Gees...I've exhausted my posts on this subject.
Good luck at running those 6.2's and 6.3's.
i ran a 5.7 the other day.. too bad nobody was around to see it 
lol, Kenny. How about that 2.7 crack-of-the-bat to first?...from the right side!
Guys,
I'll throw my 2 cents in....
I do a little scouting in the Midwest and the fastest player is a kid from Stevens Point, WI named Jake Owens, he ran a 6.42 at Area Codes.
I have also seen Flores....not a chance he is a 6.3...ever...there are only 1-2% of major league guys that are that fast. I would guess he's a 6.6-6.7 kid, which in itself is exceptional...probably puts him in the top 10-15% in the nation.
Beenthere is right on when he says that stats from local showcases often get inflated for various reasons.
The same is true when you hear of every other kid being able to throw 90 or better when in truth there are about 10-15 players in WI, IL, MN and IA combined that can do it consistently. Most guys that are perceived to throw 90 are usually 87-88 kids that get exaggerated by coaches, most of who haven't ever coached a 90+ kid.
I'll throw my 2 cents in....
I do a little scouting in the Midwest and the fastest player is a kid from Stevens Point, WI named Jake Owens, he ran a 6.42 at Area Codes.
I have also seen Flores....not a chance he is a 6.3...ever...there are only 1-2% of major league guys that are that fast. I would guess he's a 6.6-6.7 kid, which in itself is exceptional...probably puts him in the top 10-15% in the nation.
Beenthere is right on when he says that stats from local showcases often get inflated for various reasons.
The same is true when you hear of every other kid being able to throw 90 or better when in truth there are about 10-15 players in WI, IL, MN and IA combined that can do it consistently. Most guys that are perceived to throw 90 are usually 87-88 kids that get exaggerated by coaches, most of who haven't ever coached a 90+ kid.
Blazer-
You're making some sense here and I hope everybody else reads your post. If any HS kid is running a 6.2-6.3 he better join the track team, because he'll be winning a state title.
How many times a year do hear someone ask: "How hard does he throw?" and the response being "90!" Until you've seen 90, don't go spouting off that your buddy throws it.
Again, great post.
You're making some sense here and I hope everybody else reads your post. If any HS kid is running a 6.2-6.3 he better join the track team, because he'll be winning a state title.
How many times a year do hear someone ask: "How hard does he throw?" and the response being "90!" Until you've seen 90, don't go spouting off that your buddy throws it.
Again, great post.
blazer 25,
if you were at area code this year,the kid that
was clocked in the second fastest time[jason
appel]has run a 6.35.i don't know what he ran out there.
if you were at area code this year,the kid that
was clocked in the second fastest time[jason
appel]has run a 6.35.i don't know what he ran out there.
Yobo,
I believe Appel was 2nd fastest behind Greg Golson's 6.31. I'm not sure what Jason's exact time was though. The time I got on Owens was at the Midwest tryout. I think he ran about the same in Long Beach but I wasn't there to see it.
My point was there are few (think like 5-7 HS prospects in the country) that will ever break 6.4 let alone sniff 6.3. Yet people seem to throw that number around like it's nothing. Hand-held time....laser-time...whatever...it just doesn't happen.
Anyone who is comming up with that time on a handheld watch in the Midwest should learn the right way to time 60's.
I believe Appel was 2nd fastest behind Greg Golson's 6.31. I'm not sure what Jason's exact time was though. The time I got on Owens was at the Midwest tryout. I think he ran about the same in Long Beach but I wasn't there to see it.
My point was there are few (think like 5-7 HS prospects in the country) that will ever break 6.4 let alone sniff 6.3. Yet people seem to throw that number around like it's nothing. Hand-held time....laser-time...whatever...it just doesn't happen.
Anyone who is comming up with that time on a handheld watch in the Midwest should learn the right way to time 60's.
If 3.4 is not a good home-to-first time, what is?[/QUOTE]
im not saying a 3.4 isnt good, im saying i would like to race flores because he sounds like a fast kid and i want to know how i match up against him
im not saying a 3.4 isnt good, im saying i would like to race flores because he sounds like a fast kid and i want to know how i match up against him
Dont know the kids you are mentioning but I know Blazer--he has his feet on the ground and knows the game--listen to what he says
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chewy...No one in the Midwest runs a 3.4 to first.
I know not in the midwest, im saying pierre does. Everybody Juan Pierre is home to first in 3.4. theres no argument here, all i was saying is that flores is fast and I would like to race him
this is the scoop on josh.on grass he is consistent6.4_/6.5.he has run 3.9 to first base on many occasions.indoors it can be assumed he runs faster.it is what it is.
Being is and non-being is not...What is, is, and cannot not be...straight out of the Catholic philosophy books.
Welcome back, play.
Welcome back, play.
whats up play, im gonna cause some contreversy for you right off the bat... i remember vividly a phone call in which you told me that flores ran a 6.32 with Tim Graf
Kenny...We all know Josh has talent. His best of the projectible skills at this time, I suppose, is running speed.
Let's just say he runs fast and leave it at that.
I heard and saw a lot of things last summer. Josh was the fastest at Team One at Notre Dame...others from Top Tier, as I said, ran a 7.0 and 7.09. Quick enough, but not the 6.5-6.6 that was reported from time to time.
Let's start talking about everyone whose velocity has increased from 79 to 94 in the last 6 weeks.
Let's just say he runs fast and leave it at that.
I heard and saw a lot of things last summer. Josh was the fastest at Team One at Notre Dame...others from Top Tier, as I said, ran a 7.0 and 7.09. Quick enough, but not the 6.5-6.6 that was reported from time to time.
Let's start talking about everyone whose velocity has increased from 79 to 94 in the last 6 weeks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Being is and non-being is not...What is, is, and cannot not be...straight out of the Catholic philosophy books.
Wow, Been, that is like totally transcendental. Looks as if your son's Princeton thing has enabled you to reach a whole new level of consciousness. Groovy.
Being is and non-being is not...What is, is, and cannot not be...straight out of the Catholic philosophy books.
Wow, Been, that is like totally transcendental. Looks as if your son's Princeton thing has enabled you to reach a whole new level of consciousness. Groovy.
pen...That stuff/sentence is all that I can remember from Philosophy classes taught by Fr. Vancik at St. Procopius College in 1965.
Although I have to admit, we have been "giddy" in this household since the mail came late Tuesday afternoon.
Although I have to admit, we have been "giddy" in this household since the mail came late Tuesday afternoon.
first, the outfield was very soft from all the rain at n.d..two,i hear grass was longer than normal.third,josh had tweaked a muscle just before that.fourth,local vs. national has absolutely,absoluuuutely nothing to do with his time.perfect game still has a 3.9 down the line.fifth,i am not convinced taht electronic timing is the most prevalent method used by organizations vs. hand held.beleive me the time at n.d. is not reflective of his speed.at n.d. he did even run against someone.
Coach,
Nobody is saying he isn't fast. No one even made the statement that he had average major legue speed. I stated that I thought he was a 6.6-6.7 kid which I'm sure you know is WELL below the MLB ave time of 7.0.
What I did say is he's not a 6.3 or 6.4 and anyone who tries to pass him off as that is doing a disservice to his own repuatation and credability as well as bringing a good player into a debate he has no business being brought into.
There is no question Flores can run...there is also no question he's not even on the same track as a Golson, Lubanski, or Juan Pierre....period.
Nobody is saying he isn't fast. No one even made the statement that he had average major legue speed. I stated that I thought he was a 6.6-6.7 kid which I'm sure you know is WELL below the MLB ave time of 7.0.
What I did say is he's not a 6.3 or 6.4 and anyone who tries to pass him off as that is doing a disservice to his own repuatation and credability as well as bringing a good player into a debate he has no business being brought into.
There is no question Flores can run...there is also no question he's not even on the same track as a Golson, Lubanski, or Juan Pierre....period.
Why is everyone looking past the fact that besides being able to run, Josh can hit and throw just as well. All those put together makes him a "real midwest prospect"