Who are the best prospects in the entire midwest....not just Chicago?
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Josh flores gets my pick as one of the top prospects in midwest... ran a 6.32 i believe indoor with Tim Graf, and has a great arm
6.32? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that sounds awfully fast, almost too good to be true. How does that compare to a Juan Pierre?
Im not sure what pierre runs the 60 in, but he ran home to first in 3.4. Its not too good to be true, I would like to race this kid.
Chewy22...you'd like to race who? Flores or Pierre? If 3.4 is not a good home-to-first time, what is?
I heard he did it INSIDE at tim graf's place. and i understand that speed alone doesnt make a prospect but josh has a great arm.. i think it was 86 across the field at the major league begining showcase in lombard
Here we go again.
WORLD CLASS sprinters run 6.3 60's.
I know Josh and I like him and I like his dad, too. I've known the family since about the 5th grade.
Josh is quick and lots of people like him and lots of people don't. He ran a 6.78/60 at the Team One North Showcase at Notre Dame. I think that he did well in the September or October tournament for PG in Iowa. I don't know. I wasn't there.
Welcome to the club.
WORLD CLASS sprinters run 6.3 60's.
I know Josh and I like him and I like his dad, too. I've known the family since about the 5th grade.
Josh is quick and lots of people like him and lots of people don't. He ran a 6.78/60 at the Team One North Showcase at Notre Dame. I think that he did well in the September or October tournament for PG in Iowa. I don't know. I wasn't there.
Welcome to the club.
The websters on this site know a bit more about Illinois players than about any others...We have a few Indiana posters.
I think that Erik Campbell, shortstop, from Indiana, is a hot-shot prospect and did very well at some national competitions.
Don't know where he's committed for college or what kind of student he is at this time. Anyone know?
Best place to get names and numbers on top Midwestern prospects are these two websites: www.perfectgame.org and
www.TeamOneBBall.com
I think that Erik Campbell, shortstop, from Indiana, is a hot-shot prospect and did very well at some national competitions.
Don't know where he's committed for college or what kind of student he is at this time. Anyone know?
Best place to get names and numbers on top Midwestern prospects are these two websites: www.perfectgame.org and
www.TeamOneBBall.com
Beenthereil,
They do have him on record of running the 6.5 at mlb showcase last summer in lombard.. can anyone from top tier back me up?
They do have him on record of running the 6.5 at mlb showcase last summer in lombard.. can anyone from top tier back me up?
The Stevens kid from HC ran a 6.67 last summer as a soph, outside, and I saw with my own eyes.
Was the Flores 6.5 inside or outside?
Was the Flores 6.5 inside or outside?
Kenny,
I'm not disagreeing with you. Josh can run...fast enough.
...but when people start throwing 6.2 and 6.3 60's around...then that is enough.
I remember the "stuff" on this website last year about all of the Top Tier players doing "this and that"...their times were "unbelievable". I commented, "do it at the national level and we'll all believe it".
Well, 4 were at Team One. Josh ran a 6.78 (I believe that that time was the fastest of anyone present at that event.)...7.0, 7.09, were the other relevant times. No one saw the 6.5's across the board as was suggested.
Where is playhard?
I'm not disagreeing with you. Josh can run...fast enough.
...but when people start throwing 6.2 and 6.3 60's around...then that is enough.
I remember the "stuff" on this website last year about all of the Top Tier players doing "this and that"...their times were "unbelievable". I commented, "do it at the national level and we'll all believe it".
Well, 4 were at Team One. Josh ran a 6.78 (I believe that that time was the fastest of anyone present at that event.)...7.0, 7.09, were the other relevant times. No one saw the 6.5's across the board as was suggested.
Where is playhard?
GW..shortstop is thought of as top infielder in Illinois...college and pro people agree..he has the best tools.
beenthere,
im not getting that. what are stop watches timed differently at the national level? how come josh can run a 6.4 or 6.5 at major league beginings but not at team one?
im not getting that. what are stop watches timed differently at the national level? how come josh can run a 6.4 or 6.5 at major league beginings but not at team one?
Hand-held watches all depend on the holder and what he considers a start and finish. The only truly accurate reading would be electronic on a track or something, but I assume those are really expensive, hance why there aren't any around.
Someone can run a time, but it won't always be the same if it's hand-held.
"Baseball players are made in the off-season."
Someone can run a time, but it won't always be the same if it's hand-held.
"Baseball players are made in the off-season."
Bret Harvel RHP Lee's Summit, Missouri recently signed to pitch for Missouri Tigers after he finishs his HS career
Kenny,
Go to a national showcase and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Not a local showcase.
Go to a national showcase, i.e., Team One or PG.
If you run a 6.2 or 6.3 at one of those, believe me, you will likely jump to the TOP of a ton of recruiting lists! Importantly, you will also get some consideration for track scholarships at major universities!
Americas...Perfect Game laser times their 60's. Too, they sometimes post the 30 yard split time with the 60. The time starts when you break the light at the start. Early on, kids figured out that you stayed a couple of yards behind the starting lights and you get a couple of tenths better than before (because you have a "running" start)...Then, they figured out what the kids were doing and began assigning someone to the start line to watch those things.
Go to a national showcase and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Not a local showcase.
Go to a national showcase, i.e., Team One or PG.
If you run a 6.2 or 6.3 at one of those, believe me, you will likely jump to the TOP of a ton of recruiting lists! Importantly, you will also get some consideration for track scholarships at major universities!
Americas...Perfect Game laser times their 60's. Too, they sometimes post the 30 yard split time with the 60. The time starts when you break the light at the start. Early on, kids figured out that you stayed a couple of yards behind the starting lights and you get a couple of tenths better than before (because you have a "running" start)...Then, they figured out what the kids were doing and began assigning someone to the start line to watch those things.
I have seen flores run the 60, and he is amazing. Plus you have to consider he did it indoors, when he ran the 6.7 he was outdoors. He also ran a 6.5 outdoors at a an MLB begining showcase. I believe that he did run a 6.32. You would have to see him run in order to understand why.
I have seen him run and I would say that he has NEVER run a 6.2 or 6.3 outdoors.
There is no doubt that he is quick, but he is not 6.2 outdoors quick.
Hand held, coaches watch, indoors on a springboard surface, he likely can run a 3.21 to a 4.84.
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Fastest kid I've seen outdoors is Kenny Williams, Jr. Those of you that know him, what is the fastest that he's been timed in the 60? Anyone?
There is no doubt that he is quick, but he is not 6.2 outdoors quick.
Hand held, coaches watch, indoors on a springboard surface, he likely can run a 3.21 to a 4.84.
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Fastest kid I've seen outdoors is Kenny Williams, Jr. Those of you that know him, what is the fastest that he's been timed in the 60? Anyone?
A 6.2 or 6.3 hand-held time is understandable, which it would most likely be at a pro tryout, but that is like a 6.5 electronic time
My son has been electronically timed @ 6.68 outdoors . He had the pleasure of playing with Flores at the W.W.B.A. this fall and I can honestly say that Josh is faster than my son . What I can also tell you that Josh is a notch below my son and Williams in his baserunning / stealing .
Gees...I've exhausted my posts on this subject.
Good luck at running those 6.2's and 6.3's.
Good luck at running those 6.2's and 6.3's.
i ran a 5.7 the other day.. too bad nobody was around to see it 
lol, Kenny. How about that 2.7 crack-of-the-bat to first?...from the right side!
Guys,
I'll throw my 2 cents in....
I do a little scouting in the Midwest and the fastest player is a kid from Stevens Point, WI named Jake Owens, he ran a 6.42 at Area Codes.
I have also seen Flores....not a chance he is a 6.3...ever...there are only 1-2% of major league guys that are that fast. I would guess he's a 6.6-6.7 kid, which in itself is exceptional...probably puts him in the top 10-15% in the nation.
Beenthere is right on when he says that stats from local showcases often get inflated for various reasons.
The same is true when you hear of every other kid being able to throw 90 or better when in truth there are about 10-15 players in WI, IL, MN and IA combined that can do it consistently. Most guys that are perceived to throw 90 are usually 87-88 kids that get exaggerated by coaches, most of who haven't ever coached a 90+ kid.
I'll throw my 2 cents in....
I do a little scouting in the Midwest and the fastest player is a kid from Stevens Point, WI named Jake Owens, he ran a 6.42 at Area Codes.
I have also seen Flores....not a chance he is a 6.3...ever...there are only 1-2% of major league guys that are that fast. I would guess he's a 6.6-6.7 kid, which in itself is exceptional...probably puts him in the top 10-15% in the nation.
Beenthere is right on when he says that stats from local showcases often get inflated for various reasons.
The same is true when you hear of every other kid being able to throw 90 or better when in truth there are about 10-15 players in WI, IL, MN and IA combined that can do it consistently. Most guys that are perceived to throw 90 are usually 87-88 kids that get exaggerated by coaches, most of who haven't ever coached a 90+ kid.
Blazer-
You're making some sense here and I hope everybody else reads your post. If any HS kid is running a 6.2-6.3 he better join the track team, because he'll be winning a state title.
How many times a year do hear someone ask: "How hard does he throw?" and the response being "90!" Until you've seen 90, don't go spouting off that your buddy throws it.
Again, great post.
You're making some sense here and I hope everybody else reads your post. If any HS kid is running a 6.2-6.3 he better join the track team, because he'll be winning a state title.
How many times a year do hear someone ask: "How hard does he throw?" and the response being "90!" Until you've seen 90, don't go spouting off that your buddy throws it.
Again, great post.
blazer 25,
if you were at area code this year,the kid that
was clocked in the second fastest time[jason
appel]has run a 6.35.i don't know what he ran out there.
if you were at area code this year,the kid that
was clocked in the second fastest time[jason
appel]has run a 6.35.i don't know what he ran out there.
Yobo,
I believe Appel was 2nd fastest behind Greg Golson's 6.31. I'm not sure what Jason's exact time was though. The time I got on Owens was at the Midwest tryout. I think he ran about the same in Long Beach but I wasn't there to see it.
My point was there are few (think like 5-7 HS prospects in the country) that will ever break 6.4 let alone sniff 6.3. Yet people seem to throw that number around like it's nothing. Hand-held time....laser-time...whatever...it just doesn't happen.
Anyone who is comming up with that time on a handheld watch in the Midwest should learn the right way to time 60's.
I believe Appel was 2nd fastest behind Greg Golson's 6.31. I'm not sure what Jason's exact time was though. The time I got on Owens was at the Midwest tryout. I think he ran about the same in Long Beach but I wasn't there to see it.
My point was there are few (think like 5-7 HS prospects in the country) that will ever break 6.4 let alone sniff 6.3. Yet people seem to throw that number around like it's nothing. Hand-held time....laser-time...whatever...it just doesn't happen.
Anyone who is comming up with that time on a handheld watch in the Midwest should learn the right way to time 60's.
If 3.4 is not a good home-to-first time, what is?[/QUOTE]
im not saying a 3.4 isnt good, im saying i would like to race flores because he sounds like a fast kid and i want to know how i match up against him
im not saying a 3.4 isnt good, im saying i would like to race flores because he sounds like a fast kid and i want to know how i match up against him
Dont know the kids you are mentioning but I know Blazer--he has his feet on the ground and knows the game--listen to what he says
TRhit
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chewy...No one in the Midwest runs a 3.4 to first.
I know not in the midwest, im saying pierre does. Everybody Juan Pierre is home to first in 3.4. theres no argument here, all i was saying is that flores is fast and I would like to race him
this is the scoop on josh.on grass he is consistent6.4_/6.5.he has run 3.9 to first base on many occasions.indoors it can be assumed he runs faster.it is what it is.
Being is and non-being is not...What is, is, and cannot not be...straight out of the Catholic philosophy books.
Welcome back, play.
Welcome back, play.
whats up play, im gonna cause some contreversy for you right off the bat... i remember vividly a phone call in which you told me that flores ran a 6.32 with Tim Graf
Kenny...We all know Josh has talent. His best of the projectible skills at this time, I suppose, is running speed.
Let's just say he runs fast and leave it at that.
I heard and saw a lot of things last summer. Josh was the fastest at Team One at Notre Dame...others from Top Tier, as I said, ran a 7.0 and 7.09. Quick enough, but not the 6.5-6.6 that was reported from time to time.
Let's start talking about everyone whose velocity has increased from 79 to 94 in the last 6 weeks.
Let's just say he runs fast and leave it at that.
I heard and saw a lot of things last summer. Josh was the fastest at Team One at Notre Dame...others from Top Tier, as I said, ran a 7.0 and 7.09. Quick enough, but not the 6.5-6.6 that was reported from time to time.
Let's start talking about everyone whose velocity has increased from 79 to 94 in the last 6 weeks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Being is and non-being is not...What is, is, and cannot not be...straight out of the Catholic philosophy books.
Wow, Been, that is like totally transcendental. Looks as if your son's Princeton thing has enabled you to reach a whole new level of consciousness. Groovy.
Being is and non-being is not...What is, is, and cannot not be...straight out of the Catholic philosophy books.
Wow, Been, that is like totally transcendental. Looks as if your son's Princeton thing has enabled you to reach a whole new level of consciousness. Groovy.
pen...That stuff/sentence is all that I can remember from Philosophy classes taught by Fr. Vancik at St. Procopius College in 1965.
Although I have to admit, we have been "giddy" in this household since the mail came late Tuesday afternoon.
Although I have to admit, we have been "giddy" in this household since the mail came late Tuesday afternoon.
first, the outfield was very soft from all the rain at n.d..two,i hear grass was longer than normal.third,josh had tweaked a muscle just before that.fourth,local vs. national has absolutely,absoluuuutely nothing to do with his time.perfect game still has a 3.9 down the line.fifth,i am not convinced taht electronic timing is the most prevalent method used by organizations vs. hand held.beleive me the time at n.d. is not reflective of his speed.at n.d. he did even run against someone.
Coach,
Nobody is saying he isn't fast. No one even made the statement that he had average major legue speed. I stated that I thought he was a 6.6-6.7 kid which I'm sure you know is WELL below the MLB ave time of 7.0.
What I did say is he's not a 6.3 or 6.4 and anyone who tries to pass him off as that is doing a disservice to his own repuatation and credability as well as bringing a good player into a debate he has no business being brought into.
There is no question Flores can run...there is also no question he's not even on the same track as a Golson, Lubanski, or Juan Pierre....period.
Nobody is saying he isn't fast. No one even made the statement that he had average major legue speed. I stated that I thought he was a 6.6-6.7 kid which I'm sure you know is WELL below the MLB ave time of 7.0.
What I did say is he's not a 6.3 or 6.4 and anyone who tries to pass him off as that is doing a disservice to his own repuatation and credability as well as bringing a good player into a debate he has no business being brought into.
There is no question Flores can run...there is also no question he's not even on the same track as a Golson, Lubanski, or Juan Pierre....period.
Why is everyone looking past the fact that besides being able to run, Josh can hit and throw just as well. All those put together makes him a "real midwest prospect"