Radar Guns

stalker gun

Stay away from the bushnell, it does not pick up unless you are right behind the plate.

Jugs or stalker are used by most college/Pro scouts. I have found they are pretty close to each other, stalker is the best because it has the most range but it cost the most.

CV

I have a Jugs gun I will be selling on EBAY.

I use nothing but the Stalker

Go to the "Find" function on this board and look up "Stalker" or "Jugs." Both brands are fine. Stalker is considered the Gold Standard for measuring speed. Both have far more range than you need at the HS or college level for gunning pitchers.

I've posted about cheapie SpeedChek type devices (40 foot range) which have merit for self-training.

Nothing but stalker.

MARCO - May i ask how much ?

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I use nothing but the Stalker

What do you use it for?

Teach, I really admire what you seem to be doing to help your son ,and possibly others who want to improve hitting, and throwing a baseball. You have obviously put a great deal of time ,and effort into studying & learning everything you can to that end. Why must you spoil our image of a very helpful father with these condesending posts?

marco.....Can you let me know when you will be putting this on ebay or if you would sell it prior? IF so, what are you asking and how old is it?

Thanks

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Why must you spoil our image of a very helpful father with these condesending posts?

Because he's a desciple of the most rude and ruthless Guru of them all!

SoutherNo1,

I was going to sell if for $400

The Stalker guns have been made for years under the same model designations: Sport (currently $900 new with rechargeable battery handle) and Professional (currently $1,550 new). But those models have evolved. Current models are better than older ones.

BTW, The pricey Stalker Pro is rarely seen. It offers greater range, and RF interference protection when used among many other guns in a pro scouting environment.

Remember that the expensive batteries have a finite life...about 300 chargings for a Stalker. $100 to replace. (if the Stalker comes with 5 or 6 battery handles, you know the gun came from a scout LOL)

If you can find a one or two-owner Jugs for $400, that would be good. It should be easy to find a parent with one to sell. Watch out for guns coming from teams or traveling scouts.

The Stalker needs to retuned every 2 years or so--fortunately the State Troopers in my state use them so I have mine tuned by the gentleman that takes care of the Troopers

Also on the batteries they do charge as often as people think-- they tend to die ahead of time if not allowed to run down completely and then recharge

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Originally posted by Marco Scutaro:

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Why must you spoil our image of a very helpful father with these condesending posts?

Because he's a desciple of the most rude and ruthless Guru of them all!

Because doesn't fit. I was this way before I met him.

In fact, an employee of mine is the same way. The joke around my business is "he and I are not allowed to be there at the same time".

By eliminating political correctness I can usually say in 10 words or less what others take 10 paragraphs to say.

Deal with it.

Teacherman,

It's not the quantity but the quality of the content. I have seen a lot quantity, yet, very little quantity in terms of success!

Just a lot of hot air from your mentor!

If you would interpret your post I'd be happy to respond.

Marco

Under ten words please

TR, the new Stalkers come with a tuning fork. I believe it is 55mph. Bang the fork, hold it in front of the gun, if it reads the same as the tuning fork says it should, then it doesn't need tuning. I don't trust those darn troopers. You know what they say, GIGO= Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Big

It is isnt the troopers checking the gun it is a Stalker Tech--thus I know the gun is reading correctly

BigHit,
Being a dad of course I'd hit the tuning fork and if it read 75 then I'd know it was just about right.

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"Also on the batteries they do charge as often as people think-- they tend to die ahead of time if not allowed to run down completely and then recharge"

Yeah, that is a pain with the Stalker Sport. After the gun is used, they suggest that you fully discharge it (by leaving it on continuous transmit) before you start the charging procedure. The whole discharge/charge cycle can take 10 hours. The $1550 Stalker Pro uses a type of battery that doesn't require full discharging. Pro scouts tend to have several battery handles in any event.

Stalkers now come with a tuning fork that will read 65.3 mph and they also have an internal test that should read 80 mph. If those don't read correctly, the gun should be returned to the factory. There is no owner-accessible speed adjustment.

The manual says nothing about routinely returning the gun to the factory. But not many dads are going to be testifying in court about gun readings

Featureman:

By eliminating political correctness you can usually say in 10 words or less what others take 10 paragraphs to say?

If you read more and typed, less you’d learn that there is often a lot more in those 10 paragraphs than just political correctness.

“Leadership must be demonstrated, not announced”.- Fran Tarkenton

“Good coaching is about leadership and instilling respect in your players. Dictators lead through fear--good coaches do not."-John Wooden

Hope this helps,

THop

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Originally posted by THop:
... Dictators lead through fear--good coaches do not."-John Wooden...

Why don't you refer this line to Mr. Byrd who eliminates discussion and learning by banning dissenting voices on that grade school site you and he are involved in.

Maybe, just maybe, if learned opinions were not censored, maybe, the site would graduate to at least the jr. high level.

You offer a decent site for tball and coach pitch levels though. Keep it up. Those coaches who have never played need help. And, they usually go for anything.

Stalker's are the way to go. Seems as though scouts only use stalkers. Jugs guns seem to read about 2-3 miles per hour faster. Difference of reading out of the hand as opposed to the plate, at least that is what I have been told.

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Stalker's are the way to go. Seems as though scouts only use stalkers. Jugs guns seem to read about 2-3 miles per hour faster. Difference of reading out of the hand as opposed to the plate, at least that is what I have been told.

Jeesh, that same "lore" comes up here every few months. Both guns have range sufficient to pick up a ball immediately after thrown. Sampling rates are sufficient too.

I've seen a Jugs and Stalker used side by side and didn't notice any difference overall. Other posters who have hands-on experience with both guns report little or no difference with current models.

Maybe we need to call "Mythbusters" to test this

Also I see plenty of college scouts using Jugs.

the stalker gun will cost you about $100 more than a Jugs gun, almost all mlb scouts use stalker guns and alot of college coaches too. A number of college coaches use jugs guns.

At a recent showcase, we had 3 jugs guns side by side next to 3 stalker guns. or 6 guns on the same pitcher.


The pitcher was a consistent 82 mph on the stalker gun, Stalker guns were about about the same always.

Jugs guns was anywhere from 77-82 mph on the same pitch which was 82 mph on the stalker guns.


Spaceballs:
may the shawtz be with you

Dibble,

Read the first line on your last post ???

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the stalker gun will cost you about $100 more than a stalker gun

Dibble: "3 stalkers, 3 Jugs side by side"

That would be interesting info except that many of your posts have been lacking in verisimilitude. (look it up, kids)

The Jugs gun that I'm selling has a 100 mph tunning fork that always reads exactly 100 mph when tuned to the radar

verisimilitude \ver-uh-suh-MIL-uh-tood; -tyood\, noun: 1. The appearance of
truth; the quality of seeming to be true

another showcase I had saw a pitcher throw 86-87 mph on ten stalker radar guns. The showcase operators was using jugs gun recorded and posted 91 mph on their web site. After much complaints from MLB scouts they were exaggerating their MPH times, the showcase now uses stalker guns and stalker guns only.

I have yet to see a Jugs gun read the same as a Stalker. The Jugs will give a higher reading. Usually 2-3 mph. If some of you have seen them read the same thats fine. I just have never seen it.

I have a Stalker Sport that has worked very well for me. I saw far more of those than any other gun last summer on the showcase/tournament circuit.

BTW - can I use that 100 MPH tuning fork on other peoples guns? Perhaps sit in front of the scouts and wave it around at the right moment?

Is it possible that the Jugs guns are more accurate?

Here is why I ask. I recently received a flyer from Stalker about the new Stalker Sport 2 gun. In the flyer is states and I quote "Improved (higher) release speed measurement".

Now, if I read that correctly, it sounds like Stalker is saying that their guns read slower than they should and they are trying to read higher like a Jugs gun.

Any thoughts on this?

Not sure its about accuracy.

Its really mostly about what is the standard. If professional clubs used Jugs, the Jugs reading would be the standard. Right now, the Stalker is the standard.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Not sure its about accuracy.

Its really mostly about what is the standard. If professional clubs used Jugs, the Jugs reading would be the standard. Right now, the Stalker is the standard.

I agree that Stalker has been the standard, but if they are the standard why change it to seemingly match Jugs with a higher release speed measurement?

To me it kind of sends a mixed signal.

It's not really about JUGS vs. Stalker. It's about the pro scouts agreeing on a standard and that standard is Stalker. If one pro scout compares his numbers against another pro scout, they are comparing apples to apples