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I know this is a High School Site, but I guess this could happen in HS as well.

Our 9 yr old team had a 8 o'clock game the other night and while we were waiting for it to start we were watching a 10 yr old game.

In that game there was a runner on second and there was a right handed pitcher on the mound. He pitched to the next batter as a right hander in the stretch typically would with his right foot on the rubber. After the next pitch the runner remains on second. The pitcher receives the ball back from the catcher and returns to the mound.

This is where it gets interesting.

He then sets up on the mound as a left handed pitcher, with his left foot on the rubber, but ball in right hand and glove in left hand. He comes set in the stretch (and at that point looks like a left handed pitcher), and the other coach, team or runner never picks up on this change. As the runner on second takes his lead, the pitcher simply steps toward second base like he is pitching to it and the runner is picked off easily.

This was a close game to begin with and needless to say there was quite a discussion that came about after this play. It was two young umpires and they did not know how to rule, but finally decided the runner was out. My assistant coach asked me and I had no idea because I had never heard of this before.
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And it prompts the quesiton - "why couldn't this coach spend the time wasted on teaching this move doing more groundballs, BP, pitching mechanics or any other part of the game that will help this kid?"

I believe that overall most youth league coaches have the best intentions in trying to teach the game but guys like this are what give youth leagues a black eye.
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Originally posted by coach2709:
And it prompts the quesiton - "why couldn't this coach spend the time wasted on teaching this move doing more groundballs, BP, pitching mechanics or any other part of the game that will help this kid?"

I believe that overall most youth league coaches have the best intentions in trying to teach the game but guys like this are what give youth leagues a black eye.



agreed........this is a balk, award the runner third......and I might just have the ejection talk with the coach for teaching this garbage...
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Just out of curiosity, what if the pitcher was not touching the rubber when he "came set" and the runner/coaches never picked up on it? He still makes the same move to 2nd with just a routine throw, so obvioulsy this would still be intending to decieve the runner but if the pitcher never touches the rubber is it technically illegal?

Not saying that I agree with the move, my curiousity just got the best of me.
I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but it is illegal for a pitcher to come set, while on the mound, without having his glove-side foot in contact with the runner. Just like it is illegal for a pitcher to come set, step off the back of the rubber, and still have his hands in the set position. They must break the hands when they step off.
To clarify-

A pitcher cannot come set with runners on base if his pivot foot (pitching arm side) is not touching the plate. I find it interesting that at the professional level that the balk rules are pretty leniant- they usually only check a few things unlike HS rules where it is way more complex. I would presume this is because crazy coaches are always trying some hairbrained scheme to trick the runner. Its funny because at almost every little league game I go to after every pitch I hear someone ask "was that a balk?...I think that was a balk". The balk rule is actually quite informative and yet simply understood. Its when crazy coaches try hairbrained stunts that the interpretation of the rules comes into question. It is always easily resolved though if you explain exactly why it is a balk, not why you may "think" it is a balk.

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