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This was weird:

18U summer league game today.  No outs, runner on 2b.  Batter hits a ball at F3 who fields it cleanly on short hop (IMO) and as he takes a step toward the bag, BU signals "out!"

Runner on 2nd has broken toward 3rd; F3 throws to second and when SS takes the throw on the bag, BU signals another out.  

Runner is standing on 3rd and 3b coach asks for time and goes on to the field to address BU. BU agrees to consult PU, and after a quick discussion,  PU signals safe and says "no catch".  He tells the runner to stay at 3rd.  He tells the  BR, who is standing on 1B that  he's out so he should vacate the base. Offensive coach talks to PU again, presumably pointing out that F3 never completed the out at first, and after a few minutes discussion PU signals that BR is safe.  Defensive coach runs onto the field pretty worked up and starts jawing with BU, who consults with PU at length.  At that point, they direct BR to get back in the box, send the runner on 3b back to 2b and say let's do it again!  (FWIW he makes an out)

PU was kind of chatty and next time he's by the stands drinking water a couple of us parents from the offensive team ask what was the ruling. He replies that  because the  PU mistakenly ruled an out on the BR they figured he didn't get an out he deserved and would have easily earned had he just gone to the bag, so the only fair recourse was to redo the play. He also said that he had seen exactly the same play after a video replay at the super-regionals.   

I should say that this was the 2nd game of a DH played in 105 degree weather so that may have been a factor.

Offensive coach has been around the game for decades so when he let this play out without protesting the game it made me question something that I thought I knew. Are there really re-dos in baseball?  What's next, points?

 

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"Re-do" is the wrong word, but they got the right result.

Umpires are supposed to make appropriate adjustments to ensure no team is placed at a disadvantage because of an umpire error. 

The proper resolution is to place base runners and award outs based on the umpire's judgment of what would have happened if the base umpire hadn't changed everyone's actions and status with his erroneous call. 

Note: the changed calls and placement of the runners should have been announced by the umpire who made the original calls, not by the plate umpire. 

Swampboy posted:

"Re-do" is the wrong word, but they got the right result.

As I read the play, they did not get the right result -- they, in fact, had a re-do.

I agree that in FED, the umpires are supposed to decide "what would have happened" -- that's easy for BR, but not so easy for R2.

In NCAA, this call cannot be overturned -- the double play stands (a "catch" to "no-catch" can be changed only if the ball is hit to the outfield -- all runners, including BR advance one base)

noumpere posted:
Swampboy posted:

"Re-do" is the wrong word, but they got the right result.

As I read the play, they did not get the right result -- they, in fact, had a re-do.

I agree that in FED, the umpires are supposed to decide "what would have happened" -- that's easy for BR, but not so easy for R2.

In NCAA, this call cannot be overturned -- the double play stands (a "catch" to "no-catch" can be changed only if the ball is hit to the outfield -- all runners, including BR advance one base)

I assumed Fed. OP says this wasn't a college game--the umpire compared it to a college game he saw, which added to the confusion. 

With a runner on second and no out, it's real easy to decide what would have happened to R2 on a one-hopper to the right side when R2 is running and F3 fields the ball cleanly and runs over to the base to record the putout. You get a runner on third with one out.

JCG posted:

He replies that  because the  PU mistakenly ruled an out on the BR they figured he didn't get an out he deserved and would have easily earned had he just gone to the bag, so the only fair recourse was to redo the play. He also said that he had seen exactly the same play after a video replay at the super-regionals. 

No, he didn't. He was either confused about what he saw or is full of it.

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