fundamental execution was old school, is new school and will always be the way to play this game.

Right on Pluto! - That old school/new school hooey is just self serving, has been, mumbo jumbo. "Well, Junior...when I was kid...." Please!! Forty years ago a previous generation of self serving relics were saying the same thing to all of us kids. Good baseball is good baseball. Some players get it and some don't. Its been that way for only about 100 years.

Old School - "In my day....."
New School - "Smile...this is a game"

New School; everyone gets a trophy

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I don't know of any HS Coaches that deal with parents unless he doesn't have control of his program.

Well I do. having control of your program is writing out the lineup card everyday and to have to be constantly harassed by a parent becaause his kid is not on it .

Haha Warningtrack - I'm still coaching little kids and what you and I think is new school is actually old school already!

Old School - Everyone gets a trophy
New School - "Trophies are dumb, coach"

I will pose a question. Is there a new school because it is better than the old school or because some kids of today can not respond to the old school

Old school; Coon skin cap

New school; Mens hair club

From what little I've seen of facebook (I don't do facebook), most parents don't care, or have any control over, what their kids write.

Here's a new school question for coaches:

Are you facebook friends with your players? Do you read their walls? Do you ever suggest something is not appropriate for one of your players to be posting in the internet?

I monitor facebook ---before the season starts we alert the boysas to how colleges follow facebook pages

we use our team facebook page for updates when we are at tournaments

old school; is playing all day on the sandlot you made the rules picked the teams and settled disputes

new school ;rules for who can play rules for what equipment you can use how many pitches you can throw what kind of bat you can use etc etc etc

Make sure you follow twitter too!!

I know one collegiate program that just suspended two starters because they attacked teammates on Facebook. Being "Old School" I never worried about that. I guess you have to be a tech guy now. I don't have Facebook, ... or even a cell phone. However, today, I'm getting a phone. We've been told that in order to coach now, we have to have the cell phone. I was the only holdout.

Coach Butler, make sure parents get your new number, too.

I don't think that it's a coaches business to monitor their FB page or twitter. But that is just my opinion.

This might be something the coach can discuss with them along with the parents at a first meeting.

And for heaven's sake, if you do, teach them to set their settings so that only trusted family and friends can read their stuff. Most people don't know how to do that.

a star football player from one of the top hs programs just got kicked out of school and also lost his scholarship to MICHIGAN-- but think about this---he cannot even think of another college because the boy wont graduate and this is all because of things he posted on facebook

TPM, I live two miles from Villanova. They now require student-athletes to grant full permission to a paid company that scours facebook and twitter, and whatever else, for 'conduct unbecoming'. The kids aren't thrilled about it, but if they don't sign it, they don't play. There are a few other colleges that do the same thing.

Seeing how trends trickle down, it's probably a matter of time before it catches on in high school. I'm not saying I agree with the idea. I'm still creeped out by the district next to me that was turning on webcams in kids' bedrooms.

Just wait til they put cameras in our cable boxes...

TRHit, I think you are smart to advise your players that what they say can come back to haunt them.

My rule is 'if you won't say it in front of a priest or a nun, don't say it on the internet.'

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Originally posted by AntzDad:
TPM, I live two miles from Villanova. They now require student-athletes to grant full permission to a paid company that scours facebook and twitter, and whatever else, for 'conduct unbecoming'. The kids aren't thrilled about it, but if they don't sign it, they don't play. There are a few other colleges that do the same thing.

Seeing how trends trickle down, it's probably a matter of time before it catches on in high school. I'm not saying I agree with the idea. I'm still creeped out by the district next to me that was turning on webcams in kids' bedrooms.

Just wait til they put cameras in our cable boxes...

All I said was that I thought that it was not a coaches job to monitor someone's FB page, that is my opinion, and as a parent, that is MY responsibility to teach my children that what you can say or do can come back to haunt you. That's why I suggested that at a meeting it be brought up WITH parents and players. I never said that a coach shouldn't make that suggestion.

If you read the tweets by the player that TR mentioned, most likely he did deserve to be kicked off the team, and had been warned to not repeat things that were stated in teh past. This is just a matter of someone doing what he wanted, which probably was because he was allowed to all of his life. I am confidant in saying that knowing my kids, how they were brought up, they would NEVER make statements such as he did. If they did use this kind of media to attack groups, then they are not mature enough to handle what's in front of them in the future.

JMO.

I personally know of colleges who check the social network pages of applicants during theadmissions process

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Originally posted by TPM:

All I said was that I thought that it was not a coaches job to monitor someone's FB page, that is my opinion, and as a parent, that is MY responsibility to teach my children that what you can say or do can come back to haunt you.
JMO.

Oh, sure. I agree. But, Villanova has taken it out of the coaches' hands and now someone who doesn't even know your kid is deciding what he can or cannot say. It's a slippery slope. Still, kids have to be aware that 'reasonable' adults are reading what they post.

folks I HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT IT---if they play for my program they represent my program--no different than when they wear our shirt and hat---they wear ir properly and with respect or they do not wear it at all

When I coached a softball showcase team we warned the players about keeping Facebook clean. One didn't listen. Teams backed away from her after seeing the party pictures.

My son's high school baseball coach taught them what to say in post game interviews so nothing could be taken out of context that would be in the paper. Every kid said the same thing. There was a hitting star and pitching star package of words.

I agree. A 2012 coach's keeping an eye on social media is no different than my coaches' saying 'don't wind up on the news this weekend'.

old school watch what you say you never know who is listening but you can always deny you said it

new school if it is in writing somewhere you did it

AntzDad, I live in a small community. They all know my home phone number and where I live. In fact, I give parents all of that information during our parent's meeting. I also include a set of guidelines for talking to me. For example, I'll talk to you all day long but I'm not talking to you about another player.

Now, I'll have to decide about a ringtone, how to create a contact list, and how to carry the phone on me. This is some major decision making.

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Originally posted by AntzDad:

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Originally posted by TPM:

All I said was that I thought that it was not a coaches job to monitor someone's FB page, that is my opinion, and as a parent, that is MY responsibility to teach my children that what you can say or do can come back to haunt you.
JMO.

Oh, sure. I agree. But, Villanova has taken it out of the coaches' hands and now someone who doesn't even know your kid is deciding what he can or cannot say. It's a slippery slope. Still, kids have to be aware that 'reasonable' adults are reading what they post.

Agreed, they have to be made aware, that's ok, if they have to be babysat, they don't belong there in the first place.

JMO.

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Originally posted by Will:
old school watch what you say you never know who is listening but you can always deny you said it

new school if it is in writing somewhere you did it

Will, that is a grat point. One of the pieces of advice that I give to new coaches is to do their business with parents face to face. Emails, texts, ... can be cut and pasted, reworded, etc. to make a coach look bad. Besides, being old school, that is how I prefer to do my business anyway.

How can a school check a facebook page of a potential athlete if they have it set to private? Only the people they are friends with are able to see their profiles?

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Originally posted by coach2709:
How can a school check a facebook page of a potential athlete if they have it set to private? Only the people they are friends with are able to see their profiles?

That was my point. I suggested that perhaps it's just as wise to teach them privacy, but like I said most do not know how to do that!

there are ways of circumventing the privacy settings---trust me---I have done it

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Originally posted by TRhit:
there are ways of circumventing the privacy settings---trust me---I have done it

Really, do tell!

If a coach has to go about circumventing the privacy settings to get info, I am not sure that I would want my son to have much to do with that coach. JMO.

BTW, I am not your friend on FB, but I can access all of your info, not sure if that is what your intentions are (for the world to see).

Cute dog by the way. Can you see my point?

If you are so concerned and need to monitor, teach your players to set their privacy settings correctly.

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One of the pieces of advice that I give to new coaches is to do their business with parents face to face.

Do people still accept face to face as an acceptable form of communication?

Old school tell me to my face
New school e mail text twitter facebook yada yada yada

Hot dogs at a ballgame:
Old School - Pick out of the water, onto a bun and slathered with mustard from a stick.
New School - pre-wrapped in foil and a mustard packet