Really, really dumb play

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by c09: a very bright kid who just wasn’t all there tonight

Manny did much the same thing but was tagged just before he got back to 1b

Manny didn't need anyone to tell him it was a foul ball, he "thunk it out" all by himself
"just being Manny"



a good rule of thumb:


"tune in" the umps & YOUR base coaches for game input

"tune out" the opposition

This depends on which rule code the game was being played under.

In NFHS rules this is considered verbal obstruction and is treated the same as physical obstruction.

The official interpretation 234 from NFHS says when a defensive player lies and tells a runner that a passed ball was a foul ball, the fielder is guilty of verbal interference.

In NCAA or OBR based leagues, this is legal as players are supposed to be aware of the situation or only take direction from thier own coaches or an umpire.

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by piaa: NFHS says when a defensive player lies and tells a runner

sometimes NFHS thinks too much, as this basicly could NOT happen on a passed ball ...

but COULD on a pick or block of a ball (WP) in the dirt where ya'd have the swing, the puff of dust w/sound of ball in dirt & then add the sound/action of the block/pick

the PU has his hands full in calling that one right & you're asked to also judge if a player 130 ft away can be caught in a fib

so how do you determine if the defender is lieing or honestly mistaken
or
if indeed it was a foul ball?
input from the swing, the batter's reaction & catcher's reaction?

your vision is effectivly blocked by the catcher ...
the sound of the ball fouled off the plastic bat end plug is much like the ball hitting the plate or shin guard

The PU isn't going to make this call, the BU is. It doesn't matter if the fieder was honestly wrong or trying to get an out. The BU is going to call the VO and replace the runner at second.

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Originally posted by Bee>:
sometimes NFHS thinks too much, as this basicly could NOT happen on a passed ball ...

There is *nothing* that *cannot* happen in a youth baseball game

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by MST: The PU isn't going to make this call, the BU is

hmmm, isn't the BU about 90 ft away & moving into position for the anticipated
throw-down/play on the runner stealing?
he'd have less than a 50/50 chance of getting it right

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There is *nothing* that *cannot* happen in a youth baseball game

agree, that's likely why NFHS rules are seldom used outside of hs

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Originally posted by Bee>:
hmmm, isn't the BU about 90 ft away & moving into position for the anticipated
throw-down/play on the runner stealing?
he'd have less than a 50/50 chance of getting it right

you think the BU cannot tell when there's been a passed ball with runners on?

the BU is the only umpire who is going to *hear* the VO anyway. How can the PU hear that when he's watching the catcher run down the passed ball and fans are screaming around the backstop?

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hmmm, isn't the BU about 90 ft away & moving into position for the anticipated
throw-down/play on the runner stealing?
he'd have less than a 50/50 chance of getting it right

No Bee....with a runners on base the BU would already have been in position B or C which is about 15 feet away from second base.........he would be in perfect position to rule on VO.

Thanks all.....piaa you nailed it - I think the young HS player who ran back to 1st is still running poles

I managed a 13/14 Pony this year and I said something about running poles and nobody knew what I meant.