Batter hits infield ground ball which hits runner going from 2nd to 3rd. Interference on runner, and he is called out.
Batter gets awarded 1B, but what is the official AB scored as?
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quote:Originally posted by Out in the sticks:
Batter hits infield ground ball which hits runner going from 2nd to 3rd. Interference on runner, and he is called out.
Batter gets awarded 1B, but what is the official AB scored as?
Your question would be better asked in the Statistics & Scorekeeping forum. Once the umpire makes the call, he has nothing to say about whether its an “OFFICIAL” AB, nor does he care.
However, here’s how the scorer is supposed to mark the AB.
OBR – 10.02(a) The following records for each batter and runner:
(1) Number of times batted, except that no time at bat shall be charged when a player
(i) hits a sacrifice bunt or sacrifice fly;
(ii) is awarded first base on four called balls;
(iii) is hit by a pitched ball; or
(iv) is awarded first base because of interference or obstruction;
It would be treated just a CI, where he would reach first on interference.
quote:Originally posted by Stats4Gnats:quote:Originally posted by Out in the sticks:
Batter hits infield ground ball which hits runner going from 2nd to 3rd. Interference on runner, and he is called out.
Batter gets awarded 1B, but what is the official AB scored as?
Your question would be better asked in the Statistics & Scorekeeping forum. Once the umpire makes the call, he has nothing to say about whether its an “OFFICIAL” AB, nor does he care.
However, here’s how the scorer is supposed to mark the AB.
OBR – 10.02(a) The following records for each batter and runner:
(1) Number of times batted, except that no time at bat shall be charged when a player
(i) hits a sacrifice bunt or sacrifice fly;
(ii) is awarded first base on four called balls;
(iii) is hit by a pitched ball; or
(iv) is awarded first base because of interference or obstruction;
It would be treated just a CI, where he would reach first on interference.
Wrong rule. See 10.05(a)(5) for OBR.
The batter is credited with a single (all codes).
quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
Wrong rule. See 10.05(a)(5) for OBR.
The batter is credited with a single (all codes).
Well, I’d beg to differ. In order to score a hit, the base couldn’t have been awarded because of interference or obstruction.
quote:Originally posted by Stats4Gnats:quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
Wrong rule. See 10.05(a)(5) for OBR.
The batter is credited with a single (all codes).
Well, I’d beg to differ. In order to score a hit, the base couldn’t have been awarded because of interference or obstruction.
If you beg to differ, then you will unfortunately be wrong....
10.05 a: The official scorer shall credit a batter with a base hit when:
(5)a fair ball that has not been touched by a fielder touches a runner or an umpire, unless a runner is called out for have been touched by an infield fly in which the official scorer shall not score a hit.
Although it is true that we may not concern ourselves much with Rule 10 as it has little to do with the game operation, but it does not mean we dont know it...and as Dash so rightly states.....All codes agree...
quote:Originally posted by Stats4Gnats:quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
Wrong rule. See 10.05(a)(5) for OBR.
The batter is credited with a single (all codes).
Well, I’d beg to differ. In order to score a hit, the base couldn’t have been awarded because of interference or obstruction.
I believe that is when the batter is interfered with or obstructed.
What is this Rule 10 you all keep quoting? 
quote:Originally posted by Welpe:
What is this Rule 10 you all keep quoting?
Welpe....its that Chapter after Chapter 9....you know, the one in your rule book past the dog eared, marked up pages where the spine isnt broken open yet......
Stats - I have to go with the umpires on this one. It's a hit.
I posted several times in the distant past when Red Sox players were told on the last day of his famous .406 season, if they were on first base and Ted Williams hit a ground ball they were 'supposed' to accidently let it hit them so Ted could keep his .400 average.
It was a mute point in the end, but the rule reference Piaa_ump calls out is correct. Ted entered the day at .3996 but went something like 4-6 to bring his average up to .406.
For the record if baseball players weren't Marine pilots who fought in multiple wars (WWII and Korea), Ted might've made the whole Barry Bonds discussion mute. If he played for the Tigers (short porch) it still might be mute even with the seasons he lost.
Why doesn't he get a * ?
I posted several times in the distant past when Red Sox players were told on the last day of his famous .406 season, if they were on first base and Ted Williams hit a ground ball they were 'supposed' to accidently let it hit them so Ted could keep his .400 average.
It was a mute point in the end, but the rule reference Piaa_ump calls out is correct. Ted entered the day at .3996 but went something like 4-6 to bring his average up to .406.
For the record if baseball players weren't Marine pilots who fought in multiple wars (WWII and Korea), Ted might've made the whole Barry Bonds discussion mute. If he played for the Tigers (short porch) it still might be mute even with the seasons he lost.
Why doesn't he get a * ?
quote:Originally posted by JMoff:
Stats - I have to go with the umpires on this one. It's a hit.
I posted several times in the distant past when Red Sox players were told on the last day of his famous .406 season, if they were on first base and Ted Williams hit a ground ball they were 'supposed' to accidently let it hit them so Ted could keep his .400 average.
It was a mute point in the end, but the rule reference Piaa_ump calls out is correct. Ted entered the day at .3996 but went something like 4-6 to bring his average up to .406.
For the record if baseball players weren't Marine pilots who fought in multiple wars (WWII and Korea), Ted might've made the whole Barry Bonds discussion mute. If he played for the Tigers (short porch) it still might be mute even with the seasons he lost.
Why doesn't he get a * ?
I thought he was just over .400 and they wanted to sit him out on the last day of the season to guarantee the history. Ted would have nothing of it, however, and went 6 for 8 (it was a DH). I never heard of the getting hit by the ball strategy but it makes perfect sense to me.
According to Wikipedia, who I just checked because I don't trust my memory, he was hitting .39955 which rounded to .400 per the record books. I guess my memory wasn't that bad.
The Red Sox asked if he wanted to sit out since he was technically a .400 hitter.
Another interesting tid bit (thanks to Wikipedia), there was no such thing as a sacrifice fly in 1941. Had there been, he would've hit .416
The story about 'accidently' getting hit by the ball was something I heard in an interview years ago from one of the old timers on the 1941 team. I think it was Johnny Pesky, but I wouldn't swear to it (memory again).
Williams slash line in '41 was .406/.553/.735 so OPS was 1.287 (rounding).
Very interesting reading:
Ted Williams
The Red Sox asked if he wanted to sit out since he was technically a .400 hitter.
Another interesting tid bit (thanks to Wikipedia), there was no such thing as a sacrifice fly in 1941. Had there been, he would've hit .416
The story about 'accidently' getting hit by the ball was something I heard in an interview years ago from one of the old timers on the 1941 team. I think it was Johnny Pesky, but I wouldn't swear to it (memory again).
Williams slash line in '41 was .406/.553/.735 so OPS was 1.287 (rounding).
Very interesting reading:
Ted Williams
I've got Teds book right here on my desk, it's nearly as warn as my rule books, wish I'd a been around to see his hey days..
I saw him on an interview in his later years, the interviewer asked him: "Ted do you think with the improvements in training, the specialized pitching, the closers, do you think you could put up the same type numbers against today's pitching?"
Ted, mulls it over a second: "Sure I could, but ya gotta remember, I'm 70 what ever years old now."
I saw him on an interview in his later years, the interviewer asked him: "Ted do you think with the improvements in training, the specialized pitching, the closers, do you think you could put up the same type numbers against today's pitching?"
Ted, mulls it over a second: "Sure I could, but ya gotta remember, I'm 70 what ever years old now."
quote:I saw him on an interview in his later years, the interviewer asked him: "Ted do you think with the improvements in training, the specialized pitching, the closers, do you think you could put up the same type numbers against today's pitching?"
Ted, mulls it over a second: "Sure I could, but ya gotta remember, I'm 70 what ever years old now."
and THAT Ladies and Gentlemen was Ted Williams at his best. Confidence which would be arrogance if he didn't back it up.